narcosis219
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Btw, don't ever use power levels as a metric. They are absolute garbage.
So, just how strong is Piccolo?
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Vulcano's assistant
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He's pretty much the strongest being of his species by a landslide, but he is also 3 individuals at once.
This needs to be made.
But don't they all hold back? Well, except for Vegeta.
CrocMother
Banned
The moment he fused with Kami I think he was the strongest person on Earth..for few episodes at least.
If he could have killed Cell right there he should have just gone and offed everyone else lol.
If he could have killed Cell right there he should have just gone and offed everyone else lol.
Part of that is because the pace is lower in the anime and they add a bunch of filler in most fights. Most of the fights were actually more clever than people give it credit for.
It's pretty obvious by anyone watching the series, but didn't know Toriyama felt the same way, lol.
I mean, all those deaths must have gave him a bit of extra power every time he revived or something.
I'd say yes. He's an overlooked character but he managed to keep up a fight with Goku. Granted, it wasn't a serious fight or anything of the sort, but he was a good support piece for that enemy they fight in the movie.
Pretty sure Pikkon's just a filler character. But Toriyama kinda screwed up with Pikkon as at one point he effortlessly beats Cell in Hell but then he fights evenly with Goku at the Otherworld tournament even though Goku didn't stand a chance against Cell at that point. I'd honestly say Pikkon > Piccolo but that's just my opinion.
Beaniedude
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Tenshinhan is the GOAT. A miserable human that manages to keep Cell's second form at bay for a while
Oh lord, I love that bit so much,
I can just imagine Tien's thought process.
"Wait... instead of waiting for the dust to settle to see if I killed him or not... why don't I just, you know, fire off another one? And hey, while I'm here I may as well fire off another one. Oh what the hay I'll just keep on going."
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That was only Tienshinhan's moment.
He's still crap vs Krillin though.
He's still crap vs Krillin though.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Dragonball - Slightly weaker than Goku
After 5 years of training - Arguably a little stronger than Goku, but weaker than Goku's brother
After 1 year of training for the Saiyans - Way weaker than Goku
Post King Kai Meditation and Nail Fusion - Waaaaay weaker than Goku
Post Kami fusion - Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay weaker than Goku
Everything afterwards - Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay weaker than Goku
That's how strong Piccolo is. Pretty much every powerup he had in DBZ resulted in an exponentially higher powerup for Goku.
After 5 years of training - Arguably a little stronger than Goku, but weaker than Goku's brother
After 1 year of training for the Saiyans - Way weaker than Goku
Post King Kai Meditation and Nail Fusion - Waaaaay weaker than Goku
Post Kami fusion - Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay weaker than Goku
Everything afterwards - Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay weaker than Goku
That's how strong Piccolo is. Pretty much every powerup he had in DBZ resulted in an exponentially higher powerup for Goku.
friskykillface
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Tien was the best, he hit kid boo B^)
lol at that driving test episode of Z, much better the goku protecting egg filler episode.
lol at that driving test episode of Z, much better the goku protecting egg filler episode.
Phaethon0017
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That was the weirdest thing to me. Pikkon kicking Cell around like SSJ2 Gohan, and then Goku fighting him without even going SSJ at first.
I'm operating under the assumption that Tien was stronger up until the point Krillin had his potential unlocked by the guru on Namek.
Slayer-33
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A Tien potential unlocked would have been awesome
CrocMother
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Tien post-King Kai was stronger I think..Krillin got owned by Ginyu Force but after they died and fought the earthlings at King Kai's...
You know the older I get the harder it is for me to actually argue this stuff haha
Sho_Nuff82
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Krillin's attacks had literally no effect on Stage 2 imperfect Cell, Tien bodied him for like 15 minutes. Would've been impossible if he maxed where Krillin did, which was about 20,000.
TheGravemind
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Goku could have exceed super trunks in power but he choose not. He explain that to gohan in the time room
To be honest, i'm not sure. As someone said, Pikkon beats Freiza and Cell with ease, but has a good match with Goku. I'm not convinced Goku gave it his all in their fight.
Piccolo had a good match against Android 17. But the Androids are weaker than Semiperfect Cell, who then gets beat down by Vegeta. I'd say Vegeta and Goku are around the same at that point.
So if Pikkon and Goku can have a somewhat even match.
That would mean Pikkon could be stronger then Piccolo.
Is Piccolo training the 7 years after the Cell saga? They could be closer after that point.
Did Krillin even get an attack off on Stage 2 Cell? The only attack I recall Krillin doing on Cell post Stage 1 was when he used Destructo Disc on Perfect Cell.
Barack Lesnar
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I remember watching this when I was younger and loved it. I stopped (or the show stopped, Idk) a little after Frieza died and Cell appeared. Still hold up or what?
Sho_Nuff82
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When Vegeta went pure moron and allowed Cell to absorb 18, Krillin tried to protect her. It went about as well as you'd expect. Notably, this was after Cell had already been kicked around by Tien, Vegeta, and Trunks.
If we are not counting DBGT I would say Tien was the strongest human. Krillin stopped training once he had a kid yet Tien most likely kept going. If we are counting DBGT then I think Uub counts. He may be a reincarnation of Buu but he is still human and after Buu murged with him he could easily be as strong as SSj2 Goku.
Was Nail stronger than Piccolo when they first met? No idea
Bomber Bob
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OMG
Stevetopsy
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Piccolo was a jobber. He would always come in like a bad ass and knock some guys around, the get his ass handed to him with ease by whoever the big bad was.
Trojita
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He never killed Goku after he attained Kaioken.
Good catch, I forgot about that. Still, he would have ended being stronger than Tien in the end, I think.
Also, sorry if my memory is spotty, but aside from Vegeta's tail, did his cutting disc thing power ever hit anything else?
velociraptor
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Sounds like Vegeta to me.
And he kept Vegeta down because he just hated him. Fuck you Toriyama!
Audience didn't like him, IIRC.
I know I didn't. That's why Goku was brought back into the action.
Gohan suuuucks man.
Poor Vegeta. He never got to take down a main bad guy.
Stronger than humans, weaker than Saiyans.
Technically he did.
Vegeta: Beaten by Goku, Gohan, Krillin, & Yajirobe.
Frieza: Beaten by Frieza
Cell: Beaten by Goku & Gohan
Buu: Beaten by Goku, Vegeta, Hercule & Mr. Buuu.
Technically he did.
Vegeta: Beaten by Goku, Gohan, Krillin, & Yajirobe.
Frieza: Beaten by Frieza
Cell: Beaten by Goku & Gohan
Buu: Beaten by Goku, Vegeta, Hercule & Mr. Buuu.
Davey Cakes
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The fight with Pikkon was great but it was more about wits. In terms of pure power, Goku probably could've taken it.
That's why the battle is at least interesting. It's not just a beam struggle. It's almost unfortunate that Pikkon loses because he spammed one attack, as if he went from smart to dumb.
You missed out on the glory days of DBZ Tribute on Warcraft III. Easily better designed than Dota was, and until bots started hosting servers it was almost just as commonly played.
Two teams - one team gets Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Future Trunks and Goten/Trunks (you played as both); the other team gets Babidi, Broly, Androids 13/14/15/, Cell, Cooler/Big Geti Star, and Baby. The game ends when all players on one team are dead at the same time.
The game begins with different players in different positions throughout the map. Goku starts out on Snake Way, Vegeta starts out in the fields by some city near Goten/Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan were in the forest, and Future Trunks starts out in the Future. I don't remember exactly where the villains spawned.
As you kill mobs that are running around the map (mostly by chaining them, which is gathering a great deal of them in a chain and then firing a beam attack to kill them all at once, which was much faster than killing them individually) you would have to worry about the enemy team and Sagas showing up to kill you. A Saga was shorthand for the boss entity brought on by whichever point in the game you were in. You start out in the Saiyan Saga, and the bosses were Raditz, Nappa and a bunch of Saibamen. Immediately after killing them, Garlic Junior would spawn at Kami's Lookout with a group of enemies. There were Sagas for every character not represented by a player, and eventually in the final updates they went through the entire series and all of the movies.
The stats of a boss depended on the stats of the character that defeated it last at the time it was defeated. Defeating a Saga too early using your strongest form might net you some experience in the short term but could result in the rest of your team being too weak to fight the next one. A common example of this was actually the transition from Turles to Lord Slug. Most newbies playing as Goku, Gohan or Vegeta might use their Oozaru forms to fight Turles prematurely due to that form's ridiculously high stats in the early game, and doing so would net them decent experience, but then Lord Slug would show up with stats strong enough to take down that Oozaru and just roam the map, wrecking shit left and right.
This naturally results in in-fighting with the team, which leads to griefing for the Z-Fighters and outright rebellion for the villains, who could actually unally each other and go to war or form their own alliances with their own interests at heart.
When a Z-Fighter was killed they could either use a ticket from King Yemma to go back to Kami's Lookout and resume playing or they could run down Snake Way and grind on training mobs on King Kai's planet. There's only a certain number of tickets and they take a long time to respawn, so this led to a shitload of infighting when you found out some noob Gohan or something was wasting all of the tickets. Villains were sent to Hell, where they fought mobs and had to fight a boss for a ticket that would allow them to respawn.
The game was actually really awesome and the game played completely different from round to round, and most of the characters were dramatically different. In his endgame Goku could instant transmission to any of his allies or to major landmarks, making him a huge threat. Vegeta had Big Bang Attack, which was one of the strongest in the game. Cell would have to hunt down the Androids, but when he did his Perfect Form was incredibly powerful. Babidi and Baby could attempt to control Vegeta and, if Vegeta had no idea what he was doing, it would work (though you could just disable sharing units with that player, giving you control over yourself with the Majin/Baby buff). Big Geti Star could get incredibly powerful by massing clones of himself and farming for stats. If Goku and Vegeta stood next to eachother and said "fusion ha" at the same time in chat they could fuse to Gogeta or Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, and the players would have joint control of the unit. If they wanted to forgo SSJ4 and just end the game quickly they could fuse using the Potaras and form Vegito.
Shit was cray. Used to play the Goku to my brother's Vegeta all the time. We'd piss so many people off by having my brother get in to seemingly unwinnable situations and then having me instant transmission to him. We could usually win the game without fusing, but it was always fun to fuse and take on Broly, Super Perfect Cell, Kid Buu and Ultra Android 13 at the same time.
Davey Cakes
Member
In the end they both lost because the top of the arena counts as a "ring out."
Definitely a good fight but also a bit of a head-scratcher in terms of the outcome.
lol pretty much
HalfBakedProphet
Member
what? Is this fucking true? So if young Trunks and young Gotens jumped into a time machine they could have beaten Androids 17 and 18? Why was alternate future Trunks (who needed to see his foster brother and mentor dead to achieve SSJ) so much weaker than mainline trunks at the same age?
The Buu saga was trash
Videl is, at best, a 9 or so. Mr Satan is 7 or 8. I say this because official word on Goku is that he started DB at level 10 and could take a bullet.
Acerac
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Even if you want to say Tenshinhan is weaker, he's obviously more effective as his scene with Cell showed.
DBZ Tribute was so much fun. I remember I stopped playing dota for months because I was playing this all the time.
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