IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party scandal Now Runs ObamaCare Office.
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Battersea Power Station
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Shouldn't the Obama administration have realized this and immediately replaced her? Or are they going to double down and say the IRS did nothing wrong? If the President doesn't become more proactive to weed out and extinguish this nonsense (more for political reasons than policy) he'll continue to be perceived more and more as:
She was the head of the department, that specifically oversaw reviewing eligibility.
What you do with that information, well, thats up to you. But its a bad look for Obama, regardless if he knew or not.
They did a piss poor job, and were given a job of a lifetime in return.
Again, just a bad look. Ultimately, Obama's administration gave a job to the person responsible for delaying/denying equal rights.... Thats significant.
Shouldn't the Obama administration have realized this and immediately replaced her? Or are they going to double down and say the IRS did nothing wrong? If the President doesn't become more proactive to weed out and extinguish this nonsense (more for political reasons than policy) he'll continue to be perceived more and more as:
it's still possible to not perceive him that way?
Shouldn't the Obama administration have realized this and immediately replaced her? Or are they going to double down and say the IRS did nothing wrong? If the President doesn't become more proactive to weed out and extinguish this nonsense (more for political reasons than policy) he'll continue to be perceived more and more as:
I haven't a slightest clue. My gf and I are googling right now the whole story... we are behind and it just hit today.
- During the campaign the Administration was told about the IRS.
What were they thinking????? This is so abundantly sloppy, I have to wonder if this was a single person that decided to do this to the Tea Party. I love conspiracies, but this one is too crystal clear.
Republicans complained about the IRS not giving them status last year. The investigation proved that the republicans were right.
YOU HIRE THE WOMAN IN CHARGE OF DENYING APPLICANTS TO YOUR FUCKING ADMINISTRATION?
man. This is so thorough, if this is the way Obama goes down, well, it was thorough. A thorough fucking.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
This information is actually a few days old, and there's a bit more fun to go with it. (Caveat: I don't know the reputation of the Washington Examiner, to which I just linked, and which I quote below. Anyone care to disparage it, or is it a relatively reliable source? Based on the language used in the article I've linked to, I'd guess it's a conservative paper.)
Washington Examiner said:
Shouldn't the Obama administration have realized this and immediately replaced her? Or are they going to double down and say the IRS did nothing wrong? If the President doesn't become more proactive to weed out and extinguish this nonsense (more for political reasons than policy) he'll continue to be perceived more and more as:
What has been seen, cannot be unseen. Damn.
Karma Kramer
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This is not looking good for Obama.
Because she didn't authorize the investigations of Tea party groups?
The last I heard of the scandal, only a few low-level employees in the Cleveland IRS office were involved...
Welp, if their story is accurate, and time will show. This is just getting better and better.
And I thought the hearings and Obama's words were live today?
Ahh, do I detect a note of glee?
I jest, of course. But yes, things have looked better for Barry. Par for the second term of a presidency though.
Well.. you could read things.. that say that she was the head of the department. Meaning that the buck stops with her. Meaning that she should be fired.. There are emails about targeting specific words and groups. You can't distance the head of the department. Even if she was unaware, sorry, you're out of a job, and you just potentially took a president down with ya.
This is the person that you give a job to. And as all the information suggests, the administration was well aware. Back in 2010(it seems) still googling.
The Librarian
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So?
Bam Bam Baklava
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Impeach Bushbama already.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I just hope this helps show, if even in a minute way, that all politicians, with so few exceptions you could count them on one hand, are corrupt and/or incompetent.
To say nothing of the egregious drone program...
To say nothing of the egregious drone program...
The Technomancer
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Regardless of the specifics of this situation, that's a meaningless sentiment taken as an idealistic law. By that metric Obama really does deserve full responsibility for anything and everything that's gone wrong in his government that he theoretically "had knowledge of", including Benghazi.
With that said, I'd look at replacing her now that this has come to light.
Karma Kramer
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Let's just say hypothetically, if there is a case that can be made for Obama's impeachment and it happens, this country is gonna dive into the depths of hell.
Too late.
The Technomancer
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We've been there since a black Kenyan socialist was elected dude
jchap
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Judging from today's reaction on the Sunday shows the administration's plan going forward is denial and hoping to let time fix it. It's a dangerous strategy that could backfire massively in a midterm they were hoping to have real momentum in.
I think to look impartial they almost have to let an independent investigator have a go at this. Having their justice department investigate is only going to further the calls of conspiracy.
I think to look impartial they almost have to let an independent investigator have a go at this. Having their justice department investigate is only going to further the calls of conspiracy.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
There are far better reasons to impeach Obama than this IRS stuff (or Benghazi), but Republicans agree with him on those things and the Democrats would never impeach their own president.
The Technomancer
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Watching this unfold has been fascinating. Its a scandal yes. Its bad, yes, and it deserves to be investigated and dealt with. That said, as far as scandals go, its positivily tame.
Nobody died.
Billions of taxpayer dollars weren't wasted.
No-one was really hurt (unless you believe as a result of scrutiny a group that would have recieved the status did not, and I would love to read the details of that)
What I'm seeing so far is symptomatic of a media so desperate for anything to cover, any kind of scandel to grab attention, that something that is bad is being played up as something that is horrible.
Nobody died.
Billions of taxpayer dollars weren't wasted.
No-one was really hurt (unless you believe as a result of scrutiny a group that would have recieved the status did not, and I would love to read the details of that)
What I'm seeing so far is symptomatic of a media so desperate for anything to cover, any kind of scandel to grab attention, that something that is bad is being played up as something that is horrible.
No, we don't really have to do a slippery slope with what I said.. I'm specifically saying the reasons for your own conclusion. Reasons which include the IRS cheating citizens out of their rights. There was an audit, her name came up, shes hired for a job. Yes, She needs to be replaced, and Obama, is ultimately responsible for his administrations choices. This isn't coming from some republican, I'm an Obama supporter. But right is right.
The president, is always responsible for picking people to run their administration. Its the job. And yes, egg is on Obamas face, partially, over benghazi. But, republicans denied the funding for extra security. Full responsibility over people dying? Its not that crystal clear.
Full responsibility in hiring this person to your administration, and not vetting a person in charge of ObamaCare. Not looking into their previous line of work and ongoing investigation/audit? Yes, there is quite a sizable chunk of responsibility.
If this bonuses situation turns out to be true, its just more fuel on top of an already well burning fire.
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And I'm really leaning towards perception of ultimate responsibility Techno.. for what its worth.
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Hopefully people will see a trend developing with the IRS. They witheld information from congress, are running around stealing medical records and cell phones. I do think that the IRS's recent actions, are pretty despicable and unprecedented. - - But if Obama has more of a role in it, dude needs to bounce.
He really shouldn't be getting involved in the careers of individual mid-level civil servants, but unfortunately he's set a pattern of firing people he probably doesn't have the technical power to fire just because the Republicans don't believe in a president who isn't a dictator. I'd expect this official to get terminated pretty soon as well.
Karma Kramer
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lol
Kidding aside, I am kind of serious. If Obama gets impeached because of this, I can see the left go into deep denial that the first black president was impeached. Especially when it would be partly because of the right-wing Citizen United law along with their deep hatred for the Tea Party. Followed by a potential double dip recession or a depression and we could be looking at a very dangerous situation.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Nothing in this post makes any sense.
It's pretty straightforward if you interpret it as an attempt to preemptively call people crazy and dangerous for thinking that impeaching Obama for this would itself be crazy and dangerous.
Karma Kramer
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I agree lol (made some edits).
Again completely hypothetical, but I am worried about our country's political divide coupled with possible impeachment of Obama.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Do you understand the difference between "We should change the law," and "We should disobey the law"?
ask him about lying to congress too.
They impeached the last Democratic president over screwing an intern, so, yeah, the standards for Republican impeachments of Democratic presidents are pretty low.
If you mean could he actually get convicted and removed from office, the answer is not in a million years.
Highly unlikely. If it does turn out that he did know about it and did nothing, or worse yet approved of the plan, it will leave him with one hell of a black eye at the worst time possible.
empty vessel
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It was conservative policy to make the IRS inefficient and resource-deprived, so no.
Impeached? For what exactly? No way in hell.
yepp.. although, I just have a bad feeling that the man may have done something dumb. its a gut feeling.
Because what they are looking for isn't "Are they paying taxes?
It's not a tax return. It's an application to become a nonprofit. They're looking to see how much political activity the group participates in. Whether you're for or against taxes doesn't logically affect how likely you are to engage in political activity.
Aquamarine
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Depending on how much further evidence surfaces that indicates the president may have had a part in this, possibly. But remember now, impeachment doesn't necessarily mean "forced out of office."
All it means is that the president faces a legal statement of his charges and a legislative vote that determines conviction.
Now could the president really get convicted and thrown out of office for this? That looks quite unlikely.
Yeah, that's why I'm saying. Why is IRS investigating a new crop of politically motivated groups, born out anti-tax movements applying for non-profit status that forbid political activities, so wrong.
empty vessel
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It does affect the likelihood that an entity would falsely claim tax exempt privilege. The belief that speech = money and that corporations are people whose political activities cannot be constitutionally restrained is a conservative one.
Half and half
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Oh I see now. IRS scandals as a way to defang ObamaCare.
Unimpressed.
Unimpressed.
empty vessel
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Who, Obama? If you're talking about giving orders to kill Americans without due process, of course. If you're talking about anything having to do with the IRS, no.
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