#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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idlewild_ said:
It's not visible on the front page of r/gaming even though it has more upvotes over a shorter duration than many/most of the posts that are visible on the front page. Just checked and it's not on any of the first few pages, so I think it's safe to assume the mods decided to 'hide' it.
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Why would they do that?
 
Here is a question...

Is Japan in on this? I mean they like to use twitter so it might be beneficial to have those in Japan where the Used Games market is very important help us out.
 
If anyone's interested in what's trending for me:
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Still can't believe we've got it this far!
 
XAL said:
Developers and publishers want a piece of the resell revenue of games (right now Gamestop is getting 100% - reselling the same game mulitple times, which is lowering revenue for the people that made the game), there is no way Sony or MS go back on this.

Sorry. This campaign will not work for either team.


What might end up happening is that there is a resell activation fee on PS/XB online - so the reseller will have to lower the resell price by that amount (be it 5 or 10 dollars) to compensate for the online fee.

But that would imply that both the PS4 and XBO would have to be online to authenticate, which does not bode well for offline gamers (which are none of us posting here).
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You have no evidence for any of this so just stop. Wrong thread for this anyway.
 
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
 
madmackem said:
So we should all just give up and take it in the ass because some guy on a forum said but but but sony will do the same?.
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Accepting reality. You can all fight for your "rights", but unless you're taking sony to court ain't no way they listen. This is about making money...This is about earning a piece of the pie gamestop earn from ripping as all off. If they rot away in the end i'd be very happy actually. I hate gamestop.
 
Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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Console wars/fanboys, serious business.
 
XAL said:
Developers and publishers want a piece of the resell revenue of games (right now Gamestop is getting 100% - reselling the same game mulitple times, which is lowering revenue for the people that made the game), there is no way Sony or MS go back on this.

Sorry. This campaign will not work for either team.


What might end up happening is that there is a resell activation fee on PS/XB online - so the reseller will have to lower the resell price by that amount (be it 5 or 10 dollars) to compensate for the online fee.

But that would imply that both the PS4 and XBO would have to be online to authenticate, which does not bode well for offline gamers (which are none of us posting here).
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Dude what are you talking about?
But that would imply that both the PS4 and XBO would have to be online to authenticate, which does not bode well for offline gamers (which are none of us posting here).
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That's what this whole campaign mean's. DRM is online Authentication. Hence the whole Sim City Debacle. DRM means you can't resell your game because it's code is tied to an actual account system that's tracked. Which would mean you can't A) Resell your game, or resell it to decent credit, B) Take your game to your friends house to play.

That's what is being discussed, it's all Tied together. Letting no used games/ DRM happen means more companies will do it, which is none sense on a closed platform.

If these consoles ran a version of windows, and you could use it as a computer along with a game console, there wouldn't be as much of an uproar. But that will never in the SPACE TIME CONTINUUM happen.

I don't expect to be able to digitally trade in a game a bought on PSN, but a hard copy I expect to be able to, or take it over to a friends house without reauthorizing the game to play on the couch.
 
Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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They can down vote on reddit, but they cant take away peoples tweets.

Screw them.
 
Would be nice if the rest of the games media actually bothered to report on this. Who have we had so far, Destructoid and Kotaku? This is a big deal, right, I'm not just getting caught up in the excitement?
 
Emwitus said:
Accepting reality. You can all fight for your "rights", but unless your taking sony to court ain't no way they listen. This is about making money...This is about earning a piece of the pie gamestop earn from ripping as all off. If they rot away in the end i'd be very happy actually. I hate gamestop.
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OK well you "accept reality" while we voice our concerns as customers and refuse to just take an ass fucking like good little sheep.
 
Toma said:
We know, from insider info that Sony IS considering this RIGHT now. So what makes you qualified to state otherwise? I'd believe in the person I trust a bit more and fight for my rights before giving up.
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Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.

The people that make the game feel as though they are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.

I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.

One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.

Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.

Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.

If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
 
Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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Then this is a two front war!
 
Woffls said:
Would be nice if the rest of the games media actually bothered to report on this. Who have we had so far, Destructoid and Kotaku? This is a big deal, right, I'm not just getting caught up in the excitement?
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Polygon as well: http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/27/4369584/ps4-drm-used-games

In response to the Bonus Round episode, NeoGAF user famousmortimer created a thread suggesting that GAF members tweet Sony employees like president of worldwide studio Shuhei Yoshida and Scott Rohde, PlayStation software product development head. Using the hashtags #PS4NoDRM and #PS4USEDGAMES, they could make their feelings known and potentially sway the company away from DRM.

We've reached out to Sony to find out more about its used games and DRM strategies and will update this article with more information as it becomes available.
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Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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This is beyond stupid.

What the hell, 4chan.
 
XAL said:
Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.

The people that make the game are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.

I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.

One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.

Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.

Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.

If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
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Kindly take this to another thread. This one is about organizing a twitter campaign. Thanks.
 
Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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/v/ could care less. Most of the people in those threads want this DRM on consoles so they can tout "PC MASTER RACE AHAHAH XD"

They are childish and we shouldn't even rely on them in the first place. We've done what we can. Gaming sites have picked up the story and have spread the message. Employees at Sony have heard us. Hopefully they can pass on the message to someone who matters.

Keep up the effort as long as you can. As the day goes on I see this leveling off. All we can do is wait until the 10th.
 
XAL said:
Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.

The people that make the game are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.

I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.

One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.

Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.

Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.

If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
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Exactly, and with this campaign the ball is in their court. They can't plead ignorance. THAT is the point.
 
XAL said:
Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.

The people that make the game are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.

I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.

One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.

Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.

Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.

If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
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Of course there is a chance that it might end in something like that, but its certainly not set in stone yet. All 3 options are bad for the consumer, which is also what people are fighting against. The publishers should have no hands in the used game markets. And considering how some Sony employees are reacting to this atm, I think the chances of YOU getting surprised arent as bad as you think.

But I agree with the others, that discussion is not meant for this thread, as this thread is full of people willing to fight for their rights and not about discussing whether a random poster thinks the time spent on fighting for their rights is worthwhile or not.
 
Zabant said:
There are multiple threads on 4chan's /v/ with intent to specifically UNDO what we're doing here.

I wont link to them in-case it's not allowed but you get the idea. I would have thought they of all people would be against DRM.
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It's not surprising to me that 4chan would act like a bunch of twats about stuff like this just out of spite.
 
famousmortimer said:
Exactly, and with this campaign the ball is in their court. They can't plead ignorance. THAT is the point.
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Ah, so the lobby against authentication fees is just to get them to say that the option is on the table?

I think this whole thing is just to exert heavy pressure resellers to cave in, because S/MS don't care about looking bad because they know people will buy their consoles anyways.
 
Toma said:
Of course there is a chance that it might end in something like that, but its certainly not set in stone yet. All 3 options are bad for the consumer, which is also what people are fighting against. The publishers should have no hands in the used game markets. And considering how some Sony employees are reacting to this atm, I think the chances of YOU getting surprised arent as bad as you think.
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Do yu really think there's a chance that there will be major third party multiplats that have draconian anti-used DRM on one console, but not on the other? Something has to give here.
 
Woffls said:
Would be nice if the rest of the games media actually bothered to report on this. Who have we had so far, Destructoid and Kotaku? This is a big deal, right, I'm not just getting caught up in the excitement?
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To be fair, it's an American holiday today, so not many people are at work.
 
Emwitus said:
Well, i'll enjoy reading the tears on gaf at E3 then
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Why not support what we we're doing here? Yeah it is possible that we will be completely ignored, but it is still important for the community to take a stand and voice our opinions instead of just letting publishers screw us over all the time.
 
Well I will eat crow on how big this has gotten, but does anyone else find the Sony responses a little strange? Everyone mentions "passion" but skirts around the actual DRM issue as if a memo went out or something.
 
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