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[LAA]

Somehow, I can understand this.
I dont think any company should do a 180 like that, just shows that everything you were preaching about to be the future and the best thing ever was just sort of a lie, or they didnt fully believe in it. Just bad work from microsoft, what made them do this without asking gamers how they'd feel about it before announcing it is pretty insane. Instead of talking to footballers and celebrities to see how they feel, they can talk to the people who may actually have a credible opinion on the matter. I think the XBone could have been cool for the way you could lend games digitally and have all games, even physical games, tied to your account digitally, which is something that would have been cool if PS4 games tied the games to your account, but there'd be some hurdles I suppose to ensure people cant just buy games physically, get the game on their account and sell the game, depends on how they handled...

However, to me, the DRM for XBone was definitely not liked by me, it was a just another killer negative associated with the XBone to me, a weaker, more expensive console, which didnt give me total ownership of my games, required me to be always on, requiring me to pay for a less valuable live subscription for online, a bigger console to find space for and I'd have to suffer with an always on kinect.
No the pre owned block and the always on is gone, which is better... but theres still a few things on the list which just make it a no brainer to get a PS4 to me and I can still think of more reasons why not to get an XBone. Wasnt looking good for Xbox from the start really, they needed to impress me, which they just failed at and revealed how much their company cares about gamers and their attitude towards, well, everyone really, which puts me off them totally.

 

[Arthea]

Seriously?

 

[qq more]

the original xbox one was more forward thinking and different than the xbox 360, ps3, and ps4....now the xbox one is just the same. there is nothing special about it, just a graphical upgrade which is not enough to make me want to buy

lol

 

[NinjaCarrot]

but guys...it's the future!

 

[Screaming Meat]

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Most likely trolls or sony marketing that want xbox one to fail.

 

[netoambrosio]

it's a joke, with joke comments only

 

[Gillian Seed]

This Gen will end up there eventually like it or not.

 

[Creaking]

Most likely trolls or sony marketing that want xbox one to fail.

I work with Sony's marketing division, and this is in fact, what they pay us to do.

Spoiler

no, I don't.

 

[qq more]

Most likely trolls or sony marketing that want xbox one to fail.

are you serious

 

[Bgamer90]

Because two people from MS said this AFTER the 180?? They can say whatever they want now because it is gone. Doesn't help that it was unclear bullshit before the 180 and they wouldn't clarify.

I am just saying take what you read on twitter with a grain of salt. Unless that is, you can show me point blank where MS said it was full games unrestricted without any of the vague PR speak.

Edit: and aren't you the guy who is always touting don't believe what companies are saying until it is set in stone??

It has been said by a decent number of sources that MS had deal with publishers for digital full game sharing.

It's gone now so there's no need for the back and forth.

Hopefully it will come back in some form in the future.

 

[Arthea]

are you serious

you have to admit it's funny idea (><)

 

[twobear]

Why would Sony pay anybody to astroturf when there are legions of frothing fanboys who would do it for free

 

[rvy]

Stockholm Syndrome

They have all seen Titanfall, unlike you.

 

[wizard]

Probably just Roosterteeth.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

are you serious

I don't believe it's sony doing it, no. It could very well be honest devoted fans that want the drm. On the internet there are people who will defend anything (tm).

 

[Kill Your Masters]

"This was to be the future of entertainment. A new wave of gaming where you could buy games digitally, then trade, share or sell those digital licenses.

lol

People still believing 10 people full-game sharing, keep dreaming, that would have never come true.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Yes, you could have full shared games with up to ten people. They removed that when they reversed the DRM.

https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/statuses/348125219019436033

Erm, re-read what I asked.

 

[travisbickle]

It has been said by a decent number of sources that MS had deal with publishers for digital full game sharing.

It's gone now so there's no need for the back and forth.

Hopefully it will come back in some form in the future.

And they decided not to mention that on the information page, but instead write all publishers have the option to not implement game sharing?

 

[bj00rn_]

1. What DRM is on the 360?
2. Why do you need the ability to install disc based games and then throw away the disc when you can just buy the game digitally?

Do you not mind having to connect to the internet for single player games?

1. Every type of DRM you can think of basically, disc based DRM and online DRM. Same on PS3. I assumed this was common knowledge?
2. Well, I have BF3 via Origin which is almost 30GB with patches.. Yeah I downloaded it, but when I start thinking about doing that on all my gaming platforms.. I just think MS came up with a good hybrid solution in that respect.

No, I don't really mind connecting to the internet for SP. I mean, I do have some reservations. I don't think it's necessary to implement it "just because" (like Sim City is a good example there) But I have, hand on heart, never used offline mode in Steam f.ex. (which is my main gaming "platform" these days). But yeah, of course the option is nice to have. And I hope MS can do some a similar thing to that on Xbox One, extracting as much convenience out of what they have after the 180.

I think it's good that people are protecting consumer rights. I'm just saying that what we ended up with is at least less convenient for me, egotistically speaking. And so because this is a discussion forum, I'm simply voicing my opinion like everyone else. And in that respect I appreciate that you're taking your time to challenge me like you do instead of writing knee-deep cheap one-liners like so many others are doing in here

 

[Apath]

1. Every type of DRM you can think of basically, disc based DRM and online DRM. Same on PS3. I assumed this was common knowledge?

Please be specific. I can play my 360 games offline and my discs aren't restricted to being played on a single console. I can sell my games and play used games on the system.

EDIT: The question of online connection wasn't directed at you.

 

[bj00rn_]

Please be specific. I can play my 360 games offline and my discs aren't restricted to being played on a single console. I can sell my games and play used games on the system.

Exactly. The disc has the DRM, not the box (in that scenario anyway).

 

[Apath]

Exactly. The disc has the DRM, not the box (in that scenario anyway).

Huh? I'm still unclear about what DRM the 360 (or PS3) has.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Huh? I'm still unclear about what DRM the 360 (or PS3) has.

You can't simply back up/copy your game disc and play the copy on your console. You can't play installed games without the disc being in the console. This is also considered DRM.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

the only signature

-cliffyb

 

[Despera]

Sign this one instead and do some real good for gaming.

Signed.

 

[Apath]

You can't simply back up your game disc and play it on your console. You can't play installed games without the disc being in the console. This is also considered DRM.

Okay, I see where you guys are coming from then in that regard.

 

[Slygmous]

Exactly. The disc has the DRM, not the box (in that scenario anyway).

I'm unsure of what you're on about here sorry. Are you referring to how you cannot make copies of the disc?
It seems similar to how consoles have always worked.

I can almost understand comparisons to the ps3 with its (very rare) always-online DD games, this doesn't seem to happen often though. I had no Internet for 24 hours recently and happily played digital 360 games I recently purchased.

Edit: it's slow to type on the phone, I see some clarification was posted...

 

[.la1n]

Stockholm Syndrome

Nailed it. Now I've seen everything, Jesus.

 

[Apath]

I'm unsure of what you're on about here sorry. Are you referring to how you cannot make copies of the disc?
It seems similar to how consoles have always worked.

I can almost understand comparisons to the ps3 with its (very rare) always-online DD games, this doesn't seem to happen often though. I had no Internet for 24 hours recently and happily played digital 360 games I recently purchased.

I guess his original point was that since video games have always had DRM, the Xbox ONE pushing the DRM envelope is a non-issue. Correct me if I'm wrong, bj00rn.

 

[bj00rn_]

You can't simply back up/copy your game disc and play the copy on your console. You can't play installed games without the disc being in the console. This is also considered DRM.

Yeah, and a funny tidbit about DRM in that context; when I started PC games back in the day (i don't know, maybe you are as old as me, if so then forgive me..), in the start there was no specific DRM check between the discs(floppies) and the system, but a code wheel, or code book, or codes hidden in the manual, and the game was asking you for finding specific codes, f.ex. "write the word at page 5, paragraph 2, line 6, word number 5", or else you would not be able to play the game

I guess his original point was that since video games have always had DRM, the Xbox ONE pushing the DRM envelope is a non-issue. Correct me if I'm wrong, bj00rn.

In a way, yes. But I think fighting for consumer rights is important, but while keeping the right agenda in place. I'm just saying that for me personally, the PS4 became more interesting after MS's 180 so to speak..




Edit; Yeah, below vvvvvvv those are examples of the dumb-ass one-liners I find annoying

 

[Freshmaker]

Stockholm Syndrome

Or astroturfing.

 

[FYC]

lol

For once we agree Spongebob!

:lol

 

[Ushae]

Your in denial if you think digital isn't the future, but I also think physical will always remain in some form. Their ideas were designed to be future proof, but were poorly implemented and lined with corporate greed (or stupidity even).

Personally I think the feature should be in there as an option, and only for our digital games. It can be done without stepping on any toes. Offline disc baed play needs to stay, it's the norm at the moment and it will be for many years to come.

 

[Aeriscloud]

Thank You who ever did this. Where ever you are. lolol

 

[Astery]

MS fails flat on their face to communicate why consumers will want it, and continues failing to do so to the point they just gave up. MS can try again when they fix that problem.

 

[Omni]

Okay.

In all honesty I'd be down with the once in 24 hour online check if it meant that I never had to switch discs again. It reaaaaaaally wasn't that big of a deal.

 

[Sean*O]

Fang Bangers

 

[Apath]

Okay.

In all honesty I'd be down with the once in 24 hour online check if it meant that I never had to switch discs again. It reaaaaaaally wasn't that big of a deal.

For you maybe. For me, downloading my games that I don't want to use a disc for is not a big deal.

 

[Amir0x]

I see iMax is really working overtime, making petitions now

They never attacked consumers. Consumers were just too ignorant to understand the proposition fully, and Microsoft's poor efforts at communicating the vision just exacerbated things further.

 

[Nervous Sausage]

I have to agree with bj00rn_. Microsoft's original proposal was for the me, the best of both worlds. Buying the game cheaper from retail as apposed to the Xbox store, saving internet bandwidth by installing the disc, no disc swapping, friend and family sharing. So now my 2 options are either swapping discs like a caveman (no I'm not anywhere near close to being fat but I'm always looking for convenience) or paying out the ass for a game on the Xbox store. Seriously, Fuse was $100.00 Australian on the PlayStation 3 digital store and the 360 prices aren't much better. I think Microsoft had a decent plan for the future and now in a few years we're going to feel a bit stuck in the past. The digital future is inevitable no matter how many people want to stick their heads in the sand.

 

[twobear]

If Microsoft have a 'good plan for the future' they can release a disc-drive-less Xbone in a few years time and making corresponding changes to the DRM on that (no 24 hour checkup). No point sacrificing the present on the altar of the future.

 

[artist]

Larry Hyrb REDMOND, WA about 2 hours ago

Hey Gang:

Good to see some community outreach taking place here. Just wanted to mention that we are actively listening to feedback from our users and your comments here are indeed being parsed and I will certainly do my best to share your sentiments with my compatriots and those higher up on the ladder to help inform their decisions.

Kudos to all for being true 'agents of change.' In the darkness a single candle flame can provide the illumination needed to find the path to truth. I am humbled to be surrounded by so many paths of guiding light here.

cheers,

MajorNelson

 

[rvy]

Who hacked Larry's account?

 

[FlyFaster]

Stockholm Syndrome

we're done here/

 

[Joel Was Right]

Stockholm Syndrome

I literally laughed out, thanks

 

[ruttyboy]

I hate all this, "It's the future!" crap. It's a future, but it's not necessarily the future.

Personally I hope people continue to tell the industry to fuck off with their crap futures, until they offer us a good one.

 

[oti]

That's hilarious.

I think Microsoft had some good ideas, such as the possibility to sell/gift your license once - that's really forward looking in the grand scheme of DRM things. But still, the Xbox One... One had to die. Wrong timing, a few years too early.

I wouldn't mind a digital only Xbox One though with better prices overall, no disc drive and that. Options don't hurt anyone.

 

[Delusibeta]

Yes, you could have full shared games with up to ten people. They removed that when they reversed the DRM.

https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/statuses/348125219019436033

False. You could have shared timed demos with up to ten people. If you think that publishers would be happy with Microsoft permitting shared games when they forced Sony to reduce the number of consoles you can activate content on this generation, then you're completely delusional.

 

[Sethos]

Signed.