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[Alx]

what

It never looked like a good deal. You ended up paying more in the long run.

Well, of course you do. Do you think subsidized models exist just to be kind to the customer ? It's a loan, it helps you buy things earlier, but in the end you have to pay interests. That's standard business.

Everyone was skeptical about Kinect too.

True. But I was a strong kinect believer from the beginning.
I think both are very different. Kinect brings something new to the consumer, a different experience from regular games (and you cannot play those genres without a kinect).
Illumiroom brings something better to the consumer, you're playing the same games, but with an added "wow" factor (and you could still play those games without illumiroom, for a more conventional experience).

That's why the reception among hardcore gamers is in favor of illumiroom : they usually don't want new experiences, but improvement on existing ones. On the other hand, regular consumers will more easily spend money for something new, while they'll start counting their beans when asked to pay for something better (if they have something that is functional, they'd rather keep it that way instead of spending more, since it's "good enough").

 

[kingocfs]

Way more interested in Illumiroom then I ever have been in Kinect, hope they roll with it.

 

[Salaadin]

That's a fair reason to be doubtful, but all I want to say is that Mr. Thurrott is pretty spot-on when it comes to his info. Product plans and strategies change, so there's a possibility that he was technically right both times he said it.

Very true.

Tomorrow just needs to get here already.

 

[0xCA2]

what

It never looked like a good deal. You ended up paying more in the long run.

You ended up paying $40 more after 2 years for buying a $500 console for $300.

For some people it's more convenient to pay it off in $15 monthly increments, even it it ultimately costs a bit more. Even if they have it, many can't justify spending half a grand on a console at once. But they can easily justify a lump $300 payment and 15 dollars per month.

Either way, I'm hoping this means that have some sort of $400 SKU.

 

[Pug]

Any updates on the 1.23 teraflops?

Nope, but it will be as the specs already seen.

 

[nbraun80]

what

It never looked like a good deal. You ended up paying more in the long run.

It wasn't that bad. With what people were saying you ended up paying an extra $40. 40 bucks interest over 2 years on what's essentially a 'loan' is nothing. Plus it could leave you with extra money to get more games right away.

 

[Izick]

New avatar, I need a new tag please.

Very true.

Tomorrow just needs to get here already.

Hell yeah!

 

[bidguy]

They showed it on BBC this morning, and Kinect was hanging off the projector scanning the room.

its still in development do you really think its going to look and work like that when its finished ?
but clearly you know something we dont so please enlighten us

 

[Winterfang]

I really want Backwards compatibility in this thing, specially when it comes to my DD catalog.

 

[Family Fry]

Hmmm, opens them up a bit to criticism assuming a standard illumiroom you might buy for your home wouldn't be what they would use as it couldn't handle such a big venue. They could simulate the idea nicely, but it would leave questions.

Yeah literally thought of that. MS are always keen to replicate the house feel of demos and a giant black tent doesn't represent most homes.
Although it would look bloody awesome!

Didn't they say the projector was lower resolution as the effects are only for ambient play alongside your setup, I did like the halo snow effect on the original tech demo.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I just realized this is at noon. Why the hell isn't it at night?

 

[fi3rypho3nix]

Could someone Xboxify my avatar for the reveal?

 

[ArtHands]

What is the possibility of a FF Versus 13 being announced for the next XBox?

 

[derFeef]

I just realized this is at noon. Why the hell isn't it at night?

Coverage.
Timezones.

 

[i-Lo]

Reiko said he expects more, but so far that been completely unsubstantiated.

It's Reiko. The only true thing that can be substantiated about him is his good taste in big breasted women. But for the rest he can be a total boob sometimes

 

[dragonelite]

Hope this happens to one of the presenters if they dont up the specs.

-so i had to do presentation for class
-awkward as ****
-start working out
-not so awkward
-zyzz is my inspiration
-presentation again
-trembling
-just keep telling myself "i'm fawkin zeez bruh"
-get confident
-my turn
-i get up there
-start shaking uncontrollably
-start telling myself "i'm fawkin zeez bruh"
-teacher says I can start anytime
-I start off with "i'm fawkin zeez bruh"
-at this point I'm so nervous I blackout
-"i'm fawkin zeez bruh"
-repeat at least 4 more times
-look around the room, people are saying "why does he keep saying that?"
-girls start laughing
-I pass out
-hit head on the corner of teacher's desk
-minor concussion
-teacher thinks I was on drugs
-classmates call me zeezbrah
-nickname eventually turns into zebra
-i haven't heard my real name in months
-haven't been this depressed in high school

 

[Phonomezer]

I just realized this is at noon. Why the hell isn't it at night?

Don't know. News cycle? (everyone gets home, looks at tv and/or internet "hey there's a new xbox", check it out, etc)

Most people aren't interested in tech reveals that are a day old.

 

[Winterfang]

I just realized this is at noon. Why the hell isn't it at night?

Time Zones and whatnot.

 

[Izick]

Could someone Xboxify my avatar for the reveal?

How's this?

 

[rdrr gnr]

True. But I was a strong kinect believer from the beginning.
I think both are very different. Kinect brings something new to the consumer, a different experience from regular games (and you cannot play those genres without a kinect).
Illumiroom brings something better to the consumer, you're playing the same games, but with an added "wow" factor (and you could still play those games without illumiroom, for a more conventional experience).

That's why the reception among hardcore gamers is in favor of illumiroom : they usually don't want new experiences, but improvement on existing ones. On the other hand, regular consumers will more easily spend money for something new, while they'll start counting their beans when asked to pay for something better (if they have something that is functional, they'd rather keep it that way instead of spending more, since it's "good enough").

Core gamers favor Illumiroom? It seems like an awful gimmick -- at least one with no longevity.

 

[TheKayle]

ma se mi aspetto quel numero e poi la console eccede le mie aspettative è comunque meglio !
scherzi a parte, hai info certe o solo supposizioni?

guys, excuse us, you know Italian gaffers can't help it when they meet on forums

yeah check ur pm

 

[DrDamn]

Didn't they say the projector was lower resolution as the effects are only for ambient play alongside your setup, I did like the halo snow effect on the original tech demo.

I think the strength lies in ambient effects. Anything trying to extend out your field of view with actual information won't work as well at that resolution. It could also attempt to pull ambient effects out of any game, not just those with it defined.

 

[Izick]

Core gamers favor Illumiroom? It seems like an awful gimmick -- at least one with no longevity.

Others (me included) seem to disagree with you completely.

 

[fi3rypho3nix]

How's this?

Great!

 

[m23]

I wonder if you could use illumiroom in any capacity for movies. Has there been any talk of the projector's resolution?

I think in one of the videos they showed how it could work for movies.

 

[Router]

Illumiroom is just going to be part of the "future of xbox" guys, don't go getting your hopes up.

 

[Alx]

Core gamers favor Illumiroom? It seems like an awful gimmick -- at least one with no longevity.

Well, the general reactions on NeoGaf seem to be on the positive side (see messages above), while those for kinect are... well just look at all MS topics of the past three years.

 

[bidguy]

Others (me included) seem to disagree with you completely.

yeah it would work great, especially with games like alan wake

 

[Snakeyes]

RE: 1.23 teraflops

Disappointing. Oh well.

 

[TheKayle]

how many hours?

 

[Phonomezer]

I think in one of the videos they showed how it could work for movies.

Oh, I'll have to go back and check it out again.

Well, the general reactions on NeoGaf seem to be on the positive side (see messages above), while those for kinect are... well just look at all MS topics of the past three years.

Will Microsoft leave the gaming industry?™

 

[SpaceHobo]

Works for cell phones.

With operators making the slimmest of margins.

My phone costs £600 to buy - I pay £720 over 2 years for a handset , unlimited texts , Internet and 15hrs of calls.....

So it's not really a similar model.

Core gamers favor Illumiroom? It seems like an awful gimmick -- at least one with no longevity.

Typical reaction , people have seen something , are ignoring the logic that says it can't possibly work as described and then built it up in their minds as being something it's not.

Queue tears when/if it ever comes out and it's crap for 95% of the population just like kinect.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Others (me included) seem to disagree with you completely.

You're telling me five years from now you are going to be disappointed if Halo 7 doesn't have Illumiroom support? Or that you won't play unless your Illumiroom is turned on? Or that gameplay experiences are made significantly worse without it there? It just screams gimmick. It'll go from "Hey, dude. That's pretty cool" to "Turn that fucking thing off" a few hours later.

 

[Family Fry]

Illumiroom is a cool idea to add effects to play. Imagine racing on PGR5, it's raining and you can see the rain dropping. Suddenly there's a large strobe as a loud flash of lightning lights up your room.
Hell I'm convincing myself about it even more now.

 

[Neander]

Others (me included) seem to disagree with you completely.

Yep, I'd wager that Illumiroom would do to the horror genre what Kinect did to the dance genre. Imagine playing Alan Wake with that?

 

[m23]

Oh, I'll have to go back and check it out again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4hWa6y710

This one, from 4 minutes.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

its still in development do you really think its going to look and work like that when its finished ?
but clearly you know something we dont so please enlighten us

Wait a minute, I just told you how it looked in a TV demonstration today, and now you're the one telling me it won't look like that when it's released.

It seems more like you know something I don't.

 

[statham]

how many hours?

under 27

 

[0xCA2]

Core gamers favor Illumiroom? It seems like an awful gimmick -- at least one with no longevity.

I'm not a core gamer but Illumiroom just doesn't appeal much to me at all. For one, my setup isn't in any way conducive to that. Two, I just want games on the screen.

Maybe it might be big, IDK. It looked kind of cool.

 

[derFeef]

You're telling me five years from now you are going to be disappointed if Halo 7 doesn't have Illumiroom support? Or that you won't play unless your Illumiroom is turned on? Or that gameplay experiences are made significantly worse without it there? It just screams gimmick. It'll go from "Hey, dude. That's pretty cool" to "Turn that fucking thing off" a few hours later.

Pretty much the same can be said about the Rift. Either a game supports it or not.
Either way, they are very different concepts and I always wonder why the Rift comes up as comparison to this.

 

[Izick]

You're telling me five years from now you are going to be disappointed if Halo 7 doesn't have Illumiroom support? Or that you won't play unless your Illumiroom is turned on? Or that gameplay experiences are made significantly worse without it there? It just screams gimmick. It'll go from "Hey, dude. That's pretty cool" to "Turn that fucking thing off" a few hours later.

I can't see the future, but I think you're completely off base.

The demo video with the prototype had me completely interested from the beginning, so if it's better than that I could see myself wanting it in every game going on forward. It's going to add a ton to atmosphere alone.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I wonder if you could use illumiroom in any capacity for movies. Has there been any talk of the projector's resolution?

Yes. See 4:09 here: http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/default.aspx?id=191304


Haven't heard anything about the resolution, but I'm not expecting much.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

The ambient stuff/effects are what impress me most about illumiroom.

 

[cyberheater]

Still no leaks. I'm amazed.

 

[bidguy]

The ambient stuff/effects are what impress me most about illumiroom.

the snow effect looked amazing.
i think this has a lot of potential.

 

[Axispowers]

Still no leaks. I'm amazed.

Came here to see if there were any.

 

[FrankT]

Thread has little time left. Almost at the 24 hour mark. Hype rising.

 

[Izick]

For some reason the thing I'm most excited about is how they'd incorporate Illumniroom into Fallout 4. Even more immersion for a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game is going to be awesome.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Again no way they already decide the price right now,too early

Um, that's not how it works. The price is probably one of the first things they decide and adjust if need be.

Look at the Yukon pdf, that thing was from 2010 and already had a price tag of $299.

 

[farisr]

Well, the general reactions on NeoGaf seem to be on the positive side (see messages above), while those for kinect are... well just look at all MS topics of the past three years.

In comparison with Kinect, yes definitely, reactions to Illumiroom are more positive. But in terms of serious consideration into buying such a thing, I'd reckon it's on the same level due to the impracticality/additional cost of the system.

No doubt in my mind though, if core gamers had the choice, between including illumiroom functionality as a standard or kinect functionality as a standard with the 720, they'd no doubt choose illumiroom functionality in an overwhelming majority.