500 yen in Japan for each character (or 1 mil gold in-game).
Dragon's Crown Thread of Import Impressions and Elf
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LOL. Most people don't have an OLED TV and won't buy one just to play this game. That's my point.
Can someone who beat it tell me what the deal is with
needing runes after you get all the talismans? What?
Great news. I feel better about picking up the game in this case. If it's a 30 hour game with 9 stages I would probably stay far away after Odin Sphere. >_<
Thanks!
thank you so much man, this finally clears things up
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
It's not bad enough to change.....the PS3 version doesn't have a perfect framerate too. Stick with the
superior
You don't need to spoiler that. It's better on Vita. It's what it was designed for, clearly. They made a PS3 port so they can make some money off the game, and that's fair enough.
hokagespit
Member
will it be available for DD day one anyone know?
I thought all Vita games were day 1 digital
Yes.
shiftplusone
Member
Buying both versions anyway
playing 4 players with my friends that weekend but will be great to be able to play on my own at work and stuff
playing 4 players with my friends that weekend but will be great to be able to play on my own at work and stuff
Why is the Vita version superior?
The levels are really short, clearly designed for portability. The pointer on the right stick is just your own finger on the Vita. The touch controls are great. You're used to them the minute they're introduced, they're practical, and if you want to ignore them they don't get in your way.
Sony could've used this as a launch game. It's very much made for the Vita.
Weltall Zero
Member
Are you playing solo or coop? Meaning, is this still the case even playing with people/friends?
Mostly online multiplayer.
There's just not enough content, especially when dungeons are very short already.
hokagespit
Member
i meant ps3 version sorry for not being specific but ill take that as a yes as well
Cheesemeister
Member
Hmm... I seem to be stuck in an elevator in the Magician's Tower. There are gears and a lever that don't react.
Nevermind. I had to hit it with my weapon.
Nevermind. I had to hit it with my weapon.
Same thing happened to me. Thought it was a glitch.
There's a level 99 trophy. And one for beating it on the hardest difficulty.
Storm Chamber
Banned
Yes. This is a Vita game with a console port.
ShinobiMuramasa
Member
I know this has been talked about throughout the topic (I've read all the posts), but I'm still a bit unclear. Does the NA version have Japanese VA options for anything?
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Urgh, how bad is the hardest difficulty? I kinda hate the one in Muramasa Rebirth where it's one hit death.
Facism
Member
urgh i'm out then.
CrazyTank940
Member
Japanese voices for the characters, but iirc the narrator voices are english only.
It's stat based rather than skill based. The level cap is dramatically raised once you unlock a new difficulty, so it's just a matter of doing some more grinding to even it out again.
twentytwo22
Member
Kind of a shame how much grinding you have to do after beating normal mode. I cleared normal mode when I was level 30, and the bosses you need to beat to clear hard mode are ~60.
However, having gone through the A-routes a few times, I was able to get up into the 40s pretty quickly.
Still enjoying it a lot when I can play with friends, though.
However, having gone through the A-routes a few times, I was able to get up into the 40s pretty quickly.
Still enjoying it a lot when I can play with friends, though.
I saw a level 98 Fighter try to solo the final boss and he couldn't do it.
oh wow
That design doesn't work in 3D at all. Whoa.
captainpat
Member
oh wow
Yea, I don't think that's official. Least I hope not.
oh wow
I think this is a garage kit, so not official. There's another Amazon shown at Wonfest, much better (though her hips aren't impressive enough imo!).
After unlocking the multiplayer with Randoms on vita I've been enjoying this a hell of a lot more than I already was. I love the Elf and having her mixing in with the other characters online is great.
I hate how dumb the AI partners you can have are and am incredibly glad playing with randomers (who everyone I've met so far is super nice <3) is avaliable pretty quickly. I just love how I'm not the only person in games who likes to wait to see if everyone is done somewhere before I move ahead.
I hate how dumb the AI partners you can have are and am incredibly glad playing with randomers (who everyone I've met so far is super nice <3) is avaliable pretty quickly. I just love how I'm not the only person in games who likes to wait to see if everyone is done somewhere before I move ahead.
I did after reading this thread. I was really looking forward to seeing the art in HD, but the short levels and quicker touch interface caused me to switch. If the PS3 version had had screenshot support I would've been all over it regardless of anything, though.
Storm Chamber
Banned
oh wow
Oh good god
Can you transfer the saves between the two systems? If so I might double dip.
Yep.
Vita version is the way to go for anyone interested in this game and owns a Vita.
I'm getting both versions. PS3 version for added couch co-op and larger true HD screen.
My only concern is finding people online to co op with.
If it ends up being a wasteland by the time I get the game, is it any fun to play with the AI characters?
3 talismans left before I could fight the last boss, and I already sunk like 11 hours in before I know it. Wanna write some impressions...
I'm a big fan of old-school BEUs and regard D&D shadow over mystara and AvP as the cream of the crop. I used to play these games over and over for years. To me, repetitiveness in BEUs is not a problem as long as they have good level designs, memorable bosses and solid combat mechanics, because I play them with the goal of being able to finish the games on 1 credit in mind.
When I first heard DC has a leveling and enemy scaling system, I was worried b/c BEUs with leveling usually makes a simple replay difficult or more specifically, unbalanced (going back to stage 1 with a high level character = snoozefest) While I'm only level 25 for now and don't know what they have in store on higher difficulties and such to mitigate this, I can see that this is somewhat of a problem for DC as well. Of course, I can understand it is two fairly different design paradigms between a linear BEU against a BEU with a growth system and selectable stages.
to better explain how I feel, the entire "campaign" flows like this:
- you have to play the first 9 stages on route A offline before you can unlock stables for online
- after that, all 9 stages will have their B route available. I was worried that B routes will be exactly the same as route A except the bosses. Fortunately they're a totally different level and have different enemy layouts, except that being in the same area of the world route A and B have the same setting.
- at this point everything on route A will be scaled to level 17 on normal. This is their way of making the game less boring when you need to go back to route As to wrap up sidequests or to grind.
- you have to defeat the route B bosses on all 9 stages under certain conditions (mostly under a time limit) in order to obtain a talisman. After you collected all 9 talismans, you will be able to fight the final boss.
I can imagine once you reach the level cap on normal (35), most stages will become a cakewalk and thus you cannot derive the same level of fun as your first run in subsquent replays. I know the game is not structured like a linear BEU and I cannot expect it to be replayable like one, but boy how I wish they included some sort of an arcade mode!!
I was also a little disappointed to find out there's a lack of special joystick motion moves. To me there is an inexplicable charm to do fighting game moves in BEU games. However battles usually get quite chaotic, and there is enough moves on the movelists to get you in and out of any situation. You could die very easily if you try to just button-mash your way through. At the end of the day, giving players the different maneuver options in combat is what separates the best brawlers from the rest. So in this regard I think the game redeemed itself in my eyes.
One last peeve I have about DC is the loot system. I like loots when they're handed out sparingly enough so that it actually feels satisfying. In this game you get loots at the end of every stage, and on average you will gain 3-5 pieces of weapons and 2-3 pieces of armor. All gears are ranked and limited by levels. The problem is, a level 20 rank B weapon is likely better than a level 17 rank S weapon, even rank B stuff are probably 10 times more common. To put things in perspective, you usually gain enough exp to level up once after clearing 1 stage, so you're also constantly having to micromanage and refresh you gears. This creates a problem where you're never attached to a single piece of your equipment since they're all treated like disposables, and also negates the effect of having a different graphic for different weapons. They might look different but who cares if they lack identity?
Phew that was a long rant. I'm sure I will have more to bitch about after spending some more time with the game, but for someone like me that had been wishing for some sort of spirtial sequel to D&D SOM, this is as good as it gets.
I'm a big fan of old-school BEUs and regard D&D shadow over mystara and AvP as the cream of the crop. I used to play these games over and over for years. To me, repetitiveness in BEUs is not a problem as long as they have good level designs, memorable bosses and solid combat mechanics, because I play them with the goal of being able to finish the games on 1 credit in mind.
When I first heard DC has a leveling and enemy scaling system, I was worried b/c BEUs with leveling usually makes a simple replay difficult or more specifically, unbalanced (going back to stage 1 with a high level character = snoozefest) While I'm only level 25 for now and don't know what they have in store on higher difficulties and such to mitigate this, I can see that this is somewhat of a problem for DC as well. Of course, I can understand it is two fairly different design paradigms between a linear BEU against a BEU with a growth system and selectable stages.
to better explain how I feel, the entire "campaign" flows like this:
- you have to play the first 9 stages on route A offline before you can unlock stables for online
- after that, all 9 stages will have their B route available. I was worried that B routes will be exactly the same as route A except the bosses. Fortunately they're a totally different level and have different enemy layouts, except that being in the same area of the world route A and B have the same setting.
- at this point everything on route A will be scaled to level 17 on normal. This is their way of making the game less boring when you need to go back to route As to wrap up sidequests or to grind.
- you have to defeat the route B bosses on all 9 stages under certain conditions (mostly under a time limit) in order to obtain a talisman. After you collected all 9 talismans, you will be able to fight the final boss.
I can imagine once you reach the level cap on normal (35), most stages will become a cakewalk and thus you cannot derive the same level of fun as your first run in subsquent replays. I know the game is not structured like a linear BEU and I cannot expect it to be replayable like one, but boy how I wish they included some sort of an arcade mode!!
I was also a little disappointed to find out there's a lack of special joystick motion moves. To me there is an inexplicable charm to do fighting game moves in BEU games. However battles usually get quite chaotic, and there is enough moves on the movelists to get you in and out of any situation. You could die very easily if you try to just button-mash your way through. At the end of the day, giving players the different maneuver options in combat is what separates the best brawlers from the rest. So in this regard I think the game redeemed itself in my eyes.
One last peeve I have about DC is the loot system. I like loots when they're handed out sparingly enough so that it actually feels satisfying. In this game you get loots at the end of every stage, and on average you will gain 3-5 pieces of weapons and 2-3 pieces of armor. All gears are ranked and limited by levels. The problem is, a level 20 rank B weapon is likely better than a level 17 rank S weapon, even rank B stuff are probably 10 times more common. To put things in perspective, you usually gain enough exp to level up once after clearing 1 stage, so you're also constantly having to micromanage and refresh you gears. This creates a problem where you're never attached to a single piece of your equipment since they're all treated like disposables, and also negates the effect of having a different graphic for different weapons. They might look different but who cares if they lack identity?
Phew that was a long rant. I'm sure I will have more to bitch about after spending some more time with the game, but for someone like me that had been wishing for some sort of spirtial sequel to D&D SOM, this is as good as it gets.
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