The funny bit is that PS3 and 360 owners think they have been getting 1080p versions of games. My point is that at POS, customers don't know and don't care.
Could this be a "breakout" Holiday season for the Wii-U?
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The funny bit is that PS3 and 360 owners think they have been getting 1080p versions of games. My point is that at POS, customers don't know and don't care.
Chinpoko_Master
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Most households own consoles, so yes that does cover "most kids". And no, this isn't the first time PlayStation has competed against mobile gaming. Why do you think the Vita is selling like shit? Fortunately for Sony, the PS4 isn't a handheld so there won't be nearly as much competition from mobile devices and likely not enough for it to be a legitimate threat.
It could be, but the thing is: Nintendo is still evidently focusing mostly on 3DS. The Wii U has a very solid lineup this holiday, even with Watch_Dogs and Donkey Kong delayed to 2014. I'd argue it has a much stronger lineup than what PS4 and Xbone bring to the table this year thanks to its back catalogue and, surprisingly enough, multiplatform releases. But I don't think that's enough. The marketing still isn't there, and many question the platforms mid and long term viability. So there's a big "if".
The holiday season could be solid if they ramp up the marketing and have a really promising fall conference with stuff nobody had seen coming - the latter is especially important to get press coverage in light of two new systems launching. But I don't see the marketing effort, and they haven't even announced a fall conference (yet), so I'm skeptical.
The holiday season could be solid if they ramp up the marketing and have a really promising fall conference with stuff nobody had seen coming - the latter is especially important to get press coverage in light of two new systems launching. But I don't see the marketing effort, and they haven't even announced a fall conference (yet), so I'm skeptical.
Neff
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Nothing you've said here bears relevance to my post.
I'll definitely be picking one up, hoping for a good Black Friday deal. I won't be picking up a PS4/X1 until sometime in the middle of next year, but I'm ready for a new console right now. I completely skipped out on the Wii, and my 3DSXL has me yearning for some big-screen Nintendo games - so I figured now would be a great time to jump in. Especially because there are a number of games for the system I'm really interested in playing (Windwaker HD, Super Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends, etc).
Chinpoko_Master
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Thank you for contributing Vlade. I'm glad you can speak for every consumer on planet Earth. I don't know what we would do without you.
Nothing in your previous post bears relevance to reality.
JinjoUnchained
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People are missing the point when they claim that Wii U will fail because it will be overshadowed by PS4/XBone. Nintendo has their own distinct segment of the market and doesn't compete with MS and Sony head-to-head. The Wii U probably won't break out this holiday season, but it won't have anything to do with PS4/XBone.
The problems are: better price, but it's still too expensive for the family demographic; software drought is over and the upcoming lineup looks strong, but they are still lacking a cross-over exclusive that really sells the concept of the GamePad; finally, the marketing push hasn't materialized yet and one wonders if it ever will.
Instead of a breakout holiday, it's more likely that Wii U growth will be a slow burn as the price comes down and the exclusives pile up. Nintendo would be happy if it follows the growth arc of the 3DS. In any case, I doubt that the Wii U's success or failure has anything to do with Sony or Microsoft.
The problems are: better price, but it's still too expensive for the family demographic; software drought is over and the upcoming lineup looks strong, but they are still lacking a cross-over exclusive that really sells the concept of the GamePad; finally, the marketing push hasn't materialized yet and one wonders if it ever will.
Instead of a breakout holiday, it's more likely that Wii U growth will be a slow burn as the price comes down and the exclusives pile up. Nintendo would be happy if it follows the growth arc of the 3DS. In any case, I doubt that the Wii U's success or failure has anything to do with Sony or Microsoft.
Neff
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I was right, you have nothing to say.
I disagree that the next-gen-duo "wipe the floor" with their lineups this christmas. To me, they do not. And the library of third party ports and exclusive titles is adding up quite nicely - that is what I see making the Wii U more attractive. Not one game by itself swooping in to save the platform.
Wake up yourself.
Soo...why don't these people who hold this particular view concerning it being dead and done actually stop discussing it? Seems to be a lot of Wii U oriented threads active here. What is there to talk about?
For a platform that's already dead (for the last 10 months apparently), put out by a company that's doomed, seems like quite a bit of interest.
Yeah, this is obviously not true for Every Single Customer, but it does seem to be true of a significant portion.
Putting aside the notion that there are actually 140 million ps360 users, how many of those still active ps360s are actually connected to HDTVs with hdmi cables? And of the users actually getting the best potential image quality from the consoles, how many care that sub-hd is still quite prevalent as far as software goes? I don't think it is a huge selling point right now.
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Anyways.
People have been buying the Wii U for Wind Waker for christs sakes. The lineup from here on out looks to have much more system selling potential, certainly in aggregate, than an HD Gamecube game.
LOL, it's Nintendo. Nothing they do will ever gain them respect here on NeoGAF. See how many people went in and shitted up the Pokemon sales thread? And this is 3DS we're talking about here.
Anyway, Sony/Microsoft and Nintendo are targeting two completely different demographics. So long as Nintendo do a much better job of executing on the marketing and positioning, the Wii U will do very well this holiday season.
Metallix87
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I think a lot of people are over-selling the PS4 at this point. Here are the facts:
1.) It will be supply constrained.
2.) The lineup is weak. All the top games are available on HD platforms people already own.
3.) More expensive is still more expensive, even if only $100.
4.) Who knows what launch issues the hardware will suffer.
5.) Not launching in all regions.
6.) Nintendo usually does way better during the Holidays, much more so than the competition.
SporeCrawler
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If we are talking WW people also forget that ps4/xbone will not launch in japan at all.
Great post!
Great post!
Always-honest
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I do think they'll sell well this holiday. Xbox one isn't out in many countries yet and the WiiU will have a great lineup. It's also in a positive flow right now. People who own one are very happy with it.
When we discuss sales and customers, we should be considering more than ourselves.
RedAssedApe
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the better ps4 and xbone do the better wii-u will do simply do to it being one of the remaining consoles on the shelf. although i could still see some shoppers bypassing it for the ps3/360
Porcile
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Nintendo need to market the shit out of it, regardless of the release of the other two consoles. Word of mouth is good for Wii U right now, and they've got some big names coming out and their traditional evergreen tiles lready on shelves. It's all about Nintendo getting the message out there. Surely it's now or never?
DeadlyFernGarden
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My feelings exactly. Nintendo won't have stocking problems. Sly pun.
FalsettoVibe
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Not a chance...
Psycho_Mantis
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1) All consoles that had good launches were supply constrained. You have no idea how big the supply is ( 1 million a month is what I remember plus the pre launch supplies) so unless someone is making someone crazy prediction like 5-6 million its not really a point against some of the predictions here.
2)The Lineup is leagues better than PS3.
3)The WiiU doesn't have that next gen appeal though. For families its definitely a factor but I think the WiiU dropping in price is going to help the system sell more than effect the PS4's sales in a substantial manner.
5) Its launching it the two biggest regions in the same month: US and EU. Launching in most of the big countries in EU and iirc its also launching in Asia. The only major region being left out infact is Japan.
I think the PS4 is going to sell 2 million by the end of the year WW . The WiiU is doing like 30k a month in Japan and 35k a month in US. Lets say 30k in EU too. For it to outsell the PS4 it would have to sell 666k a month during (October, November and December). Thats not likely at all.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
So why would anybody buy a Wii U over a PS3/360?
That was the question Nintendo failed to answer over the past year. The question doesn't just suddenly disappear because there are new systems. The Wii U is still more expensive than the 2 systems currently outselling it and will get completely hammered by the PS4 and XB1.
I think this holiday season ends up being the final nail in the coffin.
Exactly. I have a hard time imagining that the audience who spammed F5 on amazon waiting for preorders to go live and who will be lining up for 12 hours in the freezing cold would instead be frothing for a Wii U if the other systems weren't releasing at this time. That the PS4 and Xbox are coming out this holiday will have little impact on how well Wii U will do or would have done without them.
The question is whether the people in the market for a Wii U are going to look at the price and current lineup and decide if now is the time. And I think for a good many people, this is going to be a great holiday season for a Wii U.
Version 3.0
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Let's assume all those are true. None are necessarily relevant to the Wii U doing any better. People who don't go for the PS4 (or Xbox One) have little incentive to choose a Wii U over a PS3 or 360. People looking for a Nintendo system are far more likely to choose a 3DS. Even the Wii may outsell the Wii U this Christmas, like it did last Christmas and has done all year.
prag16
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How do you arrive at that "most households own consoles" conclusion?
In a sense Nintendo's screwup with the Wii U was assuming the conditions hadn't changed since several years ago.
Expecting the PS4/xbone to set the world on fire may require some of those very same types of assumptions.
What? No. Not this time. If it DOES happen, I'll stand right next to you in proclaiming the certain and final death of the platform.
TreasureHunterG
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Indeed. Makes me remember everyone expecting Vita to do groundbreaking numbers even when it didn't had any appealing software in the release, too.
What about the 35 millions who ALREADY have a 3DS? These would be the easiest customers to convince.
Metallix87
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Because 360 & PS3 won't have new Mario 3D, new Sonic, and new Pikmin this Holiday season. Games sell systems, and even counting those systems, Wii U has the best exclusive lineup going into the Holiday season.
See above.
As for 3DS, those who already have a 3DS but want more Nintendo content besides Pokemon and Zelda this Holiday season will likely at least consider a Wii U.
prankster101
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The Wii U is the modern day Dreamcast. No matter how good the games are (and will be), no-one's going to give a shit.
All these 675% sales increases people refer to are nothing more than the last gasps of a system meeting its untimely end.
All these 675% sales increases people refer to are nothing more than the last gasps of a system meeting its untimely end.
Arkam
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If the WiiU gives me the same amount of great games the DC did I will be very happy
Metallix87
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I never suggested otherwise, nor did anyone else. The supply issues will stunt sales potential for those two systems, not spur Nintendo's sales.
Wii U will do better because of the price drop, better bundles, and solid software lineup.
Hyperbole much?
prankster101
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Didn't change the Dreamcast's fate though, did it?
Freezie KO
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It'll get a bump, but it's not a really strong line-up for the core audience, who are the most likely to drop $300 on a console. You've got Mario, Sonic, and Wii ___ as your key exclusives.
I think it could do okay for the holidays, but it'll just tank again in January. I don't believe expansions or ports of the Wii games are going to enrapture the casual crowd again.
I think it could do okay for the holidays, but it'll just tank again in January. I don't believe expansions or ports of the Wii games are going to enrapture the casual crowd again.
Metallix87
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Wii U and Dreamcast are in entirely different situations.
prankster101
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Mr Patcher's made a career out of it. What's your point?
No. It's nothing more than a system seller. Something Nintendo knows how to cook, and they won't stop at that one.
Metallix87
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Are you suggesting you're Michael Pachter? Quite frankly, Pachter at least has many years of experience before making ridiculous claims like that, and I very much doubt he makes bizarre comparisons that make little sense when actually analyzed.
1) You are guessing, notna fact
2) they will look and play better on the new consoles.
3)this one is true
4)Guessing again, hardly a fact
5)True, but the biggest markets are covered
6) Every product sells better in the holidays, doesn't prove anything.
So yeah, most of those aren't facts.
In my case I love Nintendo games and I would love to play some of those games but the PS4 is a better long term investment. Nintendo has Nintendo games, and thet are awesome. But I couldn't use it as my only console and I only have money for one.
prankster101
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Not really. No 3rd party support. People holding out for a certain Sony platform. Great first party games preaching to the converted but ultimately failing to sell systems to any significant degree where it's not justifiable for the platform manufacturer to continue.
Steve McQueen
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Lol. I am a parent and as most kids own a Wii, the WiiU and it's price will make it the obvious choice...especially for parents. I don't think there are many parents willing to burn so much cash on a console that isn't even backward compatible. For core gamers X1 and PS4 may be the choice, but kids and parents are no early adopters.
I don't care about such predictions, I just bought a Wii U with MH3U and will be buying more games as they get cheaper. PS4 and XBone don't interest me at all. I'm thinking about picking up an X360 or (more likely) PS3 in a few years when the prices actually get to acceptable levels. So, I don't really care if there's a "breakout" for Wii U. Nintendo will always support it, the multiformat games I can get in better quality on PC than on any console, and the few exclusives will wait for me ten years from now if I really want to play them (backlog is quite big and not gonna get any smaller so I'll see about that)
metalslimer
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It'll probably be a while before Wii U even beats DC's sales numbers. I'm still wondering why people think 3D World is going to push some extraordinary amount of units that didnt already get the system for NSMBU.
prankster101
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Are you suggesting that it's ok for some people to make predictions, but not others? I'm not Michael Patcher, but do you have any evidence to suggest that despite its pathetic sales record to date, that the Wii U has a fighting chance? Still? After all these months when Nintendo have been banging on the door and trying to convince people (and software developers) to invest in the console...
No one is interested.
Raonak
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If thats the case, that cheaper alternative is either a ps3 or 360.
That's the problem , and if you have not figured this one yet....you might be working for Nintendo as well.
it might be fine for you for wiiu to sell 30 million or what ever just so you can play nintendo games...thats fine but 3rd party is not happy with that, they wont support a machine that is made only for nintendo games. 3rd party matters. 95%-98% of the games we play are multiplat games. Exclusives are great but they make small %.
So to say that Nintendo is in its own world and all is fine, well that's the problem.
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