VFX_Veteran
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LOL! Everything you see in those "tech" demos are in the real game on the PC. Should I go find some gameplay gifs to quiet that argument??
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LOL! Everything you see in those "tech" demos are in the real game on the PC. Should I go find some gameplay gifs to quiet that argument??
Vulcano's assistant
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That comparison is ridiculous, if you are going to compare set-pieces explosions, compare it to another set-piece explosion.
Ghost Cell
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LOL! That explosion will look identical on PS4 and XB1.
VFX_Veteran
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The argument is not the PS4 vs PC.. The silly argument is that KZ:SF is technically better than BF4 and C3 on the PC...
Seriously, like where can I get a scene similar to this in any KZ:SF gameplay segment? Link please..
Man, can't they change the axis that the smoke plume starts from? It looks super weird to have an eplosion on the wall, but the smoke puffing up from the ground like that. It's a launch game after all, they had me fooled for a second
..put a bomb on a wall, and about half of it will explode towards the floor, which will then rise?
Canis lupus
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Congrats on the dumbest comparison of the day.
nelsonroyale
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I was commenting on the fact that you couldnt even back up your claims (you are naive anyway, thinking you can objectively prove your point, you can't) with tech demos rather than actual gameplay. I know they have included most of those features, but use gameplay rather than tech demos that are designed to show the features to their best advantage.
The water is coming through the boat in that gif by the way...I think it is a hint that your ship is sinking.
VFX_Veteran
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The purpose of me using tech demos is the point out the "features" that make these games have next-gen qualities. Watching the gameplay is trivial.. just Youtube it and watch it. You can't point out ANY added features in KZ:SF that is not available in C3 or BF4 to make a point that it's technically superior. Not one.
Btw, I don't feel like wasting time posting gameplay gifs like this:
That are obviously technically superior to any KZ:SF gif to even argue a point. You will believe what you want to justify a purchase...
SniperHunter
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Its a bad idea to compare frost bite and cry engine with gg' engine. Crytek has shipped 5 cry engine games and are about to release the sixth. While a few games frost bite games have been released so far. Both studios have been working on either engines for a while. This is GGs first foray into next gen...give them a break
Reading these recent posts.
Two things pops into my mind.
1, Even if you have an uber-powerful PC, you get to play the same games console players have, because (sadly) PC have became a minority in gaming regarding profit.
2, Why is it that we admire an exclusive game in a thread, its graphics, its gameplay and there's always someone who comes up with Crysis 3. I mean OK I admit it, it looks gorgeous. ON a WASTLY more potent hardware configuration!!
It really must be a tremendously difficult process to create a game that looks 2 times better on a nearly 3 times more powerfull system.
Enough of this Crysis 3 shit please. This is a KZ topic.
Two things pops into my mind.
1, Even if you have an uber-powerful PC, you get to play the same games console players have, because (sadly) PC have became a minority in gaming regarding profit.
2, Why is it that we admire an exclusive game in a thread, its graphics, its gameplay and there's always someone who comes up with Crysis 3. I mean OK I admit it, it looks gorgeous. ON a WASTLY more potent hardware configuration!!
It really must be a tremendously difficult process to create a game that looks 2 times better on a nearly 3 times more powerfull system.
Enough of this Crysis 3 shit please. This is a KZ topic.
velociraptor
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News at 11: PC games have a higher graphical ceiling. No shit Sherlock.Dude, you are trolling the PC here. Anyone with a decent set of eyes can know that there is way more going on with C3 and BF4 than in this game. Are you really that delusional?
Just as a comparison: Compare this explosion:
With the KZ one:
Are you seriously saying that the KZ is on the same level as the BF4 explosion?? There isn't even any reaction to lighting when that grenade goes off in that room indicating static lighting in the room.
No. THESE are truly next-gen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9yVV6g3q7g
And Crysis 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWvgETOo5ek
I can name SEVERAL features in these demos that are non-existent in the KZ:SF game.
What GG have achieved with KZSF on the PS4 holds up very well to Crysis 3 and BF4.
The purpose of me using tech demos is the point out the "features" that make these games have next-gen qualities. Watching the gameplay is trivial.. just Youtube it and watch it. You can't point out ANY added features in KZ:SF that is not available in C3 or BF4 to make a point that it's technically superior. Not one.
Btw, I don't feel like wasting time posting gameplay gifs like this:
That are obviously technically superior to any KZ:SF gif to even argue a point. You will believe what you want to justify a purchase...
You do realize that was running on a high-end PC, don't you?
Also, I find the reflective surfaces of KZ way more impressive than the canned destruction of a plane.
VFX_Veteran
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I am not the one that started this ridiculous argument. I agree, why compare it to a more powerful platform? I would encourage you guys to go back and read the OP that instigated this ridiculous argument.
nelsonroyale
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Yeah, I am not exactly seeing what is supposed to be particularly impressive in that gif.
As for the Frostbite tech demo, aside from the destruction, not seeing much that is becoming standard in other next gen games (dynamic weather/water simulation, etc.).
Btw, I don't feel like wasting time posting gameplay gifs like this:
Why is this supposed to be impressive? You must be easily impressed.
VFX_Veteran
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Does this not count for anything? Apples to oranges my friend.
Those are very nice gameplay vids. However, they still show the lack of RT lighting of particles on surfaces and static non-destructive environments with little to no affect on surrounding geometry. You really can't compare the explosive reactions in BF4, particles lighting surfaces, and dynamic destruction with the explosions in KZ:SF. We all know there is a lot more going on in the graphics engine with BF4.
VFX_Veteran
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I can point out several things in that 1 gif that most game engines don't implement. So it's not that I'm easily impressed, more so that I critique stuff like this for a living.
Yawn. GG/ND/SSM would prob destroy DICE if they were allowed to develop on high end PC's. Not sure whats impressive about developing on PC's to be honest. It's so boring when there is no constraint. Makes comparisons meaningless. BF4 on PS4/Xbone and KZSF will be where the fun lies.
Kydd BlaZe
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How is that not impressive? The destruction, the particle effects, and the level of detail is beyond pretty much anything out there at the moment. BF4 looks great.
With that said though, Shadow Fall is blowing my mind as well.
Yep, the usual bullshit including Mr.PC.
Tell him to get a PC that cost 399 to build and show us it running his beloved stuff.
Well this thread took a turn for the awesome.
Somebody is upset that a chair doesn't get blow up when C4 takes out a wall. Somebody else is going to cancel their console preorder because the SP has an unlocked framerate. And then the cream of the crop: .gif comparisons between above pop-gun C4 explosion and an apocalyptic setpiece explosion from BF4.
Like I said, awesome.
Somebody is upset that a chair doesn't get blow up when C4 takes out a wall. Somebody else is going to cancel their console preorder because the SP has an unlocked framerate. And then the cream of the crop: .gif comparisons between above pop-gun C4 explosion and an apocalyptic setpiece explosion from BF4.
Like I said, awesome.
Sushen
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Please, elaborate more to explain what are those "several things" in that canned animation sequence if you're professional fx person as you claim.
Running on a machine with either a 7990 or 290x ....... cards alone that cost at least twice as much as a PS4.
His victories are hollow as fuck, show me it running on a PC (complete) at $399.
velociraptor
Junior Member
http://bf4central.com/2013/06/amd-battlefield-4-pc/
BF4 ran on dual 7970s in E3 (single player footage posted above).
CassidyIzABeast
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http://bf4central.com/2013/06/amd-battlefield-4-pc/
BF4 ran on dual 7990s in E3 (that single player reveal)
second pic is dual 7990s
Even worse, his absence from thread after being called out one these things speaks volumes.
Come on man, fighting ignorance with ignorance never works, especially when Star Citizen is shaping up to be the Crysis of the coming generation in regards to visuals.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Fixed; dual 7970s powered the E3 footage. Dual 7990s powered the original 'Fishing in Baku' footage.
Did you not see my gif?
Well, that's right, but I think it'll eventually come for PS4 too. (I hope because it looks damn fine)
maneil99
Member
The purpose of me using tech demos is the point out the "features" that make these games have next-gen qualities. Watching the gameplay is trivial.. just Youtube it and watch it. You can't point out ANY added features in KZ:SF that is not available in C3 or BF4 to make a point that it's technically superior. Not one.
Btw, I don't feel like wasting time posting gameplay gifs like this:
That are obviously technically superior to any KZ:SF gif to even argue a point. You will believe what you want to justify a purchase...
You realize most of those effects are scripted, as in if I crashed a plane it wouldn't look like that right?
Here's a new GIF. My favourite part as it shows what the future ought to bring for more open world type games:
KZ SF Vista (Warning: Large GIF file; ~68MB)
EDIT: Even those torn papers are actual geometry and cast shadows!
WordsintheWater
Member
Why does a console get compared to a PC in the first place, everyone knows PC's are capable of better graphics, let us console players be happy with the new tech we're getting in our consoles.
fastford58
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Oh hey...BF4 pcawesome spamming has entered yet another thread that has nothing to do with it.
When will this madness end?
When will this madness end?
I didn't actually
I guess the big hope from gamers who primarily play on console or dont want/cant afford a high end gaming PC was that next gen would be in line with PC, and over time PC would continue to widen the gap ie last gen.
PodcastFips
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Nah. Consoles have many advantages, but it's stupid to think that graphical superiority is one of them.