#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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MSNBC lol So what if Keighley is just a MS plant who spread this whole ps4 drm rumor to throw Sony under the bus too, and the whole time, they never had a DRM system in place. hmmmm

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The it failed, because this whole thing has not been a negative backlash against Sony, but rather a positive attempt at opening a dialogue with Sony concerning their possibility of using DRM and blocking used games.
 
MSNBC lol So what if Keighley is just a MS plant who spread this whole ps4 drm rumor to throw Sony under the bus too, and the whole time, they never had a DRM system in place. hmmmm

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a gaf 'insider' (the OP actually) said that he heard they were looking into an offline system to block used games, but after the shitstorm they saw MS getting they decided to drop it.
 
MSNBC lol So what if Keighley is just a MS plant who spread this whole ps4 drm rumor to throw Sony under the bus too, and the whole time, they never had a DRM system in place. hmmmm

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I'm thinking he planted it knowing that Sony was unsure, and would use the fan support to crush DRM on PS4.

He's the unsung hero of Sony.

Someone from Japan-GAF would have to do that since only JP IPs can post on there (and VPNs don't seem to work either so yeah)

They truly don't like the Gaijin. lol
 
Remember this is a positive campaign in a positive spirit. I don't think the comment you left on that article reflects that :/

There is always going to be people who voice a different opinion in this debate. But we should focus on what we are doing and continue the momentum we've built, rather than giving them fuel to put a different spin on things.

Not for me. In my case, it's an ANGER campaign. Anger against greedy publishers. Anger against bad and sucking dicks journalist and bloggers. Anger against corporations who wants to shit over our consumer rights.

I'm not making a Gandhi campaign here. We MUST be anger this time... for once.
 
wtf? he is an asshole because he is does not think like you do?
i'd say he is totaly right.

No, but his condescending tone:

No one at Microsoft or Sony cares about what you post on the forums of your favorite gaming website. I hate to be the bearer of bad news in this regard, but right now the reaction to the possible used game restrictions amounts to a fart in the wind.

Makes him one. Also, this story is blowing up more than any he's written, so if we're a fart in the wind, what is he?
 
Some people believe strongly in their powerlessness.

@OpRainfall got the same criticism. But it's likely that their vocal efforts eventually paid off. So why not let your preferences as a consumer be heard? Isn't that what companies solicit anytime they send out surveys?

If they don't listen you'll still have the option of voting with your wallets. So I'm not sure why it's better to shut up first.
 
Loving the NBC article. But Sony Employees have gone from "Hey, we love you guys and we hear you!!" to.... <crickets>. One can only presume this is because they were all told from high up to STFU. Which leads this negative nelly to believe, Sony Big Wigs want this to all blow over quickly and not having anyone latch on to or hold them to any particular twitter comment/idea/thought that one of their employees publicly muses.

And a flat out "Sorry World but we are going full steam ahead on DRM and cutting out used games" from Sony's camp would be twice the blow them, now in the spotlight as, as it was to Microsoft who has already seemingly gotten away with it.

So it is my thought that Sony is ignoring us now, hoping that (like most twitter campaigns) this will all be over in a couple days, cause they fully plan on going this route. They walk into e3 and feed us some variation of what Microsoft is doing, on account of commitments they already made to Satanic Arts, etc.

IMO At most, we can expect Sony to say the publishers will decide how they want to handle used games, and that Sony themselves are not "enforcing" anything either which way.
But they are not gonna block a publisher from doing it either, should that publisher choose.
How that would work I do not know, but I expect Sony to stay at arm's length, not play the 2nd hand police per se, but they won't be our knights in shining armor either.

That'd be my quess anyways.
 
FWIW, there have been visits from a certain company in Redmond to the open letter.

Though the words are very tuned to Sony, the message shouldn't ring less loudly for MS.

There is no harm in getting on #XBoxOneNoDRM #XBoxOneUSEDGAMES

It could just be an intern who also happens to be a gaffer.
 
Some people believe strongly in their powerlessness.

@OpRainfall got the same criticism. But it's likely that their vocal efforts eventually paid off. So why not let your preferences as a consumer be heard? Isn't that what companies solicit anytime they send out surveys?

If they don't listen you'll still have the option of voting with your wallets. So I'm not sure why it's better to shut up first.

It isn't, but what is better is to ignore those that try to shoot consumers down when they attempt to make their voices heard, especially if they're fellow consumers. All responding to them will do is create an argument and turn an otherwise positive movement negative.
 
Thread title change? Was kinda confused why people were only vying for this for Sony only and not MS as well, when they should be listening more considering they're the ones who actually went forward with this stuff.
 
I'm not a PlayStation nor Xbox fan. If at all I was a Sega one. I loved the Dreamcast and Saturn. Loved the PlayStation. Xbox 360 was my main console and is among my favorite consoles of all time. I favor PS4 this gen, tough.

But yeah, in this case console wars don't matter. Do it. Tell both. Tell the publishers.
 
What publishers do you guys think are the driving forces behind this? Would EA siding with MS be a terrible thing for Sony? If Sony takes a "we'll let publishers decided" approach, who comes out as the bad guy? Would anyone here stop buying battlefield 4 if EA forces DRM down our throats regardless of console?

I sort of agree with that article above in that it appears Sony is letting MS get publically hammered right now for something they're gonna try and sneak in.
 
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https://twitter.com/therealcliffyb/status/339095869028708352

Damn..Cliffy is balding fast
 
I disagree. Some on here seem more than happy to ignore that the One will have anti used DRM so long as the PS4 doesn't not realising that if the One is even a moderate success in blocking anti used games, it will spread like wildfire and Sony will eventually have no choice but to follow suit, no matter how bad the backlash. They'll know people are invested in their platform, so all bets are off at that point.

100% disagree. If MS has ridiculous DRM and Sony doesn't, it will be MS who is forced to buckle under the pressure and change. You really think either of the companies has even a remote chance of success if they block used games and the other doesn't? Please. This isn't like paying for XBL Gold, which up until extremely recently recently was legitimately justifiable. Even the dumbest kid (or the dudiest bro) realizes what it means to not have access to used games. If the PS4 is DRM-free, the Xbone eventually will be too. There's no way around it. The negative press would be unbelievable.

The fact of the matter is MS already stated their intentions. By pressuring them now you weaken our cause by showing a preference towards them and their games. You would prefer that MS drop the Xbone DRM rather than simply buy a PS4 instead. That doesn't scare them! Since you've shown a preference, you'll probably just buy the damn thing anyway and put up with the BS (in their minds). What scares MS is seeing thousands of people rally behind Sony in response to their announcement. THAT is what will get them to change their mind. Fragmenting the already growing PS4 movement just gives MS confidence in their brand.

We had a good thing going here, now I'm not so optimistic. If MS shoots this down then Sony will have an "out" as well. We should have stuck with the original plan.
 
But Sony Employees have gone from "Hey, we love you guys and we hear you!!" to.... <crickets>. One can only presume this is because they were all told from high up to STFU. Which leads this negative nelly to believe, Sony Big Wigs want this to all blow over quickly and not having anyone latch on to or hold them to any particular twitter comment/idea/thought that one of their employees publicly muses.
Eh, what else are they going to say besides acknowledging us? I'm sure after MS's fiasco, the higher ups at Sony told their employees not to say anything related to DRM, etc. I don't expect them to keep tweeting about it or reveal their plans. That won't happen until E3, I'm sure.
 
Yep, Sony is the central target. The company that hasn't officially announced anti used DRM should be the central target. Let's ignore the one that has announced such a measure because that's a lost cause right?

No way to change their mind now right?
Don't assume things about my argument. My stance is that we stand a higher chance of persuading Sony than we do Microsoft, and Sony has yet to make their decision. Combined with the backlash against Xbox One, they are the best chance we've got to convince at least one of them not to use DRM. Did you completely ignore the thread about Geoff or the OP to this thread where famousmortimer outlines that Sony is sitting on it? Rumor though it may be, he's trusted by mods.
 
No, but his condescending tone:



Makes him one. Also, this story is blowing up more than any he's written, so if we're a fart in the wind, what is he?

This guy is definitely an ashtray.
 
What publishers do you guys think are the driving forces behind this? Would EA siding with MS be a terrible thing for Sony? If Sony takes a "we'll let publishers decided" approach, who comes out as the bad guy? Would anyone here stop buying battlefield 4 if EA forces DRM down our throats regardless of console?

I sort of agree with that article above in that it appears Sony is letting MS get publically hammered right now for something they're gonna try and sneak in.

EA has to have been a driving force. They were the only ones to include online passes other than Sony. I can see Capcom jumping behind this full steam as well, but so far they do seem to be strictly in the PS4 camp.

Sony taking the "let pubs decide" approach is possibly the best we can hope for and they have mentioned it and only those that utilize it will be the bad guys. If that does happen, I just won't buy games from pubs that use the DRM system, just as I didn't buy any games with PSN/Online Passes. Until they hit $20 at least.

I'm not buying BF4 regardless, but I would refrain from buying a Mirror's Edge 2 if it has DRM.

Nah, it's great. Funny and gets the hashtag out there. Winwin!

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's probably cause I don't find it funny anymore after seeing it constantly for 24hrs.
 
What publishers do you guys think are the driving forces behind this? Would EA siding with MS be a terrible thing for Sony? If Sony takes a "we'll let publishers decided" approach, who comes out as the bad guy? Would anyone here stop buying battlefield 4 if EA forces DRM down our throats regardless of console?

I sort of agree with that article above in that it appears Sony is letting MS get publically hammered right now for something they're gonna try and sneak in.

Which is partly what this campaign is in response to. Sony are getting theirs now for being too vague.
 
I wonder if the MS approach could be percentage based. So, let's say you want to sell a game in their online store. When you sell that game, MS gets a cut, the publisher gets a cut and you get a cut. Let's say those cuts are 20/20/60 respectively.

But what if MS allowed you to "sell" your game to a specific user for $0. Then the cut of 0 is 0. In this way, you could essentially "lend" your game to a friend by selling it to them for $0. You don't own it anymore (kind of like when you gave them a disc) and no money had to change hands.
 
FWIW, there have been visits from a certain company in Redmond to the open letter.

Though the words are very tuned to Sony, the message shouldn't ring less loudly for MS.

There is no harm in getting on #XBoxOneNoDRM #XBoxOneUSEDGAMES

Since they visited without those new hashtags, then they're clearly hearing it.

And I actually think those new hashtags send the wrong message to those who post them to join the bandwagon. i.e. Microsoft isn't implementing it. Which is the wrong message.
 
What publishers do you guys think are the driving forces behind this? Would EA siding with MS be a terrible thing for Sony?

EA is obviously the one that everyone is going to think of. They had their online pass and then dropped them out or nowhere with no warning while claiming that they'd listened to consumers and that's what helped them come to the conclusion that they have. And then we hear about MS implementing an anti-used game DRM and then a report that Sony's also considering it, and all of a sudden EA's decision makes a lot more sense.
 
Eh, what else are they going to say besides acknowledging us? I'm sure after MS's fiasco, the higher ups at Sony told their employees not to say anything related to DRM, etc. I don't expect them to keep tweeting about it or reveal their plans. That won't happen until E3, I'm sure.

Well yesterday there was freedom to respond, even without really saying much. Today, it's obvious there's been a gag order. And the people at Sony who really matter, are tweeting away about other subjects like none of this is even happening - just ignoring it. They (in my estimation) wouldn't be doing that if the news was good for us.
 
But what if MS allowed you to "sell" your game to a specific user for $0. Then the cut of 0 is 0. In this way, you could essentially "lend" your game to a friend by selling it to them for $0. You don't own it anymore (kind of like when you gave them a disc) and no money had to change hands.

What would stop Gamestop and other retailers from telling their customers that they will offer them more money for their used games if they sell it to them for $0 through Microsoft's system to avoid giving anything to MS and publishers?
 
100% disagree. If MS has ridiculous DRM and Sony doesn't, it will be MS who is forced to buckle under the pressure and change. You really think either of the companies has even a remote chance of success if they block used games and the other doesn't? Please. This isn't like paying for XBL Gold, which up until extremely recently recently was legitimately justifiable. Even the dumbest kid (or the dudiest bro) realizes what it means to not have access to used games. If the PS4 is DRM-free, the Xbone eventually will be too. There's no way around it. The negative press would be unbelievable.

The fact of the matter is MS already stated their intentions. By pressuring them now you weaken our cause by showing a preference towards them and their games. You would prefer that MS drop the Xbone DRM rather than simply buy a PS4 instead. That doesn't scare them! Since you've shown a preference, you'll probably just buy the damn thing anyway and put up with the BS (in their minds). What scares MS is seeing thousands of people rally behind Sony in response to their announcement. THAT is what will get them to change their mind. Fragmenting the already growing PS4 movement just gives MS confidence in their brand.

We had a good thing going here, now I'm not now I'm not so optimistic. If MS shoots this down then Sony will have an "out" as well. We should have stuck with the original plan.

Exactly, very well said.
 
Here's where we stand. I'll update it again in the morning.

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