Do you like what you've seen so far from Wii U's visuals?

So when Nintendo said "New 3D Mario", your mind was just an absolutely blank? You just read/heard that and absolutely nothing came into your head at all? Nothing? Not memories of old 3D Mario games, not even memories of 3D Land? Just a head full of static?

Memories of 3D Mario games, sure. But there's never been an HD Mario game before, so I really didn't know what to expect visually from the new game.

Are we talking about the graphics here? Or are you saying you're disappointed because there isn't a hub world and larger levels?
 
Mario Kart 8 - Amazing, In screens there are some apparent problems but in motion the game easily looks comparable to much of the stuff we saw on the other consoles this weekend. Again, they are going for a specific (non-realistic) style here, which may be throwing some people off when they don't think this game looks that good.
I...don't understand. What are you even looking at?

X looks amazing, but Mario Kart?
 
They're not really eye popping graphics but to be honest, they're clean. So clean that they're pleasing to look at. So good. Unfortunately not enough games for me.
 
I...don't understand. What are you even looking at?

X looks amazing, but Mario Kart?

It looks really good on off screen gameplay videos, even in split screen.

Not the most accurate measure of a games graphical prowess, but it's enough to get across the impression that it's a great looking game.
 
Mario Kart and the X game were both really cool. Mario Kart looked like little toy figurines, the lighting was nice. Though I'm hardly an expert :P
 
So if you 2 agree together, then anyone who opposes you is wrong? Because that is what you are saying, and that is some flawed logic right there. And yes i am playing SRT right now, that and Far Cry 3

You can find plenty of gameplay of the game on www.YouTube.com, just type in Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed in the search engine.
Yes you are right. Even though its not about you.

Anyways look for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3l_qIYKq8U

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=Wq50SPMWPcI

I have sonic racing on 360 too. Mario Kart is on a whole different level. 60 FPS looking like that? Sonic racing not even running 60 on Wii U.
 
You think THAT shits all over this? I mean, I could see preferring one over the other but suggesting that MK8 looks dramatically better than this seems disingenuous.
Yep, pretty much SASR graphic quality. Nothing more.

I would say - nothing really impress me visually, on par with todays Xbox360/PS3 titles. But because of N style, they tend to look better. And we really don't have this style on not N systems, aside from SEGA titles.
 
Remember when Nintendo announced there was going to be a new 3D Mario game at E3?

Remember the game you imagined when they said that?

Compare the game you had in your head to this one.

Notice how the one you imagined was a continuation of Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy with a great new Gamepad-centric twist and stunning HD graphics?

Notice how the one we're actually getting is Super Mario 3D Land HD?

AND THIS IS WHY.

This is a continuation of Galaxy. Galaxy started 3D Mario towards more fixed camera angles (although they were present before) and courses made up of floating linear paths with more of an emphasis on platforming. 3D Land took it a step further in the direction of tight platforming, but the platform it was on hindered it greatly. And now we got this:

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...which is definitely the best 3D Mario has ever looked. It looks even better in motion at 60fps in HD. And unlike 3D Land, the levels look much bigger and more complex; hell, they're more complex than Galaxy, and you have full camera control:

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Everything looks good enough, imo. Nothing really *needs* to go past what I've seen, graphically.

Doesn't mean I won't enjoy games that do, but.
 
It looks really good on off screen gameplay videos, even in split screen.

Not the most accurate measure of a games graphical prowess, but it's enough to get across the impression that it's a great looking game.
It's not a bad looking game at all but I just thought it was rather plain and simple. I suppose it's reasonably attractive but not something I found even remotely impressive. Far from matching some of the other Wii U titles.
 
If Mario Kart and X are indicative of what's coming from the Wii U, I'm happy.

Obviously not going to look as good as Xbone and PS4 games, but certainly good enough for the masses.
 
Memories of 3D Mario games, sure. But there's never been an HD Mario game before, so I really didn't know what to expect visually from the new game.

Are we talking about the graphics here? Or are you saying you're disappointed because there isn't a hub world and larger levels?

I'm disappointed because the art style is so fucking drab, bland and has no balls. It's not even colorful. It's sterile.
 
Absolutely no. Nintendo Direct was the last chance for me, and they failed in every possible way.

I was expecting a real 3d Mario like Galaxy, Retro working on something big and spectacular and not in a 2'5D plataformer. Yes, X does look good, but it's clear that this console is barely above last gen. If even Nintendo can't do good looking games (they do look good but not above last gen) imagine what will acomplish the third party studios IF they have games in the works.

Where is Capcom, Konami, Square, Namco and ALL the western third partys? It's just depressing.

I really wanted to have one, but they haven't given me a single good reason.
 
Yes i like them.I think X will really push the system to its limits showing that the Wii U is clearly more powerful than PS360.

Xenoblade was a tecnical marvel for Wii's standards so i expect nothing less from Monolith's tech wizards. :)
 
The lighting in pretty much all games seem to be spot on. Really loving that, it's a huge part of the clean look of MK / SM3DW
 
Wii U games are good looking enough. But only when there are games.

I mean the Pikmin game that was supposed to be out nine months ago is still not out yet?
 
Remember when Nintendo announced there was going to be a new 3D Mario game at E3?

Remember the game you imagined when they said that?

Compare the game you had in your head to this one.

Notice how the one you imagined was a continuation of Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy with a great new Gamepad-centric twist and stunning HD graphics?

Notice how the one we're actually getting is Super Mario 3D Land HD?

AND THIS IS WHY.

This is the game I imagined when they said there was going to be a new 3D Mario game. The one I've been waiting to see since I was a kid. The game I assume people used to imagine back in the day when they thought '3D Mario'. Man some of y'all are silly.

First off, it's obviously inspired by 3D Land but there looks to be a greater level of thematic liberties and mechanic variation and the levels appear much bigger or at least more expansive and less cramped... to the point where I believe levels will not play out exactly like they did in 3D Land, instead being reminiscent of 3D Land with levels that far exceed what Nintendo attempted on the 3DS as far as length and level layout. I think an apt comparison would be... well, Mario Land vs. Mario World, based on what I've seen so far from the trailer, the direct, and the gameplay vids.
Secondly, 3D Land was a proof of concept for something I feel like Nintendo has needed to do for a while - bridge their 2D and 3D Mario franchises in a meaningful way that won't alienate fans of either. 2D Mario sells obscenely well but it's grown stale. 3D Mario gets better every year, until it bests most games on the market, and still doesn't sell for shit comparatively because a fair portion of the potential Mario fanbase finds the controls and goals of these games incomprehensible compared to the easy to digest NSMB series. And they stated this in an interview or two, signaling that they were looking toward the future of the series with 3D Land's release. I felt like 3D Land excelled at bridging the formulas even if the execution was a little weak in some areas. And while I love me some 3D Mario collectathons it's not the end of the world that that's not what we're getting here. I mean seriously, and correct me if I'm wrong but you're whining because the game didn't live up to what GAF imagined? Be real. That was never gonna happen. It's not like you guys can't wait a little while for the inevitable collectathon anyway considering you got an unprecedented double dose last generation.

It's not so bad that Nintendo is taking the freshest formula reinvention the series has seen since Galaxy or arguably Super Mario 64 and enhancing it plus adding multiplayer on a home console that can actually do this formula justice. It's not so bad that the people who made Galaxy 1 and 2 the fantastic games that they were are trying their hand at reinventing and redefining mainline Mario gameplay. Man, I remember when Mario didn't have to be some epic with sweeping orchestral tunes for the core to accept it or think it's a 'real 3D mario', whatever the fuck that means lmao. That shit looks like it could be very fun and I'm willing to wait and see more before I decide whether or not it's shit, just because its a console 3D Mario where you hit a damn flagpole instead of collecting stars.
 
Mario Kart impressed in video but screens are...really ugly.

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No AA? No AF? The bloom or radial blur is also rendered at lower resolution giving sub-HD jaggies on nearby geometry.

Monolith's game doesn't seem to have AA either.
 
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=Wq50SPMWPcI

I have sonic racing on 360 too. Mario Kart is on a whole different level. 60 FPS looking like that? Sonic racing not even running 60 on Wii U.

Looks good, but i still do not see the "shitting" part, perhaps his definition is different from mine. To me that means that the game looks substantially better, and Mario Kart 8 does not look substantially better than the Sonic game.

Or in your case, "whole different level", those are some heavy words and they do not fit the comparison between these games at all.

But if you think you and him are right, then there is nothing to really debate anymore.
 
Regarding MK8 vs Sonic Racing, here's my take on it.

MK8 clearly has the better lighting and light-bounce (radiosity?), shadows, textures, resolution, and frame rate. I would put in better effects (fire balls, etc.) but that could also be due to art direction, so I'll leave that out.

Poly-count-wise, who knows? They could be similar, they could be notably different. Personally, I don't think we're seeing anything incredibly different in terms of a jump in poly-count, though I'm not discounting the possibility of any jump.
 
I think the internet should immediately embrace 60fps content delivery. No gif or 30fps video does these any justice. I've never been a nintendo fan or had any of their consoles, but I admire their commitment to 60fps, actually I think first party Nintendo games were 60fps even with the not so capable first Wii hardware.
 
This is the game I imagined when they said there was going to be a new 3D Mario game. The one I've been waiting to see since I was a kid. The game I assume people used to imagine back in the day when they thought '3D Mario'. Man some of y'all are silly.

What? Not even close. So far Mario 64 is the closest to that.
 
Its hard to add more detail into Mario and Mario Kart just because of the art style, they look about as good as they possibly can unless they change the entire style, which nobody really wants.

You can't be serious. I want Pixar quality shit out of Nintendo.
 
Looks good, but i still do not see the "shitting" part, perhaps his definition is different from mine. To me that means that the game looks substantially better, and Mario Kart 8 does not look substantially better than the Sonic game.

Or in your case, "whole different level", those are some heavy words and they do not fit the comparison between these games at all.

But if you think you and him are right, then there is nothing to really debate anymore.
Again me and psycho_mantis were addressing someone else about FFXV has nothing to do with you.

Im forming my opinion from gameplay videos of the 2 and my actual experience of owning sonic racing. Gameplay IQ? 60 fps over 30 and better visuals? To alot of people fps is a big deal, its night and day with sonic racing if you own it.
 
What? Not even close. So far Mario 64 is the closest to that.

I guess I see what your saying.

Coming off of Super Mario World I can definitely see how people would have imagined the series transition to 3D as a game where you jump through portals in a hub world to go and collect stars and red coins in nonlinear levels so that you can move on to boss battles where you throw Bowser into floating bombs
 
Mario Kart impressed in video but screens are...really ugly.

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No AA? No AF? The bloom or radial blur is also rendered at lower resolution giving sub-HD jaggies on nearby geometry.

Monolith's game doesn't seem to have AA either.[/QUOTE]

Well, the low quality youtube videos are not the perfect base to judge the graphics of the games.

X and Bayonetta are the only titles on upper/top current gen class.
 
Mario Kart impressed in video but screens are...really ugly.

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No AA? No AF? The bloom or radial blur is also rendered at lower resolution giving sub-HD jaggies on nearby geometry.

Monolith's game doesn't seem to have AA either.

Who cares about screenshots? As long as the game looks good in motion I'm happy.
 
Those are direct feed screens. While it looks better in motion, it's very unimpressive tech wise.

Are there any better videos than on the official Nintendo youtube channel?

The videos do have a very low bitrate. It's impossible to say something technical about the engines and graphics based on these videos.
 
I'm satisfied from what I saw.
I know that Wii U is not a powerhorse, compared to PS4, but the latest games are very pleasent to see.
 
X is incredible, yes.

Mario kart, I'd like to see it in motion before giving a judgement

also, wait, Smash is 1080p? For real? Is there any good source for this? I saw it on Eurogamer but I don't want to see another "Blops2 is 1080p" fiasco.
 
Are there any better videos than on the official Nintendo youtube channel?

The videos do have a very low bitrate. It's impossible to say something technical about the engines and graphics based on these videos.

Nintendo.com Direct Videos, right click on the video and choose 720p 5Mb bitrate or something similar (there's a range of 720p bitrates to choose from).
 
Are there any better videos than on the official Nintendo youtube channel?

The videos do have a very low bitrate. It's impossible to say something technical about the engines and graphics based on these videos.

I'm saying the screens are unimpressive, which do not come from the videos.

They're compressed to hell. No way to judge. Most of us have seen 720p feed on our tv, much better way to judge.

They're not that compressed. Easy to see the aliasing and no AF.
 
I'm saying the screens are unimpressive, which do not come from the videos.



They're not that compressed. Easy to see the aliasing and no AF.

Are you kidfing me? They're VERY compressed. You do realize the jaggies are much more severe cause of the bad compression artifacts around the edges of everything?
I didn't say I can't spot the lack of AA and AF, motion blur and 60fps will make it a small issue as you can see from the high quality direct feed VIDEOS.
 
It looks pertty good. I have a feeling Mario would look a lot better if it didnt have 4 player support as that is much more taxing on the hardware. Mariokart was impressive.
 
I...don't understand. What are you even looking at?

X looks amazing, but Mario Kart?
Looking at reactions on the internet, you are part of the 5%* who are not impressed by Mario Kart.

*I made that up, but clearly you are in a minority and should accept people find it highly impressive.
 
Also:

Super Smash Bros: 1080p / 60fps

Wind Waker: 1080p / 60fps

Mario Kart 8: ??? / 60fps

Mario 3D World: ??? / 60fps

Bayonetta 2: ??? / 60fps

This is much more important to me than any other graphical feature. Sure Wii U is not a PS4 or Xbone, but I feel the graphics are at such a level now that the returns for more power are not so noticeable anymore. I didn't feel like the PS4 or Xbone reveal games wouldn't be possible on 360 or PS4.

Very happy with Wii U graphics so far. Mario Kart and Wind Waker really stunned me. Can't wait. X will be great as well, although that was a lot of CGI.
 
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