Topher
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What damage control? Last official word that I saw from Ubisoft was the 2 million players.
VGC: Assassin’s Creed Shadows is the series’ 2nd highest day 1 revenue (best ever PlayStation store day 1 result for Ubisoft; PC 27% activation)
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What damage control? Last official word that I saw from Ubisoft was the 2 million players.
ValiantInstance
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This has to be trolling. Now we're cheerleading for predatory mtx in single player games to own the chuds?
Jaybe
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Isn’t it the only new major game out this past week? That’s like saying Snow White has great Word Of Mouth because it was number 1 at the box office this weekend. And to be honest, I’m surprised Shadows isn’t #1 in all regions given it’s the only new major release this week.
StueyDuck
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Damage control is damage control, It is within the entire ecosystems benefit that this game is perceived to be doing well. VGC and Ubi and PS and all their access partners all need each other and need each other to do well.
the age old adage of where there's smoke there's fire.
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Topher
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Then we can just dismiss all such reports from news outlets as damage control. Nah....I don't buy it.
StueyDuck
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you should...
have you already forgotten Dragon Age the Veilguard which was meant to be a return to form and the best selling game of all time... then it suddenly wasn't
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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These PSN charts are being updated regularly. Shadows was charting at number 3 on PSN US on Saturday, and now it's number 1. It was also #8 in Japan and is now sitting at #3.
WOM is def at play here no matter how much you think it isn't.
Topher
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I mean....if you want to believe there is some conspiracy going on between news outlets and publishers then that's up to you my man. I see no evidence of that.
Jaybe
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Do you have other proof of this great WOM? Please be specific. In a counterpoint, it is falling on the Steam sales charts vs games like a BG3 that held the top spot for weeks. I see Steam user reviews at 81%, which is very respectable and thankfully not a bomb on reception, I just wouldn’t classify it in the “great” tier like you seem to be doing like games that hit 90+ in that metric.
StueyDuck
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it's not a conspiracy, It's business... It's actually pretty common in business. You think the Retailers selling groceries wouldn't want farmers that provide them stock to do well. or the Logisitic companies that deliver the produce to do well.
They all want each other to do well and they want to support each other so that they can profit off each other with agreements and deals etc.
What about movies? Don't you find it obvious that the first round of pre-reviews are always the most hardcore fans that Disney or whoever gives free tickets to a pre screening?
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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The charts themselves that I've posted are the proof that it has good WOM on PSN.
Edit: Alinea Analytics also thinks that Shadows has better WOM on PS than on Steam.
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Topher
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Then these news outlets would do nothing but report positive news but we know that is not the case. That's why I don't buy it.
StueyDuck
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Never heard of XboxEra, windowsCentral, NintendoLife, PlaystationLifestyle.
my man, this is how business works, i scratch your back and you scratch mine.
Guilty_AI
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Where are you taking these charts from btw, i was searching for the psn top sellers but can't find them.
Topher
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This is none of those. This is VGC.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Default sort order is by best selling (revenue not units). Have fun!
Jaybe
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The charts themselves that I've posted are the proof that it has good WOM on PSN.
Edit: Alinea Analytics also thinks that Shadows has better WOM on PS than on Steam.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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StueyDuck
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It can be ABC , FVW, SDPAW, whichever letters you like, if it's business and traffic relies on video games, and access to video game companies, then they will all play ball.
Have you forgotten when Loltaku was Kotaku and got on Bethesdas Shit list and they didn't get review copies.
I'm sure Ubisoft had done the same thing but i can't remember the incident.
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Topher
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All news outlets are bullshit and on the take. Got it.
StueyDuck
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I mean besides your raw emotion, you can't see how businesses would run by trying to work with each other rather than upset the status quo.
how do you think VGC will do if they start burning bridges today? Do you think that would be a financially smart thing for the company to do?
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Topher
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No emotion at all my man. We don't have to agree on this.
StueyDuck
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There is nothing to agree with, it's not opinion-based. Either you understand how businesses work with each other or you don't.
Edit: notice that you never actually have a response to what is said, you just move the goalpost.
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Topher
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Jaybe
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I wonder if some people are not realizing this chart is cumulative sales of the game, not what the game sold incrementally each day so for some reason they think it is growing day after day…
Breaking sales out by day:
PS5
March 20: 420k
March 21: 168k
March 22: 123k (29% of launch day)
Steam
March 20: 214k
March 21: 44k
March 22: 30k (14% of launch day)
Good holds on PS5 but Steam seems to have dropped off a fair amount.
Tbf the 'Steam played a significant role' part is so vague that it doesn't tell us anything that wasn't already a given. 'Significant' could mean 10% or 90%.I am really really confused, because so far "the Steam numbers" have constantly been put across as "not important" in defence of the game, but now we are being told that they are indeed "significant"
But then how is this a huge success?
See the issue? If the Steam numbers are "significant" then this is less of a success than Vielguard, which funnily enough had this exact "THIS IS HUGE RETURN TO FORM BUY IT NOW 11/10" going around on this forum at launch too from specific individuals. Didn't vielguard also hit number 1 on PSN store at launch?
The stats we see don't line up here with what is being said.
I would assume Steam is very comfortably the majority of PC sales, but how many players went for the $18 rental option is harder to say.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I would imagine its pretty normal at launch for Steam sales to be more front loaded on day one than PS5 sales are, but I haven't looked into it.
I wonder if some people are not realizing this chart is cumulative sales of the game, not what the game sold incrementally each day so for some reason they think it is growing day after day…
Breaking sales out by day:
PS5
March 20: 420k
March 21: 168k
March 22: 123k (29% of launch day)
Steam
March 20: 214k
March 21: 44k
March 22: 30k (14% of launch day)
Good holds on PS5 but Steam seems to have dropped off a fair amount.
pudel
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Just a little reminder....
Ubisoft Exec Says Gamers Need to Get 'Comfortable' Not Owning Their Games for Subscriptions to Take Off
Have fun with this "beautiful" company!
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Alandring
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Absolutely. I don't say that sales numbers are bad. I say that a journalist shouldn't just share those datas without explaining them.
STARSBarry
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So here's the kicker, Vielguard was also on EA Play day 1 and sold on its own store + EPIC etc. So its under the same circumstances on PC and we know now that it was a failure, with EA immediately cutting support after release.
So given the circumstances and that the players are lower than vielguard who had all of these same things to contend with, why is this pointing towards a success as a AAA game?
This is literally just following vielguard beat for beat at the moment, which as we know ended in failure after all the "return to form" articles ended after the first month.
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Jaybe
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Yeah I agree and it makes sense, it is just odd that this chart was used as evidence of great user reception driving increased sales
Ronin_7
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If this was the reverse we would've 10 threads & a million news from media saying PlayStation is deadThe charts themselves that I've posted are the proof that it has good WOM on PSN.
Edit: Alinea Analytics also thinks that Shadows has better WOM on PS than on Steam.
Heisenberg007
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Ruining gaming. Assassin's Creed deserves to die and I hope it burns in hell.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Assassin's Creed was and is a console centric franchise, and I personally am not surprised it's performing better there than on PC. I mentioned this before the VGC sales report came to light, and some people were not happy with that.If this was the reverse we would've 10 threads & a million news from media saying PlayStation is dead
I'm not sure why certain people are taking this as a slight against their preferred platform. Just get over it.
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jm89
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A simple fact some people have a hard time accepting.
Retrofluxed
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And Ubisoft did their best to destroy any good will they had built up on Steam with their decisions starting in 2019.
Topher
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I am really really confused, because so far "the Steam numbers" have constantly been put across as "not important" in defence of the game, but now we are being told that they are indeed "significant"
But then how is this a huge success?
See the issue? If the Steam numbers are "significant" then this is less of a success than Vielguard, which funnily enough had this exact "THIS IS HUGE RETURN TO FORM BUY IT NOW 11/10" going around on this forum at launch too from specific individuals. Didn't vielguard also hit number 1 on PSN store at launch?
The stats we see don't line up here with what is being said.
The Steam numbers are referred to as “significant” in reference to PC, in comparison to other stores like Ubisoft Connect and EGS. 27% of total are on PC so the vast majority is on console.
“Significantly, PC activations represented around 27% of total activations, with Steam playing “a significant role” in that performance.”
Either way, I’m not seeing claims that this is a huge success.
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VulcanRaven
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Maybe you are just wanting the game to fail.
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seb85
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I don't , game is fine , I am playing it but I don't like lying media
Topher
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How are they lying?
Nobody should be surprised AC performs better on console than PC. Even the 27% on PC figure seems a little high to me.
What some were suggesting before was that *because* AC performs better on console that the Steam numbers can't be used as an indicator of performance overall, which is not really true.
GHG
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Yep, and based on the numbers we have from Steam along with the fact that they've stated Steam's contribution to overall PC numbers were "significant", it leads me to believe there is some word play going on here regarding "activations".
seb85
Member
They did the same with vailgard hyping the shit out of it and saying the best selling game in the series and turned out it was all lies, game flopped hard and it almost killed bioware
Topher
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The argument I and others made was that Steam numbers are not necessarily an indicator of overall performance. AC is such an example. So we cannot always rely on Steam CCU to tell us how a game is performing overall.
Who said Veilguard was the bestselling game in the series?
Astray
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The amount of collective asspain this game is causing is very amusing to see.
Just admit that the absolute unequivocal bomb you were hoping for didn't happen, it will be easier this way.
Also "significant" can mean anywhere from %30-100, it's really not that deep imo.
Just admit that the absolute unequivocal bomb you were hoping for didn't happen, it will be easier this way.
How is it wordplay exactly? All sales (or subscriptions) attributable to this game involve some sort of activation process happening, be it through Steam or through EGS/UbiConnect.
Also "significant" can mean anywhere from %30-100, it's really not that deep imo.
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