Professor Beef
Banned
You don't even know what buffs he would get.
Considering the game he comes from, there's only one logical thing he'd get: slowing down everyone except him.
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Considering the game he comes from, there's only one logical thing he'd get: slowing down everyone except him.
An XF that is only a LVL1 would again make the game front loaded. Vanilla was plagued by Wolverine XF1 through your team at the start of the round. They since then nerfed XF1 so that its a strategic move... not a win manuever.
And DMC characters would again rule the cast. If XF was like Dark Force... Vergil would get Nelo Angelo. There are very few things in a DMC game that are actually broken... Nelo Angelo playable is one of them.
And DMC characters would again rule the cast. If XF was like Dark Force... Vergil would get Nelo Angelo. There are very few things in a DMC game that are actually broken... Nelo Angelo playable is one of them.
toddhunter
Member
Capcom doesn't "need" xfactor I agree and it would probably be better without it... But to get the game to the point where it was balanced enough to do without it just isn't going to happen or would be a miracle of good luck. For all its faults, I'd rather have what we have now than a 3 character game.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Kinda want to go to Michigan Masters this weekend but I don't even know what I'd do since I'm terrible at fightgames and I only have PS3 (I think the entirety of it is being run on 360).
Just go and have fun!
So you're saying if someone doesn't play perfectly, they can still lose? Shocking
Karsticles
Member
Read my post!:Considering the game he comes from, there's only one logical thing he'd get: slowing down everyone except him.
Here's another idea, too:
When each character is the last one remaining, he/she can still use assist buttons to create screen effects that are assist-like. This retains the power of assists without the threat of anything becoming too crazy. Examples:
Viewtiful Joe:
Sylvia appears on the screen and fires her gun.
Dormammu:
A tracking Purification pillar appears (so you can call the tracking Purification pillar assist and charge a Dark Spell, covering yourself).
Amaterasu:
Issun drops from the sky and performs a slashing attack.
Storm:
Lightning strikes the ground, inverse-Purification style.
Shuma-Gorath:
A tentacle appears from behind the opponent through a warp portal and tries to grab him/her.
Haggar:
An oil drum rolls across the screen.
This shit is so easy, Capcom! I just one-upped your game design for a comeback factor with two different ideas in the last 20 minutes.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I've been saying TACs are stupid before any of you dummies did.
Its not about playing perfectly its about playing properly. I mean sure if you hold forward against Haggar you are going to die. We are talking about a competitive match here, even a sub par Nova plus Bolts play can soundly defeat the best Haggar player in the world.
I can't remember the fine details, but I'm sure you would expect Nemo to do more than just walk in to Haggar.
I know what happened. It was a long set, Nemo was feeling himself and went in on Haggar. Got clocked because thats what happens when you go in.
Also comebacks in Marvel 3 are easier than Marvel 2 even without XF. Higher damage, strong incoming mix up game, less powerful air run away game and no meter on whiff. A Doom making a solo comeback with no XF is not uncommon at all whereas a top tier making a comeback in MVC2 is much more uncommon.
So if it's agreed that non-XF comebacks are relatively common in Marvel 3, why is XF needed again?
Ragingnight
Member
was gone the whole weekend (catalina trip with friends), so what happen at UFGT? I saw the fanatiq drama about something at UFGT.
Tizoc
Member
Thing is that'd require a lot of trial and error, testing and heck patches to balance stuff out.
I confess that at times I would consider a more simpler option for balancing such comeback mechanics:
UMvC3: Make KFC 1 level only, costs 1 stock to activate and gives an attack bost
SF4: Remove supers, have 3 EX bars, trim down damage of Ultras so they do between 300-400. 300-350 average for easy combo-able ones, 350-400 for non combo-able ones.
if TAC's weren't bullshit enough capcom went ahead and buffed it by letting your take away meters from opponents. seriously what the fuck was nitsuma thinking?
Passive Assassin
Member
Valle wins a tournament.
Nerf Phoenix?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
And then they got dumber two weeks later when the infinites were discovered.
Give me a cookie I deserve one
More common that MVC2 is still extremely uncommon. Doom and Magneto are really the only 2 characters who have the capacity to make XF less comebacks because of their grab game and solo damage plus even then if they are against a Strange, Hawkeye, Dorm, Morrigan its an extremely low chance. In addition a lot of the ways they make comeback is through previous XF usage which netted them a lot of meter so really its hard to gauge their efficiency as anchors without XF.
Even then that's not the point that is being made here. A solo Doom/Mag is never on par with a full team. A solo character is still gimped against a full team like a man with no arms is gimped against a man with all his limbs. XF is a means to temporarily put that solo character on equal footing with a full team so he has a better chance.
Karsticles
Member
I've been complaining about TACs since Vanilla's release. Step back Panda.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah well I've been complaining louder. I think.
I just thought it was dumb when people saw the infinites and went "oh well now the TACs are bad". It's like well, no, they were dumb already.
I just thought it was dumb when people saw the infinites and went "oh well now the TACs are bad". It's like well, no, they were dumb already.
I thought TACs were awful when it was first discovered hit stun isn't reset until you reach the ground leading to the initial Magneto elevator combos.
I will just say for the final comment that I don't completely like nor support X factor. My standing is that in a 3v3 game when you are down 2 characters you need something to offset the tools you lost so that the game doesn't become front heavy. Its a tough solution to come up with, XF is one of them but obviously is not the best solution.
I will just say for the final comment that I don't completely like nor support X factor. My standing is that in a 3v3 game when you are down 2 characters you need something to offset the tools you lost so that the game doesn't become front heavy. Its a tough solution to come up with, XF is one of them but obviously is not the best solution.
Karsticles
Member
Random is always dumb.
That bothered me far less than the arbitrary meter gain. Ultimate made it dumber with meter loss as an option.
SloaneRisette
Member
Fixed.
Being side TAC'd, losing a bar, and then being infinite'd off of it.
Oh there's something worse. Seeing a side TAC work seeing Doom in the second slot and then promptly thinking about how you don't want to be taken on this particular ride.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Nobody calls it KFC.
Lambda Pie
Banned
you know, it's not like there's no alternatives with pure honest fighting.
no bars, no XF, no TAC.
i never played Marvel, never will. only watch EC Marvel, WC is hypeless and lifeless. and yes, the game has reached the point where you wonder what else is on.
no bars, no XF, no TAC.
i never played Marvel, never will. only watch EC Marvel, WC is hypeless and lifeless. and yes, the game has reached the point where you wonder what else is on.
Karsticles
Member
I can't imagine Virtua Fighter being more interesting to watch than a thousand XF3 Vergil mirrors.you know, it's not like there's no alternatives with pure honest fighting.
no bars, no XF, no TAC.
i never played Marvel, never will. only watch EC Marvel, WC is hypeless and lifeless. and yes, the game has reached the point where you wonder what else is on.
Dahbomb proved it. Which reminds me, since Dahbomb is an M.D., it occurs to me that he could also be referred to as being a Marvel Doctor.
you know, it's not like there's no alternatives with pure honest fighting.
no bars, no XF, no TAC.
yesssssssssssss
Parallax Scroll
Banned
You like persona, right?
LordKnight vs Banaken grand finals are worth watching. This is only the last round but it's the best part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v1G_U_t_Ls
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
you know, it's not like there's no alternatives with pure honest fighting.
no bars, no XF, no TAC.
http://youtu.be/nmA2-mw3FBY?t=8s
Tizoc
Member
Ya'all liked calling it that back in its early days.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I didn't, and no one calls it that now.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
No we didn't.
Skisonic's greatest MvC3 contribution was stomping that shit out before it ever gained any traction.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
If anything we should be calling it Popeyes but we don't for some reason.
Karsticles
Member
Hated it, glad it died.
Most people think it sucks and want it to go away, so that makes sense.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
KFC is the Primal Rage of Fried Chicken outlets.
Karsticles
Member
It offends nosey do-gooders to such a degree that they protest it until it's pulled from store shelves?