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[Warm Machine]

It quaint that Microsoft still thinks they can control this message while giving no details.

Microsoft: "Just trust us!"

Everyone: "You're Microsoft, so no."

To be fair the 360 has pretty good DRM and no one really complains about it. They don't have much of a choice if they want a flexible disc format that allows games to be installed to a HDD while still retaining the value of the resale of a disc.

 

[DashReindeer]

Always Online DRM lets you know when your internet goes down.

That's something right?

The first CLEAR benefit of always online DRM in the thread. Microsoft should probably go with this for their marketing...

 

[RionaaM]

To be honest, if Microsoft goes through with it, they'll probably go for a lot on Ebay and be VERY valuable, I'd drop down extra for a Xbox One with no always online requirement.

But... 3 pages ago you said that always online was a benefit for the consumer. What made you change your mind so quickly?

 

[J_Lee]

More spin is all i can read

 

[Syphon Filter]

I'm guessing they haven't hired Don Draper for this campaign.

lmao

 

[Dark_AnNiaLatOr]

Some people can look sexy bald

Walt especially.

 

[Drachma]

"Gamers will learn to love DRM."

 

[Harry Dresden]

So, Speedy Blue Dude is a MS shill right? I've been reading his posts in other threads and it just really screams MS shill.

 

[Nightstick11]

Such as?

 

[jtb]

*sigh* steam is not drm.

then explain the difference.

 

[commedieu]

But... 3 pages ago you said that always online was a benefit for the consumer. What made you change your mind so quickly?

Eh, he just got a fax from Microsoft to update his Neogaf talking points.

 

[jblank83]

List of Advantages (proprietary internal document, do not distribute):

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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$$$$
$

End List

 

[webkatt]

lot of advantages....for them

Damn MS, I love your double speak!

 

[Rebel Leader]

List of Advantages (proprietary internal document, do not distribute):

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$
$

End List

Fixed

 

[DoDonGouki]

You like that gif huh?
But why do you always post the Xbox One one ...

Here, take the superior DRM free 1080p HD 60 fps PS4 jif

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

But... 3 pages ago you said that always online was a benefit for the consumer. What made you change your mind so quickly?

I said it HAS benefits.

I thought I made it clear, I don't LIKE always online, I don't like the DRM, But I will accept them, and I will stay optimistic about them.


I'd prefer if the Xbox One didn't have them, but it does, and I will accept it and, in Adam's Orth words, "Deal with it." I can see why Microsoft made the Xbox One have DRM, and I can see there "justifications" for it.

 

[methane47]

I said it HAS benefits.

I thought I made it clear, I don't LIKE always online, I don't like the DRM, But I will accept them, and I will stay optimistic about them.


I'd prefer if the Xbox One didn't have them, but it does, and I will accept it and, in Adam's Orth words, "Deal with it." I can see why Microsoft made the Xbox One have DRM, and I can see there "justifications" for it.

for Microsoft.

 

[Blueblur1]

I really hope all of you guys who are pissed off about this don't cave in and buy that shitty system.

 

[Arcteryx]

Advantage:

Spoiler

it makes us money

Microsoft: 0
Customer: 1

 

[Warm Machine]

for Microsoft.

For the user.

1. If you count copying disc based games to the HDD for instant play without needing the disc in the drive, that is an advantage.

2. It is also an advantage to be able to download a game you have bought in the store without needing the original disc.

3. That they check at all means that you get the convenience of point 1 and also proves that there is a secondary market possibility. They could have just as well made the discs a useless coaster after the initial verification and totally ignored the used market. Verification is there to prove that the proper owner of the game is playing the game and not utilizing a pirated or stolen copy.

 

[Sloane_Ranger]

I said it HAS benefits.

I thought I made it clear, I don't LIKE always online, I don't like the DRM, But I will accept them, and I will stay optimistic about them.


I'd prefer if the Xbox One didn't have them, but it does, and I will accept it and, in Adam's Orth words, "Deal with it." I can see why Microsoft made the Xbox One have DRM, and I can see there "justifications" for it.

But why when there are other options?

 

[Senor Kami]

Downloading anywhere or throwing like 20 xbla games on a thumbstick has been really convenient for me this gen. I damn sure wouldn't carry 20 discs around with me. My 360 fell over once and ruined a disc. I was able to free trial scam Gamefly into getting myself a working disc, but a simple download would have been a way better and quicker option.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

To be fair the 360 has pretty good DRM and no one really complains about it. They don't have much of a choice if they want a flexible disc format that allows games to be installed to a HDD while still retaining the value of the resale of a disc.

You mean other than what they are doing on the 360? You want to run games without the disc, buy the digital version. You want to resell your game, buy the disc version.

This was literally a problem that didn't need to be solved.

 

[BigDug13]

Downloading anywhere or throwing like 20 xbla games on a thumbstick has been really convenient for me this gen. I damn sure wouldn't carry 20 discs around with me. My 360 fell over once and ruined a disc. I was able to free trial scam Gamefly into getting myself a working disc, but a simple download would have been a way better and quicker option.

And you would still be able to do that whether or not Xbox made you connect to the internet every 24 hours. People are confusing removing the "check online every 24 hours" requirement and actual elimination of features. These things are not tied together. They don't have to remove any features while dropping the 24 hour check.

On 360 right now, you can download a game on your main console, then play it while the machine is offline.

 

[Warm Machine]

You mean other than what they are doing on the 360? You want to run games without the disc, buy the digital version. You want to resell your game, buy the disc version.

This was literally a problem that didn't need to be solved.

It was a problem that needed to be solved. You can't have a library of disc based games on your HDD on the 360 because the disc always needs to be in the drive to play them. I personally find it a hassle to dig out the discs. The advantage is having this instantly available library. That advantage comes with the obvious string of having to validate the install.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Fixed

I knew it was gonna be shane o mac before clicking

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

It was a problem that needed to be solved. You can't have a library of disc based games on your HDD on the 360 because the disc always needs to be in the drive to play them. I personally find it a hassle to dig out the discs. The advantage is having this instantly available library. That advantage comes with the obvious string of having to validate the install.

You don't have to dig out the discs if you just buy the DD copy instead? If you hate digging out the discs, don't buy discs. It's so simple even...nevermind.

 

[Warm Machine]

On 360 right now, you can download a game on your main console, then play it while the machine is offline.

Yeah. This is where MS has done a piss poor job differentiating whether the check is for games sourced from retail or also includes purely digital purchases.

 

[chadskin]

I'd prefer if the Xbox One didn't have them, but it does, and I will accept it and, in Adam's Orth words, "Deal with it."

I'd accept it if there's a *REAL* benefit for sucking up DRM, always-on and so on. If it's just to print more money for MS, they can keep the VCR.

 

[Satchel]

Name ONE!

Discless gaming?

That's a huge one for me personally.

 

[Warm Machine]

You don't have to dig out the discs if you just buy the DD copy instead? If you hate digging out the discs, don't buy discs. It's so simple even...nevermind.

I've stopped buying the discs. That currently means I have to wait for 3 months before a game drops on to GoD.

What do you personally want? The requirement to put discs in the tray every time you play a game or have a library of games immediately on hand?

 

[bishoptl]

How do you know they aren't planning on doing that for the military? Oh that's right, you don't. Nobody does.

 

[Cizard]

I've stopped buying the discs. That currently means I have to wait for 3 months before a game drops on to GoD.

What do you personally want? The requirement to put discs in the tray every time you play a game or have a library of games immediately on hand?

You do realize that the 360 is the only platform that still does this right? Even the Wii U has games digitally available day one. So if you want digital, just buy digital!?

 

[semiconscious]

"There are a lot of advantages! Here they are:

TBA"

if advantages aren't readily apparent, they're likely not really 'advantages'?...

 

[methane47]

For the user.

1. If you count copying disc based games to the HDD for instant play without needing the disc in the drive, that is an advantage.

This is the only true benefit to this DRM.

2. It is also an advantage to be able to download a game you have bought in the store without needing the original disc.

3. That they check at all means that you get the convenience of point 1 and also proves that there is a secondary market possibility. They could have just as well made the discs a useless coaster after the initial verification and totally ignored the used market. Verification is there to prove that the proper owner of the game is playing the game and not utilizing a pirated or stolen copy.

2. Why is this a benefit? Instant play if you have a disc vs 10 hour download on Average broadband. Just take the disc with you. Any scenario that arises from not having the Disc is more likely a one-off event. It will always be more convenient to install off the disc rather than over internet.


3. What is this? The benefit is making the Current process of selling/buying used games MORE difficult and complex? Restricting users to a specific set of stores to make that trade? Meaning that Ebay/Craigslist/garage sales either become cut off? That is your 3rd benefit?

 

[DopeyFish]

You do realize that the 360 is the only platform that still does this right? Even the Wii U has games digitally available day one. So if you want digital, just buy digital!?

What if I want digital but don't want to use 50 GB of bandwidth to download the game?

 

[Meier]

"There are a lot of advantages! Here they are:

TBA"

One and done.

 

[Cizard]

What if I want digital but don't want to use 50 GB of bandwidth to download the game?

Then you're fucked. I honestly don't see the problem. I don't think making discs useless is worth it.

 

[Strike]

I could see why they canceled the post-E3 roundtable. Mess.

 

[DopeyFish]

Then you're fucked. I honestly don't see the problem. I don't think that's worth gimping discs for.

oh, so you don't have a solution?

great thing Microsoft does, though!

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Can't wait for these advantages to be announced in that event that will never happen

 

[RionaaM]

I said it HAS benefits.

I thought I made it clear, I don't LIKE always online, I don't like the DRM, But I will accept them, and I will stay optimistic about them.

I'd prefer if the Xbox One didn't have them, but it does, and I will accept it and, in Adam's Orth words, "Deal with it." I can see why Microsoft made the Xbox One have DRM, and I can see there "justifications" for it.

You certainly didn't make it clear enough:

2) Your Xbox will always be connected and will always be on! You can now always be in the known with your friends, you can now skype while you play! Built in game recording and live streaming! Watch TV while you play, and instant background updates!

That sounds like someone who can't wait anymore to get his hands on this new always-online machine. Those are features that are available right now on current platforms, and without the need to be always connected to the internet.

Good for you if you can accept that. I can't accept it nor be optimistic about a company that is going the extra mile to screw me over.

Everyone can see why MS made the Xbone the way they did: money. They want to control every possible distribution channel, and ensure they're getting paid both by new and used products.

 

[Warm Machine]

You do realize that the 360 is the only platform that still does this right? Even the Wii U has games digitally available day one. So if you want digital, just buy digital!?

Yeah but I mostly game on my 360 so I have to wait. That is beside the point. The point is that buying disc will now give a user the flexibility of digital with the unfortunate but necessary string of the online check. It is 100% required to do that if the upside is the instantly available library. If they didn't offer the library feature they would require the discs. There was only one way forward.

Hell, MS could give you the option on the install if you want the game instantly available or require the disc. They could even give you the option of purely digital, rendering the disc key useless forever.

 

[Joni]

He didn't say the advantages were for us, so he could be right.

 

[Delstius]

"just know that we recognise the importance of that market and we've designed with it in mind from the beginning."

Translation : We planned to screw you since the beginning, we just don't know how to announce it without getting bashed.

Hope for them they'll have enough games to cover their whole mess that keep pilling up since the reveal.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I'm rather curious people who see digital copies of games as a pro aren't complaining about the hard drive size

One thing I like quite a lot about using discs is my hard drive isn't constantly full

500 GB's is nothing when games are 25+ gbs

And sure let me just attach that extra external hard drive to the back of my All-in-one entertainment solution.........

I mean the X1 isn't going to be able to hold all the games I want on it digitally, my whole game library with 500 Gb's

It just isn't going to so I find a digital library to be a moot point

Still going to need the game discs when your HDD is full

 

[DopeyFish]

Yeah but I mostly game on my 360 so I have to wait. That is beside the point. The point is that buying disc will now give a user the flexibility of digital with the unfortunate but necessary string of the online check. It is 100% required to do that if the upside is the instantly available library. If they didn't offer the library feature they would require the discs. There was only one way forward.

Hell, MS could give you the option on the install if you want the game instantly available or require the disc. They could even give you the option of purely digital, rendering the disc key useless forever.

fun fact:

games can be played seconds after install process is started

other fun fact:

disc is used as an install disc if you're desperate for space

 

[Jocchan]

Advantage: customers know in advance they're getting the short end of the stick.

 

[Cizard]

oh, so you don't have a solution?

great thing Microsoft does, though!

Right, you want the advantages of digital without downloading and that's in my opinion not important enough to throw away the advantages of physical. Especially now you're probably part of quite a small minority however. Though I might be underestimating the crappyness of america's internet.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

My god MS.