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[mcjmetroid]

I'm guessing this is why Nintendo hasn't released them since. Nintendo probably sees the issues. Seems with the switch remasters the general idea is to leave games in tact for better or for worse.

Nothing much was done with metroid prime besides the control changes and graphics. Not sure paper mario has any real changes.
Super mario RPG etc.

I prefer it that way. Better off leaving the core game as it is. If you want to add additional save points and quality of life.. fine but no changing the feel of the game of language and wording.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

The QoL features added to TWW HD (plus having the menu on the GamePad's screen) make me easily handwave away any issues I could have with the graphics (which are still gorgeous).

The changes to TP HD were minimal, hardly something to lose sleep over.

OOT on 3DS has gyro aiming and a better framerate. Hard to go back to the unmodded N64 version, especially on modern screens.

MM is the only Zelda remaster where some changes were pretty much unquestionably worse than what was in the original. Then again, you got a better save system (for modern players), gyro aiming, and free camera.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

The WWHD remaster is far superior to the original. 1080p, enhanced textures, redone UI, completely redone & orchestrated soundtrack using a full orchestra instead of gross MIDI. It's an amazing game, imho. Dunno what you talking about. Those screen comparisons of Link solidify my stand that the Wii U version is better, not the opposite.

Agree to disagree, I guess. WWHD all the way. But I'll still replay it on GameCube Classics with the NSO GCN controller.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

The QoL features added to TWW HD (plus having the menu on the GamePad's screen) make me easily handwave away any issues I could have with the graphics (which are still gorgeous).

The changes to TP HD were minimal, hardly something to lose sleep over.

OOT on 3DS has gyro aiming and a better framerate. Hard to go back to the unmodded N64 version, especially on modern screens.

MM is the only Zelda remaster where some changes were pretty much unquestionably worse than what was in the original. Then again, you got a better save system (for modern players), gyro aiming, and free camera.

Agreed completely. Every Zelda remake/remaster has been superior to the original except for the MM 3DS remake. I do agree that one went way, way too far.

 

[Trilobit]

With nothing but scorn for the original games, which is what you can see under every Nintendo post about the upcoming WW port right now. I remember us pretty much unanimously agreeing that Nintendo's Wii U bloom is disgusting and compromises the art style

From a timeless cozy anime look

to this overexposed Play-Doh mess that looks like those BotW bugs where people manage to disable Link's cel shading

Weird green hue for some reason

Ofc there are a few nice additions like the faster sail (tho any emu lets you speed up the game if you really need to) and you can buy and enjoy WWHD, but if you love the original you shouldn't be happy with such half-assed remasters let alone beg for them with no appreciation for the originals that hardly even aged

I honestly never understood the praise for WW HD. The original GC version is absolutely perfect in its artstyle and graphics and I always thought the remake ruined the wonderful cartoon look.

 

[MrA]

Just like Ninja Gaiden 2(BC), Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, and Ninja Gaiden Black 2, simultaneously existing on the Xbox store right now, gamers prefer more choices rather than forced choices.

Are you ok with Nintendo conditioning people to only accept 1 choice?

You do realize the 64 originals are available on Nintendo's subscription, right?and nintendo has the original, gameboy advance and snes versions of multiple games on the service?

 

[diffusionx]

I'm fine with the remasters even with the changes, even with changes I don't like (MM boss eyeballs for example) both versions exist and can be played.

You're never going to make everyone happy with remasters and remakes.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

God knows why they ditched cell shading in the Wii U version

 

[Azelover]

I won't speak for anybody else but I'm begging because they're done. They just have to publish them almost. If we have to wait for remakes or deeper remasters, it's gonna take longer..

 

[TintoConCasera]

The version looks better than the N64 and closer to the concept art

It doesn't, check out my previous post ITT.

 

[Filben]

Then again, you got a better save system (for modern players), gyro aiming, and free camera.

Plus better/more useful maps, one additional item slot for usage, better/more useful Bomber's note book, forwarding time with the song can be set by the exact hour, you can set an alarm with your fairy, rumors are tracked and noted in the note book, faster dialogues and more consistent skipping of dialogues, also without accidentally choosing a dialogue option because the skip button don't select a dialogue answer any more, due to the dual screen it's easier to play songs because the notes appear simultaneously while playing, slower Zora swimming makes it easier to navigate in tight spaces.

Some tedious cutscenes like the Deku guys flying away and leaving you the deeds are tremendously shortened. Since you probably trade a lot of deeds during the course of the game's side quests you'll see them leaving very often and in the N64 version the cutscenes are unskippable and continue until these guys are well out of sight.

Some visuals details apart from the obvious graphics improvements: Link turns his head towards points of interest, enemies, etc. When doing the Deku spin thorns growing at the end of his hood, which explains why you do damage at all, when doing the spin. HUD is more tidy, cleaned up and reveal more of the screen.

Compared to maybe one or two not so popular changes (one of which can be mitigated by using Chateau Romani for unlimited mana until the next three day cycle), this is such an improved version over the original one.

 

[Robb]

It doesn't, check out my previous post ITT.

 

[rkofan87]

i like my textures to not look like mud sorry

and text scroll is slow as shit

 

[rkofan87]

Nah, WW HD is gorgeous

Not to mention the QoL improvements

and the qol of ww hd is real good as well
f off haters

 

[March Climber]

You do realize the 64 originals are available on Nintendo's subscription, right?and nintendo has the original, gameboy advance and snes versions of multiple games on the service?

Yes, my question was towards a Nintendo defender, not Nintendo themselves.

To rephrase it as simple as possible, I'm asking why he would want Nintendo to deny anyone from choice.

 

[Shaki12345]

God knows why they ditched cell shading in the Wii U version

It's not cell shaded to begin with.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

A kitten burns in hell everytime someone recommends the 3DS version of OOT over the N64 original.

Fucking hell dude. I feel so vindicated, been bitching about that game since it was announced. Fucking Nintendo man.

 

[vodka-bull]

I'd rather play games instead of care about minor derails, but to each their own. I don't even have any possibility to connect a PS2 to my OLED, and even if I'd buy a HDMI adapter, GTA4 on PS3 is barely playable on a 77" OLED, PS2 sure ain't any better.

 

[Closer]

I like both. whynotboth.gif

 

[TexMex]

They all look great. Having a preference is fine but pretending like the WiiU version is some unmitigated eye sore is ridiculous. You don't love the original that much more, you love being that much younger.

 

[Donkusei]

There are few issues but overall the HD versions are great and look better. Especially TP HD, I would never play the original game anymore. It's just MUCH better.

I would agree for TWW that the new lighting is not really "better", just... Different.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

yeah I'm with you on this one -- I just looked back at a pdf of the original n64 instruction booklet, and the remastered faces for link (both child and adult) are very faithful to the concept art. The 3DS port is solid, maybe a few minor missteps here and there but an excellent way to enjoy it that feels like it completes the intentions of the original game.

 

[Zuo]

Just played the new Fantasy Life and I feel nothing but vindicated making this thread. Stop putting so much eye cancer in every new game, holy FUCK

 

[Kataploom]

Don't you like your games having proper atmosphere too?

Just look at this:

There are more examples of this, but the last scene is the worst offender, total fuck up:

Spoiler

... oh and Link's design too. He went from cool looking to dork.

Everyone these days are afraid of dark shadows and backlighting, that applies to gaming, anime, TV live action shows, etc.

 

[Durin]

With emulators, it's pretty much a non-issue for Wind Waker to me.

I forget the link, but people did alter out the bloom for Wind Waker HD on Cemu. So you can get closer to the original art style with the rest of the gameplay improvements it offered.

Skyward Sword HD I remember being better all around, including the precision of the motion controls using the joycons.

 

[Zuo]

I don't hate OoT 3D but it definitely messes with the game's tone too much and ruins the few dramatic cutscenes the game has (meeting Ganondorf). The game deserves way better

Luckily the original is perfect as is

 

[Lethal01]

Just played the new Fantasy Life and I feel nothing but vindicated making this thread. Stop putting so much eye cancer in every new game, holy FUCK

This looks great

 

[Panajev2001a]

God knows why they ditched cell shading in the Wii U version

I felt like this before playing it back in the day, but I learned to like it a lot as an alternative dreamy look. I can enjoy both variations of the style, one needs a tiny bit to adjust but the HD remaster makes sense as a whole and it is worth playing it so I hope they remaster it for Switch 2 so that we can play both the GC original as well as the HD version.

With the SotC remake on PS4 they did remove the marked bloom and it did not make for a better look in that case to be fair.

 

[cireza]

Never playing Wind Waker again without the Swift Sail.

 

[Spukc]

Me i prefer all modern versions.

And yes i also played all old versions on launch.

The QoL stuff is so much better.
Quick equip iron shoes in water temple.
Yo fuck that shit in OoT

Gamepad in wind waker inc fast sailing.

Some fucking guide in MM that makes you understand the daily routines of people.

And TP always needed a res bump so boohoo

 

[Power Pro]

I just want a version that I can own of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess on Switch 1 or 2. They're putting Wind Waker for the Gamecube on the Switch Online service, and that alone is a problem. I want to own my games, not pay endlessly for a subscription for the "privilege" to access it as long as I'm subscribed.

 

[ItsGreat]

It's interesting how some justify questionable practices simply because they're profitable. The "target audience doesn't know any better" argument essentially means "let's take advantage of them." It's cute to see how some believe that defending and cheering for a company's profits (that they're not even benefiting from) will somehow bring them any advantage.

Not everything's a scam because it sells well. Sometimes, it's just good and people are happy to pay for it. Shocking!

 

[Hyet]

Molten core take:

They should have remade Wind Waker in YARN or STOP MOTION STYLE

This way:
Preserves the original style in the original game instead of recreating it divisevely
Enables a new style for these character designs and world that takes advantage of HD graphics
It's different enough that prevents the "they did the original one dirty" conversation
The different direction makes its existence feel more justified

 

[Hashassin]

Because it's easy to throw a bucket of AI paint over your game, fix nothing and sell it as a remaster to squeeze more money out of us nostalgic dorks. Actually most of the time these remasters/ports have more wrong with them than the original. Doesn't matter pay money now you mandril.

 

[Zannegan]

Every time I see this thread title, I think of the TP demo from the Wii U. I'll never get why that is some people's benchmark for what Zelda "should be." Wanting a more realistic look for the series is one thing, but that overall look is only slightly better than all those soulless, plasticky UE hyperrealistic Pokemon concepts people release every few months.

It was fine as a concept beck in the day, but I hope for better for the next Zelda, renaster or original.

 

[BlackTron]

I have pity for people who think the 3DS version of OOT is better.

I can't even laugh at you; I feel genuinely bad for you.