New Zelda Wind Waker HD videos

Refreshment.01 said:
Do you mean the HD ports that give you 2 or 3 games? Or something like the Metal Gear one which gives you the best games of the entire series including the latest one for 50?

The touch inventory is not huge. They have many ways to minimize inventory switiching wothouth a touch screen.
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According to who?
 
Interceptor said:
According to who?
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Fabrik said it's huge. I say just because Nintendo didn't do a competent job with inventory management in the original game doesn't mean a touch screen is a necesity to have something adequate. There are ways to reduce the visits to the inventory screen substantially withouth the use of the touch screen.

I mean we are talking about the development team who forced me to visit a menu to equip the iron boots. For that to be handled well enough we didnt need a touch screen back in 1998.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Fabrik said it's huge. I say just because Nintendo didn't do a competent job with inventory management in the original game doesn't mean a touch screen is a necesity to have something adequate. There are ways to reduce the visits to the inventory screen substantially withouth the use of the touch screen.
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So according to you. I see.

Sure, it´s nice to have a lot of small hidden areas in a room to put your stuff but it´s not an argument against an extra room to put it in. Wo wants to live in a small flat if you can have an extra room for free? Imagine someone running around the streets, screaming: Nooo, no! Don´t use the room! You are so lazy! Just tidy up! Don´t use iiiiiit! Nooooo! It´s not a necesity!!

Followed by a guy: My eyes! MY EYES! It´s so bright!
 
Shiggy said:
For a full price game (as it is in Europe) one could expect a complete graphical overhaul, an orchestrated soundtrack, and content additions such as new dungeons. It's unfortunate that they cheaped out on the LE when even Pandora's Tower had a steelbook case as well as an art book. Nintendo knows their fans just too well, put Mario or Zelda on the cover and 2mio sales are guaranteed.
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Well expecting new dungeons is more than a little krazy. Especially considering that I still think Zelda dungeons are the epitome of level design in the industry. I honestly think that Wind Waker HD is a very solid product from Nintendo at this point. It may not be my favorite of the 3D Zeldas, and it might be $10 overpriced, but I think Nintendo put enough effort in this one.

It would have been cool to include behind the scenes videos and interviews and extras on the disc as well.
 
Shiggy said:
Which HD port is full price though? I see them for EUR 20 or EUR 30. But then they were also not marketed as a major holiday title because there was a constant stream of new titles coming on other platforms, so there was no real need to do so.
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Wasnt Re revelations full price? Silent Hill HD is pretty expensive here in Sweden atleast. Im sure there are more.
 
Interceptor said:
So according to you. I see.

Sure, it´s nice to have a lot of small hidden areas in a room to put your stuff but it´s not an argument against an extra room to put it in. Wo wants to live in a small flat if you can have an extra room for free? Imagine someone running around the streets, screaming: Nooo, no! Don´t use the room! You are so lazy! Just tidy up! Don´t use iiiiiit! Nooooo! It´s not a necesity!!
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Im anciously waiting your counter argument in regards to the touch screen inventory been a huge game changer.

The main thing with the game (Bloom aside, really guys get use to it not a big deal) is the game's price. Some people will happily pay 50 for it, hell they'll probably pay 70. So im happy for the guys with that mind set and even more for Nintendo XD

However this doesn't change the fact that it is expensive for what's been offered and more in the light that we have seen of HD ports with more content in the form of collections or complete remakes even for cheaper in some cases. Does this HD port has more care put in that the majority of the ones we have seen? Yes. Does it justifies the 50 price for the game alone? No.
 
BY2K said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DaXGZz1k84

More gameplay from GameXplain.

It looks GORGEOUS!
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Also, more music shown to be rearranged. The "see Tetra" music has a similar violinish tune at the start to what's heard in the Wind's Requiem rearrangement. Even the environment music for that particular area shown sounds WAY better. And finally, the battle music did get an adjustment, it sounds more... I can't put my finger on it but the instruments are more clearly heard vs the old music.

God I can't wait to get my hands on the full songs!
 
Was that gust visual effect always there in the Forest? I don't remember it.

Also, touch screen menu is a big deal (for me, anyway), no need to pause the game ever!
 
BY2K said:
Was that gust visual effect always there in the Forest? I don't remember it.

Also, touch screen menu is a big deal (for me, anyway), no need to pause the game ever!
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The gust was there yes. That tiny area is one of the most impressive ones because of what its doing. A very small place populated with lots of foliage from grass bushes and threes. All of them including the gust affected by the wind's direction. It looks so dynamic. Is the kind of stuff one expecs to be common in this generation.
 
BY2K said:
Was that gust visual effect always there in the Forest? I don't remember it.
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I don't recall ever seeing it in the original (I mean I watch Cosmo's WW runs all the time and never see it) so I think it's new. It's at least more visible if it's not new.
 
Effect said:
Most likely no. They never release games that look exactly like their tech demos. However the positive is that the actual Zelda games have always looked better then the system tech demos.



It's an old and perhaps overused graphic but gets the point across quicker. So based on history we know we what we can somewhat expect. I imagine something looking closer to Monolith Soft's X in terms of possible scale and graphical level. Which is above what was shown in the Wii U tech demo. The Link we get has to be the adult one simply because we are getting kid Link in both TLoZ: The Wind Waker HD and TLoZ: A Link Between Worlds. The graphical style has to be different from both of those as well.
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I'm holding out a tiny bit of hope that since we're getting WW HD that they'll go with the WW style again. I think it's likely to look something more like TP though. As much as people bitch about nintendo giving in and going more grimdark high fantasy than they ever have before, TP had double the sales of all other recent entries.
 
Frodo said:
You can take selfies in this game. Nintendo should actually charge more. This game should cost £50/US$70.
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No problem. Buy 2 copies and send me one over here. Seems like a 100 pounds/140 dollars would be a legit price.

Or maybe Nintendo is fullfiling your price fantasy and is charging 300 for Wind HD and giving you a Wii U for free. GOD BLESS THEM!

Then you wonder why Nintendo takes decades to fix an inventory system
 
Frodo said:
You can take selfies in this game. Nintendo should actually charge more. This game should cost £50/US$70.
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Frodo said:
You can take selfies in this game. Nintendo should actually charge more. This game should cost £50/US$70.
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The FFX/X-2 remake is $40 and those games together were selling for $4 before. That's a 10/1 ratio for HD remake to classic costs. Wind Waker was $35. When you think about it that way, even $200 would be a steal. They could get away with far more.
 
^^ Yes, all the positivism of the followers has got in to me i guess.

So i end up seem this game as a huge opportunity. It will be a great chance for revisionism, finally we might be at the stage for the game to actually get some fair reviews instead of the 96 average on Meta critic which is way too high.

Who im kidding? The cheap price will bump the game to 11/10 acording to some experest in the thread XD
 
Refreshment.01 said:
^^ Yes, all the positivism of the followers has got in to me i guess.

So i end up seem this game as a huge opportunity. It will be a great chance for revisionism, finally we might be at the stage for the game to actually get some fair reviews instead of the 96 average on Meta critic which is way too high.

Who im kidding? The cheap price will bump the game to 11/10 acording to some experest in the thread XD
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You are so butthurt.
 
Darryl said:
The FFX/X-2 remake is $40 and those games together were selling for $4 before. That's a 10/1 ratio for HD remake to classic costs. Wind Waker was $35. When you think about it that way, even $200 would be a steal. They could get away with far more.
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I'm okay with this.

I'm even buying the special edition Wii U, even though I already have one, to use it exclusively for Zelda. No other game shall ever maculate that console. I don't want my precious Zelda mingling with these minor games.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
^^ Yes, all the positivism of the followers has got in to me i guess.

So i end up seem this game as a huge opportunity. It will be a great chance for revisionism, finally we might be at the stage for the game to actually get some fair reviews instead of the 96 average on Meta critic which is way too high.

Who im kidding? The cheap price will bump the game to 11/10 acording to some experest in the thread XD
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You take that shit back. WIND WAKER IS AMAZING!
 
Refreshment.01 said:
^^ Yes, all the positivism of the followers has got in to me i guess.

So i end up seem this game as a huge opportunity. It will be a great chance for revisionism, finally we might be at the stage for the game to actually get some fair reviews instead of the 96 average on Meta critic which is way too high.

Who im kidding? The cheap price will bump the game to 11/10 acording to some experest in the thread XD
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Oh I know. Maybe then, it will have more realistic ratings.
Expect a 96. :P

Refreshment.01 said:
Compared to Sands of Time and Beyond Good and Evil? Yes.

Compared to most Zelda games not runing on a CD I machine? No.
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In your eyes, no. To others, yes. To myself, yes. To other others, no. It's subjective.
 
LordGouda said:
In your eyes, no. To others, yes. To myself, yes. To other others, no. It's subjective.
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Is not as subjective as people wanted it to be. Just tell me what are the strong points of the game?

Take in consideration the game is following Ocarina and Majora, that save for reduced dungeon count it moved forward almost all aspects of that game. I don't have the energy to write somethig long and cover all my bases but here are some things (+/-) the game is doing:

+Well crafted art style and animations.
+More varied combat and enemy behaviour.
+Some people dig the plot (plot in a Zelda game XD )

-Sparse overworld that kills any interesting exploration.
-Step back in NPC interaction (to be fair all 3D Z games after Majora are guilty of these)
-Weak dungeons when contrasted with the rest of 3D Zelda games.
-Lame puzles.
-Low difficulty bar and poor difficulty curve.
-Uninteresting item save for the Deku leaf,

Don't even care about the quantity of positive/negative just look at what are the key elements of a Zelda game and judge for yourself.

But lenme guess, you can't analise objectivly charm and soul. So its the BEST EVA! is an absolute worthwhile opinion. XD
HYDE said:
Wait you played the final version...I want pics of your copy.
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Holy shit! Does he needs to play the final version to make that observation? Really? Make your mind guys, so Nintendo did finally add that content that got slashed due to time constrains? Because people expecting that (due to price) are classified as elegible to fly over the coocko's nest.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Is not as subjective as people wanted it to be. Just tell me what are the strong points of the game?

Take in consideration the game is following Ocarina and Majora, that save for reduced dungeon count it moved forward almost all aspects of that game. I don't have the energy to write somethig long and cover all my bases but here are some things (+/-) the game is doing:

+Well crafted art style and animations.
+More varied combat and enemy behaviour.
+Some people dig the plot (plot in a Zelda game XD )

-Sparse overworld that kills any interesting exploration.
-Step back in NPC interaction (to be fair all 3D Z games after Majora are guilty of these)
-Weak dungeons when contrasted with the rest of 3D Zelda games.
-Lame puzles.
-Low difficulty bar and poor difficulty curve.
-Uninteresting item save for the Deku leaf,

Don't even care about the quantity of positive/negative just look at what are the key elements of a Zelda game and judge for yourself.

But lenme guess, you can analise objectivly charm and soul. So its the BEST EVA! is an absolute worthwhile opinion. XD

Holy shit! Does he needs to play the final version to make that observation? Really? Make your mind guys, so Nintendo did finally add that content that got slashed due to time constrains? Because people expecting that (due to price) are classified as elegible to fly over the coocko's nest.
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Are you like, trolling out of nowhere? why? O_o
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Is not as subjective as people wanted it to be. Just tell me what are the strong points of the game?

Take in consideration the game is following Ocarina and Majora, that save for reduced dungeon count it moved forward almost all aspects of that game. I don't have the energy to write somethig long and cover all my bases but here are some things (+/-) the game is doing:

+Well crafted art style and animations.
+More varied combat and enemy behaviour.
+Some people dig the plot (plot in a Zelda game XD )

-Sparse overworld that kills any interesting exploration.
-Step back in NPC interaction (to be fair all 3D Z games after Majora are guilty of these)
-Weak dungeons when contrasted with the rest of 3D Zelda games.
-Lame puzles.
-Low difficulty bar and poor difficulty curve.
-Uninteresting item save for the Deku leaf,

Don't even care about the quantity of positive/negative just look at what are the key elements of a Zelda game and judge for yourself.

But lenme guess, you can analise objectivly charm and soul. So its the BEST EVA! is an absolute worthwhile opinion. XD
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All of that is subjective. Unless you can mathematically or logically prove those points, they are all subjective.

People love a game that you don't. Get over it.
 
The bundle is really making me think hard about getting a Wii U this year, but I'm not sure if I can swing it and both new systems all at once :/
 
Rogue_Ledr said:
Sheeesh!

Could they have done ANY less to upgrade the gameplay?

Those "enhancements" are so miniscule they are barely worth mentioning.
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...i might be having deja vu, but didnt you post this exact same sentence before in a previous WWHD thread...?
 
Toparaman said:
All of that is subjective. Unless you can mathematically or logically prove those points, they are all subjective.

People love a game that you don't. Get over it.
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You are one more of the crowd, i can't never get over that. Is not about love or hate, the world is not a binary entity. Like i already did say, comapred to 2003 line up of consoles games (excuse my memory) it was the best game that year. Not close to best Zelda in any sense thought.

More over you don't need to deconstruct everything into a mathematic formula to have a reasonable point.
EmCeeGramr said:
Nearly everything you said there was subjective.
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No at all. Stuff like more deep enemy patterns, animation and improved physcis are factual. The type of development the game had proves some of those observations i made. Is not my fault that you fail to grasp that.

Also how are some acusing me of trolling when im taking the time to actually "try"to give some base to what im arguing? Having a different pov is not the same as trolling. On the other hand im been counter argued with short asnwers like subjective, trolling or "nope".

Anyways, there's really no point. Hopefuly the disscussion will be resumed when the levels or hype are subdued after the release. Meanwhile, i'll try to disscuss specific aspects of the remake to not hurt any feelings.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Is not as subjective as people wanted it to be. Just tell me what are the strong points of the game?

Take in consideration the game is following Ocarina and Majora, that save for reduced dungeon count it moved forward almost all aspects of that game. I don't have the energy to write somethig long and cover all my bases but here are some things (+/-) the game is doing:

+Well crafted art style and animations.
+More varied combat and enemy behaviour.
+Some people dig the plot (plot in a Zelda game XD )

-Sparse overworld that kills any interesting exploration.
-Step back in NPC interaction (to be fair all 3D Z games after Majora are guilty of these)
-Weak dungeons when contrasted with the rest of 3D Zelda games.
-Lame puzles.
-Low difficulty bar and poor difficulty curve.
-Uninteresting item save for the Deku leaf,

Don't even care about the quantity of positive/negative just look at what are the key elements of a Zelda game and judge for yourself.

But lenme guess, you can't analise objectivly charm and soul. So its the BEST EVA! is an absolute worthwhile opinion. XD

Holy shit! Does he needs to play the final version to make that observation? Really? Make your mind guys, so Nintendo did finally add that content that got slashed due to time constrains? Because people expecting that (due to price) are classified as elegible to fly over the coocko's nest.
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Wait, you're saying I can't analyze objectively, but you use subjective terms such as "lame", "uninteresting", and "weak" which seem they're based off YOUR opinions? How is that objective again?

Plus, when did you assume I think it's the best ever? I simply said it's simply subjective to a person. I find it better than some of the other Zelda's and some may agree with that. You can happily disagree, but the fact you're even countering this using subjective terms to an "objective" analysis really seems off.

Yes, you sort of have to play the final game to make observations. That way you can do a full on comparison between the two. You're completely undermining it just because of the older version, which you didn't like at all.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Also how are some acusing me of trolling when im taking the time to actually "try"to give some base to what im arguing? Having a different pov is not the same as trolling. On the other hand im been counter argued with short asnwers like subjective, trolling or "nope".
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I feel like it's probably less that you have a different point of view that rubs people the wrong way, and more where you're choosing to express it. You came into a topic dedicated to the game, you had to know how people would react, so the idea that you came with the intention to provoke that reaction isn't exactly outrageous.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Fabrik said it's huge. I say just because Nintendo didn't do a competent job with inventory management in the original game doesn't mean a touch screen is a necesity to have something adequate. There are ways to reduce the visits to the inventory screen substantially withouth the use of the touch screen.

I mean we are talking about the development team who forced me to visit a menu to equip the iron boots. For that to be handled well enough we didnt need a touch screen back in 1998.
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You could just buy the original if it bothers you that much
 
Aren't most HD releases a resolution bump and optimizing code to run better on the system? If that's the case it's no wonder HD collections have a bunch of games on them at 30 dollars.

This game has: reworked music, updated textures, fixed end game quest, resolution bump, optimized code for Wii U, gamepad features, selfie camera thingy (lol) with miiverse integration, tweaks to items (like bigger wallet and faster sail), new lighting engine and yet you guys are complaining that not much work has been done to warrant 50 dollars which is still less than a full game? Okay...
 
Refreshment.01 said:
You are one more of the crowd, i can't never get over that. Is not about love or hate, the world is not a binary entity. Like i already did say, comapred to 2003 line up of consoles games (excuse my memory) it was the best game that year. Not close to best Zelda in any sense thought.

More over you don't need to deconstruct everything into a mathematic formula to have a reasonable point.

No at all. Stuff like more deep enemy patterns, animation and improved physcis are factual. The type of development the game had proves some of those observations i made. Is not my fault that you fail to grasp that.

Also how are some acusing me of trolling when im taking the time to actually "try"to give some base to what im arguing? Having a different pov is not the same as trolling. On the other hand im been counter argued with short asnwers like subjective, trolling or "nope".

Anyways, there's really no point. Hopefuly the disscussion will be resumed when the levels or hype are subdued after the release. Meanwhile, i'll try to disscuss specific aspects of the remake to not hurt any feelings.
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So what you are saying is that I am wrong because it is my favorite Zelda game?
 
Mannny said:
Aren't most HD releases a resolution bump and optimizing code to run better on the system? If that's the case it's no wonder HD collections have a bunch of games on them at 30 dollars.

This game has: reworked music, updated textures, fixed end game quest, resolution bump, optimized code for Wii U, gamepad features, selfie camera thingy (lol) with miiverse integration, tweaks to items (like bigger wallet and faster sail), new lighting engine and yet you guys are complaining that not much work has been done to warrant 50 dollars which is still less than a full game? Okay...
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Bbbbut Geometry! Bloom! Just messing with you all! ;p Seriously this looks awesome. I've never played Wind Waker apart from the start really so I'm happy to finally get to play it. It looks awesome :D
 
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