I wouldn't be suprised if they do, 360 games for example all extract to ISO form at a size of about 7.4 gig, no matter if the actual game uses that much data, i bet next gen games will be the same.
Polygon Rumor: Xbox 720 DRM, Achievements, Friendslist, and Share feature info
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I wouldn't be suprised if they do, 360 games for example all extract to ISO form at a size of about 7.4 gig, no matter if the actual game uses that much data, i bet next gen games will be the same.
Yeah but that's DVD- and if you're looking at the ISO, it's got waste sectors from their security scheme (cactus)
I think there is more chance of places like Gamestop getting codes to sell with used games or they have a special site where they can download codes that the customer gets on the receipt or something when they buy a game.
Avinexus
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Its no more out of the norm than the average person wanting to finish the games they play. With the achievement system some people feel they haven't truly finished a game until they have all of the achievements. Just because you feel it isn't normal doesn't mean its the wrong way to play video games.
Maybe you're right but i still expect the majority of games to have filler and shit tht pushes them close to the 50gig limit, unless they do some kind of 'cut down' versions for digital downloads to keep the size smaller although we would still probably be talking about 25+gig.
Well if all these rumours are true then their conference will be about 10mins long then!.
synchronicity
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Indeed. The MS approach is the antithesis of all good things in gaming. May they smolder ever so slowly in the embers of hell.
Personally I've permanently written them off. Sony, Nintendo and PC for me.
Tripp Daily
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Could anybody see a publisher pulling some sort of online drm for a limited time after a game releases and then dropping the dem after a month or two?
I expect something like this to happen before we jump into full online dem mode.
I expect something like this to happen before we jump into full online dem mode.
JCreasy
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after spending this current generation with the xbox360, it doesn't even matter cause im buying a PS4.
They wouldn't need to unless the security of the Durango hardware fails if online activation is required
Goldenroad
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Sure. I want to finish every game, but I don't, but that doesn't mean that I hate games or whatever business drives video games because I don't end up finishing every game I start. Sometimes I just don't get around to finishing them and who cares? What difference does it make? That's all I'm asking.
No, all of the other stuff sounds pretty cool.
No I won't stop. Can't stop.
And yeah, those "seasonal" achievements are pretty scuzzy if they're used for more than seasonal holiday playing type of stuff and you can't grab them later. The fact Polygon is calling it "achievement modification for player behaviors" is pretty telling. Not enough people are playing your online? 2XP achievement and event thrown out!
I'm convinced that the only Online REQUIRED connection is for those who buy the subsidized version with the monthly Live payment.
It is like a cell phone plan, if you don't pay the monthly bill for your subsidized phones they shut off your account (live will be inaccessible)
so you can not play otherwise, how else keep some people paying for their subsidized machine and how else to recoup the subsidy?
You are not necessarily paying for Live although it is included, you are paying for the machine
It is like a cell phone plan, if you don't pay the monthly bill for your subsidized phones they shut off your account (live will be inaccessible)
so you can not play otherwise, how else keep some people paying for their subsidized machine and how else to recoup the subsidy?
You are not necessarily paying for Live although it is included, you are paying for the machine
they mean GAME PLAY behavior, not trying to change people.
It's interactive entertainment and can be enhanced by creating more interesting challenges as they are uncovered
it is not some ominous plot
Which achievements were meant to do since their inception.
I realize that.
Giant Panda
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No, Paul only said that Durango must be Internet connected to use, he didn't know how it was going to be implemented.
Yes it is. It is ruining Achievements for people who like them not being marketing ads.
TheVoidDragon
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I don't have a problem with timed or event specific achievements, as long as they aren't completely unobtainable after it is over. The Halo 3 Vidmaster and Arkham City Calender man achivements were time-related but i am fine with that sort.
I don't have 100% completion in many games but it really annoys me when i see a game that i know i will never be able to 100%.
fi3rypho3nix
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I agree. This makes sense. That combined with TV overlay and data if the cable partnerships ring true.
JimmyRustler
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Hm... would be a smart move from MS to let the publisher decide if they want to use DRM or not...
Many uses and many don't http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Region_Free_Xbox_360_Games
On that list, any game without a NO is region free.
Most sporting, japanese and licensed games have region lock.
And so would SONY/MS telling them to go F themselves and not do this crap, but that ain't happening.
Not to mention it's bonus positive PR for companies like CDPRed who won't utilize it.
I think this shit is inevitable, and leaving it up to the publishers is a lesser evil than making it mandatory.
JimmyRustler
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This debate has been going on far too long now. It was inevitable.
I think it ain't even that bad. That way we will see if this will work or not but it also give pubs the oportunity to go back to the old distribution model if it does not work.
I'm really curious to see if DRM would work on consoles and how many people will support it.
fi3rypho3nix
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I do not agree. I think that they have as much say as the HW makers.
Before you say they do not care about gamers or developers... developers are free to go where they are treated well and gamers vote with their wallet.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
And every song and game ever pirated led to this moment. I bet you are as guilty of that as I was back in my early days. Humans can not help themselves.
You know what would have been fascinating? If Nintendo had held off a few years, and launched the Nintendo whatever (not Wii U) that was as powerfu and easy to develop forl as the Nextbox/PS4, but had NO DRM restrictions whatsoever. That would have been an interesting twist to the usual three-way war that could have possibly changed some things.
I guess so. I guess we all just have to pick and choose what we buy to show if we really are against these things.
I guess so. I guess we all just have to pick and choose what we buy to show if we really are against these things.
This...
The only online achievements should be for playing different game modes and not trying to achieve a specific task which will hurt MP for everyone.
Neuromancer
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God damn it this sucks.
So is it safe to say this is probably happening and there's a fair chance Sony will be doing the same thing?
So is it safe to say this is probably happening and there's a fair chance Sony will be doing the same thing?
I share neither your cynical view on human nature, your history of pirating songs and games nor the kind of thinking that detects a logical connection between the coming restrictions and piracy.
One wasn't going to do it without the other.
MS has a single cert process but a separate cert fee for each region (reasonable, quality cert appears to be the same w/w but content cert isn't.) You cannot manufacture discs flagged as bootable in an uncerted region.
Sony has a separate cert process and separate cert fee for each region, but a PS3 disc that passes cert in any region will boot on any PS3 (but has the option of booting to an angry message telling you you're out of region rather than actual gameplay).
Source is comments from small publishers, particularly Cave, over their decisions to lock or unlock particular titles. Things may have changed since '09 or '10, but it's unlikely they've changed for the better as those publishers have moved back to locked releases.
Ninja Moomin
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the average console owner doesn't even know what DRM is... they have DRM on their phone and ipad... they use walled gardens all the time.
this is being blown up way too far.
most of the people complaining about DRM have downloaded games which they effectively don't own... read the XBLA and PSN terms carefully.
Didnt both also say region locking was optional this gen, and look how that turned out?
Neuromancer
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I can play games offline, watch videos and run most apps on my phone and ipad without an internet connection.
I can play most XBLA/PSN games offline.
So it's not really the same thing at all, is it.
SenjutsuSage
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I'm completely fine with this. It's left up to the publishers.
Its called passing the buck.
They want nothing to do with this shitstorm.
They're leaving themselves an out so they can come out of the toilet smelling like a rose when the first publisher flips the switch on this.
"Bu..bu..but..dont be mad at us guys, we aren't the ones who are doing this. Its up to our publishing partners".
Yeah...but who is giving them the option to do it?
pharmboy044
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I'm really curious how MS will implement video sharing. Hopefully it's not heavily Kinect dependent.
You are?
Will see how they decide to execute 'this' rumoured achievement system. If they just pluck it in as it is, then just... just... why would you do that... Few care about achievements per se, and more about how they reflect on the completionist nature of people. Which is one of the major advantages Sony's system has over Xbox with platinum trophies etc., yet imo their presentation pales in comparison to achievements.
But enough of that. If they just combine everything together, then fuck me. That is one godawful business idea, and fucks up the whole system. But if they separate achievements from some secondary combination e.g. seasonal awards, then that is extremely welcome. While not a console platform, WoW does this extremely well, by including both, a traditional achievement system for everything you do, and awards for multiplayer performance (i.e. the gladiator title for the best ones). I can just imagine myself playing some Forza with the name: HALO LEGEND CIRI.
But enough of that. If they just combine everything together, then fuck me. That is one godawful business idea, and fucks up the whole system. But if they separate achievements from some secondary combination e.g. seasonal awards, then that is extremely welcome. While not a console platform, WoW does this extremely well, by including both, a traditional achievement system for everything you do, and awards for multiplayer performance (i.e. the gladiator title for the best ones). I can just imagine myself playing some Forza with the name: HALO LEGEND CIRI.
LowerLevel
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Or, worse yet, EXCLUSIVITY, for used games access codes for particular venders. "Buy X used and get Y DLC (or 'Rewards Points') free, only at Gamestop". Sounds fishy, I know, but this IS business.
famousmortimer
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I hope sony does something similarly stupid with their trophies because i've finally been feeling like they are a waste of time so the more absurdly broken the system is the more likely I will be able to cut myself off at the teet.
I was really obsessed with trophies for a while. What a goddamn waste that was.
I was really obsessed with trophies for a while. What a goddamn waste that was.
Neuromancer
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The problem is a lot of publishers are dicks.