Do you turn off Game mode whenever you decide to watch other content? Or is it fine to have it in for everything.
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Do you turn off Game mode whenever you decide to watch other content? Or is it fine to have it in for everything.
Stillmatic
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thescience
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It's precisely that brightness that many will argue degrades the black levels, detail, etc. When ambient light is introduced. In no way should my, or anyone else's opinions be taken as absolute. Even when you measure numbers, something as subjective as colour representation and black level detail is never going to be the exact same for two pairs of eyes. It was in this "added ambient light" setting that I felt the st60 pulled ahead pretty clearly.
Additionally, I'd like to know how many people are going to have access to the light controlled environment 9/10. It's nice that some have the ability to build a home theatre room without light, but most people want these in their living rooms.
Anyway, the w900a is a fantastic set, no doubt, and has many advantages over the st60. But coming from someone who could afford both, I chose the st60 because of what I felt was a better class of black levels, colour representation, etc. This is a forum, and I always find it ridiculous that people can attack another person's opinion unless they preface it with IMO.
Trojita
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I want a source on this one.
Anyone have opinions on this Samsung 46"? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0071NWYP8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Looks like its going deep discount for the holidays and I might be tempted as the 40" Sony I've been considering is around the same price.
Looks like its going deep discount for the holidays and I might be tempted as the 40" Sony I've been considering is around the same price.
WonkyPanda
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Does CNET use the Bodnar test?
I stumbled on this article and was wondering what you guys though http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
I stumbled on this article and was wondering what you guys though http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
I was supposed to have mine today but I have been overlooked. Amazon used CEVA to do the delivery. Never heard of them before. Spoke with them a little bit ago and the guy said he was looking at my tv sitting on their dock.
WHOAguitarninja
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This is possibly valid, but will only ever account for a difference of no more 16 ms (one frame at 60hz) and in reality is probably closer to 8ms or less.
In short, if someone tells you a Plasma with a measured latency of 30ms feels faster than a LCD with a measure latency of 15ms, they're almost certainly full of it. If someone tells you that 30ms plasma feels closer to a LCD with latency of 25ms, then that's plausible.
So I'm OK to say that in no way is the ST60 in another class. IMO and opinion of reviewers (how did I do?). Depending on the review you read the ST just edges out the w900a or it is a toss up.
Adding ambient light gives the advantage to the LCD as it can just put out more light to overcome that disadvantage. You can actually see gray scale that isn't visible at all on plasmas in more brightly lit rooms. Hey, if someone only wants to optimize their picture when they can control all the lights in the area then definitely more power to them.
Can you find a source that puts the ST into a "whole other class"?
sandrockgundam04
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I was supposed to have mine today but I have been overlooked. Amazon used CEVA to do the delivery. Never heard of them before. Spoke with them a little bit ago and the guy said he was looking at my tv sitting on their dock.
Mine's slated for Friday, not sure who my carrier is just yet though.
WonkyPanda
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If that's the case, and the ms different is as small as you say, then the ST60 has some horrendous input lag.
Trojita
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I didn't make a statement that can't be backed up.
Why are you comparing the ST60 and W900A? One costs almost $1000 more than the other one. Shouldn't you be comparing the W900A to the VT60?
velociraptor
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What really pisses me off about LCD sets is how bad they handle motion.
I'm watching 24 on Netflix and it just looks horrible on my Samsung. When I watched it on my plasma, I was floored at how good the picture looked. Upscaling was great and motion resolution looked great. Even the black levels and colours were very impressive.
Are there any LED/LCD TVs that actually hold a candle to plasma TVs, or is this a technological problem?
How does OLED compare to plasma?
I'm watching 24 on Netflix and it just looks horrible on my Samsung. When I watched it on my plasma, I was floored at how good the picture looked. Upscaling was great and motion resolution looked great. Even the black levels and colours were very impressive.
Are there any LED/LCD TVs that actually hold a candle to plasma TVs, or is this a technological problem?
How does OLED compare to plasma?
I know that in the UK this model is called W653A, and here in Brazil it's branded as W655A.
I just bought one (42W655A), it should arrive here tomorrow, I'm really looking foward to play my games on it.
Will be converting my actual LCD TV, a LG 32LD650, as my new PC monitor.
Haha, did the same today
They deliver it also tomorrow. Kinda excited.piratepwnsninja
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Ok, so I have a Sharp Aquos 70le640u and I have a few questions someone in this thread may be able to answer.
First, what exactly is game mode doing? I do notice less input lag when using it, however, I have less control over certain options when game mode is enabled. Second, and this is from reading the Xbox One black/rgb thread. Is this "Full RGB Mode" something I can enable on my TV or no?
First, what exactly is game mode doing? I do notice less input lag when using it, however, I have less control over certain options when game mode is enabled. Second, and this is from reading the Xbox One black/rgb thread. Is this "Full RGB Mode" something I can enable on my TV or no?
No...someone else made the original comparison saying they could afford either and were cross-shopping them. I agree that the ST60 is a better picture quality value (as an entire package it is debatable though)...it just isn't in a different league in absolute terms. That was the statement originally made so maybe that is what you are asking to be backed up?
Or is it that high-end LCDs are superior once you introduce lighting into the environment? That part is commented on in most reviews and is also common sense...they can put out over 2x+ the light as a plasma (except the f8500 which puts out way more than other plasmas) so you can maintain grey-scale and color and just get a superior image in a more challenging environment than a home theater test lab.
Does anyone in this thread have any experience with the 50" and bigger M series TVs from Vizio? I'm very interested in buying one because of the priceerformance ratio and was wondering what kind of quality they were. I was thinking about the 50 or 55'' myself.
My other option is the 55" version of this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCGROFU/?tag=neogaf0e-20 The problem is that is above my budget by $200.
erformance ratio and was wondering what kind of quality they were. I was thinking about the 50 or 55'' myself. My other option is the 55" version of this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCGROFU/?tag=neogaf0e-20 The problem is that is above my budget by $200.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I was looking to get the exact same set. I'd be interested in hearing some more tv-saavy posters fill me in on any potential cons of the set because from what I saw displayed at Best Buy it had the most appealing image quality of any set there without taking 4k sets into account. I also acknowledge that the tvs may not be calibrated equally and things of that nature, though, so I'd like to get some feedback on it.
James Chilton
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You could always go with the ZT60 60", it's near the same price as the W900A (less AFAIK)
Oh thanks, so is it just the first number that indicates what TV it is and the 2nd and 3rd are region. Say the Sony 42" W670A and the Sony 42" W653A would be the same TV but different regions, but the 6 indicates it's the same TV.
Unknown Soldier
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I don't have a closet in my house that can fit the box for my 65VT60. Right now the box is sitting in a spare bedroom but I hate the smell of cardboard and I'm trying to find a solution for storing the goddamn box. I don't want to throw the box away because it's useful to have the box around for when/if I decide to move.
My basement isn't finished yet, so I've got the TV in the box, sitting along a wall in my kitchen. Needless to say, my wife is thrilled, lol.
Oh shit, so my friend/neighbour/coworker just told me he is selling his Panasonic plasma for $300. Is this worth it?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00752VLRC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00752VLRC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
iamshadowlark
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He said he was a gamer.The ZT60 is rated at 46ms lag in game mode. Horrible
Thats probably more of a set problem than anything. Alot of the high end LEDs handle motion fine. Also, I know its par fo the course on the internet but I think alot of people overstate the hell out of he PQ upgrade from LCD to Plasma. Its a step up for sure but nothing worth writing about. And for reference me and my budd upgraded from a Sony XBR to a Kuro a while back and were not impressed. The price advantage was the bigges gain we'd made.
I have had this tv for about a year now and love it. Great picture quality and the sound is actually quite good. Nice small bezel. The colors are quite accurate and it has good black levels and contrast. I don't notice much lag playing fighters and stuff but I'm no expert.
That's a steal.
Awesome thanks. This might be a perfect fit. Any negatives in your opinion?
46ms is somewhere in the range of 'average'.
Any experience with it that you can share? I'm not to familiar with Panasonic's quality tiers (and this one seems to be on the low end of things)
Well I wish it had more HDMI ports. I really can't think of anything else to be honest. For the price it is hard to beat.
iamshadowlark
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Eh, that depends on who you ask. 30 is the cutoff for me.
None, just the more recent VT60. But $300 is a bargain for a 50" Panasonic plasma, even a "low-end" model. It is kinda hurting for HDMI ports though, only 2.
James Chilton
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Welp, I bought it and walked it over from literally next door. Its AWESOME. My first HDTV. Thanks for your help!
dayam, what a deal.
Trying to decide between the Sony KDL-55w900a or the Sony KDL-55w802a. I haven't been able to find many comparisons between the two.
P.S. Don't tell me to get a Plasma. I already own a Panasonic GT series for my home theater / living room, and it isn't good for gaming.
P.S. Don't tell me to get a Plasma. I already own a Panasonic GT series for my home theater / living room, and it isn't good for gaming.
I just exchanged my W802a for another one because of a dead pixel, and this one has a big blotch on the screen -- at first I thought it was a smudge, but nope. It's above all content, right in the bottom right of the screen in the middle.
It's transparent (not a solid color) but it's whiteish like... someone spilled milk on the TV. Never seen this before.
The quality control for this TV is terrible, this is my 3rd set and all of them have had problems. I'm about to say "screw it" and get an ST60 despite the input lag. Of course, I had problems with the S60 too, but maybe they're not on the ST60, and the picture quality wasn't a problem. Are they completely different sets?
For someone who's tried the passive 3D of a LED TV, how does it compare to the active 3D on the ST60? Believe it or not, the only reason I've been trying to get a good w802a has been for its 3D (and price, I got it for really cheap).
It's transparent (not a solid color) but it's whiteish like... someone spilled milk on the TV. Never seen this before.
The quality control for this TV is terrible, this is my 3rd set and all of them have had problems. I'm about to say "screw it" and get an ST60 despite the input lag. Of course, I had problems with the S60 too, but maybe they're not on the ST60, and the picture quality wasn't a problem. Are they completely different sets?
For someone who's tried the passive 3D of a LED TV, how does it compare to the active 3D on the ST60? Believe it or not, the only reason I've been trying to get a good w802a has been for its 3D (and price, I got it for really cheap).
Passive 3D pops more than Active 3D, but the quality of picture is less.
Sounds like the w802a has clouding issues, return it for a different one, every electronic has manufacturing issues.
Yeah and active 3D flickers too.
Specifically, does the ST60 have good 3D that doesn't hurt your eyes? And in general, does the set not flicker like some plasmas do?
I have no flickering in my Plasma whatsoever. As for hurting your eyes, that's a personal thing and I haven't had those issues so can't answer that.
Edit: I do recommend an LCD/LED for gaming, and a Plasma for movie viewing. Why I am looking for a separate set.