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televator said:
It introduces input lag? Where are you reading this stuff? Everything I've read points to 4:4:4 mode reducing input lag...
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It was only one or two posts in the AVS forum thread for the s60. This doesn't seem like a feature that most owners of this model are concerned with so the results are quite few.

Either way turning on 1080p Pixel Direct clearly introduces some kind of image post processing which is liable to introduce some input lag. With some very basic non rigorous testing I am getting a bit more than 40ms of input lag. Which is slightly higher than what's the reported input lag for this model.
 
Lostconfused said:
It was only one or two posts in the AVS forum thread for the s60. This doesn't seem like a feature that most owners of this model are concerned with so the results are quite few.

Either way turning on 1080p Pixel Direct clearly introduces some kind of image post processing which is liable to introduce some input lag. With some very basic non rigorous testing I am getting a bit more than 40ms of input lag. Which is slightly higher than what's the reported input lag for this model.
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I guess that makes sense I mean it is "uncompressed." Come to think of it, I haven't done any HD gaming yet so I haven't tried pixel direct while gaming. SD content in game mode [which still requires scaling] seemed good and responsive.
 
televator said:
I guess that makes sense I mean it is "uncompressed." Come to think of it, I haven't done any HD gaming yet so I haven't tried pixel direct while gaming. SD content in game mode [which still requires scaling] seemed good and responsive.
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It shouldn't even matter for anything that's not a PC or maybe PS4 as the older consoles will output a 720p signal when running games and Pixel Direct will get disabled on its own I imagine.

Although I complain about input lag, I don't think I am really sensitive enough to consciously notice it. It hasn't really bothered me at all.
 
Lostconfused said:
It was only one or two posts in the AVS forum thread for the s60. This doesn't seem like a feature that most owners of this model are concerned with so the results are quite few.

Either way turning on 1080p Pixel Direct clearly introduces some kind of image post processing which is liable to introduce some input lag. With some very basic non rigorous testing I am getting a bit more than 40ms of input lag. Which is slightly higher than what's the reported input lag for this model.
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1080p Pure Direct actually skips a frame-processing step, chroma down-sampling from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2. I doubt it has much impact on input lag but it's a time savings of some kind.
 
Lostconfused said:
It shouldn't even matter for anything that's not a PC or maybe PS4 as the older consoles will output a 720p signal when running games and Pixel Direct will get disabled on its own I imagine.

Although I complain about input lag, I don't think I am really sensitive enough to consciously notice it. It hasn't really bothered me at all.
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Actually I just tried Okami HD on PS3. It's a 4K game downsampled to 1080p. Turned pixel direct on and off and didn't notice a difference, but OH MAI GAAAAAWWWWD! dat beautiful Okami art looks glorious on this TV! Like a whole new game. This was a PS2 game... un-fucking-bellievable!

*ahem* Anyway... Granted, Okami isn't the most timing intensive game. I'm gonna have to set up a PC game. Maybe I'll try out the Orange Box tomorrow.
 
bequietdrive said:
Just bit the bullet and ordered a Sony KDL42W654. Coincidentally this thread came up! I'm hoping gaf approves my choice, is meant to be very low lag latency and have a pretty boss picture.

Does anyone know if you can play video files off a usb on it?
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Yes. It should even support MKVs but I've had mixed success. It also has DLNA built in, so you can access servers - it sees my plex server directly, and if you have an iPhone/iPad you can browse Netflix/YouTube and send videos direct to the TV (much nicer than trying to search and navigate using a TVs remote)
 
I've been getting back to the classics this gen by playing some Uncharted 2 on the VT60. The game has no HUD of any kind except when you pull your gun out and then it shows your ammo remaining. It's the perfect game for me to be playing during the early life of my panel.

After that I might start into The Last of Us.
 
Got a beautiful new pic of my ST50 today, this is for sale and details can be easily found in my post history

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Unknown Soldier said:
1080p Pure Direct actually skips a frame-processing step, chroma down-sampling from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2. I doubt it has much impact on input lag but it's a time savings of some kind.
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With an RGB output from a console there should be no conversion on a TV like the ST/VT60 series. It goes from RGB to RGB.

As described by Panasonic, 1080p Pure Direct blows the output signal up to 30-bit YUV. I'm not sure how this works with RGB. But if it does as described, you will get a RGB to YCbCr 4:4:4 to RGB conversion. Surely this adds some lag.
 
amar212 said:
What can I do to minimise dithering on my Panasonic 65ST50?

It became annoying as hell.
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Problem with ST50 is it only has a low amount of gradation compared to the Panasonics higher up the food chain. ST50 only has 12,286 gradation steps compared to 24,576 on the GT50 and 30,720 for the VT60. This is why dithering is so much more prominent on the ST50, but is something that rarely gets talked about on here when comparing models.

From my brief experience with the ST50, I noticed that 'Normal' exhibited the most amount of dithering, so I'd try 'Cinema' or "True Cinema' (ST's THX equivalent mode) to see if that helps. Also dial down the contrast slightly and make sure you brightness is set to default to prevent dithering in the blacks.

My advice: get a VT60/VT65 before they sell out :)
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I've been getting back to the classics this gen by playing some Uncharted 2 on the VT60. The game has no HUD of any kind except when you pull your gun out and then it shows your ammo remaining. It's the perfect game for me to be playing during the early life of my panel.

After that I might start into The Last of Us.
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Assassin's Creed 4 is pretty good for this as you can turn off the majority of the hud so that only various notifications will pop up on screen when relevant.
 
Watched the Pacific Rim BR after two hours of adjusting settings to my new 60" ST60 last night and hooooly crap. The blacks, the colors, fuck me dead this is a good tv. Very glad I was able to pick one up before they're all gone.
 
ShipTheCheese said:
Watched the Pacific Rim BR after two hours of adjusting settings to my new 60" ST60 last night and hooooly crap. The blacks, the colors, fuck me dead this is a good tv. Very glad I was able to pick one up before they're all gone.
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It honestly kills me that I won't have the space to get one before they're gone.
 
After reading some impressions and into the input lag of the Panasonic ST60. I've decided that that will not be my next TV. I've mimicked the input lag and it is on the border of unplayable for me. So I'm not spending €700 on that. As much as I love to pick the VT60 instead it's simply to far out of my budget. So I've decided that I'll be going for the GT60.
 
Caayn said:
After reading some impressions and into the input lag of the Panasonic ST60. I've decided that that will not be my next TV. I've mimicked the input lag and it is on the border of unplayable for me. So I'm not spending €700 on that. As much as I love to pick the VT60 instead it's simply to far out of my budget. So I've decided that I'll be going for the GT60.
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Yep. Exact reason I'm waiting on something else coming along as well. If I'm spending this kind of money, I better get everything i want out of it.
 
Caayn said:
After reading some impressions and into the input lag of the Panasonic ST60. I've decided that that will not be my next TV. I've mimicked the input lag and it is on the border of unplayable for me. So I'm not spending €700 on that. As much as I love to pick the VT60 instead it's simply to far out of my budget. So I've decided that I'll be going for the GT60.
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The difference in price between the 50" GT60 and the 50" VT60 is "minimal" here. Like 150-200€. I'm in a similar situation, but leaning towards the VT60. The GT60 is fanless, which is a significant plus in my book, while the VT60 has more gradient steps, which should help with dithering, right? I'll be sitting 1,8-2m away from the set.
 
VT60 60" is almost $1600. I'm so close to biting, especially because I can sell my 50" S64 for a profit.

People really, really want the S64 on Craigslist. Dat ST60 anti-glare filter...
 
cackhyena said:
Yep. Exact reason I'm waiting on something else coming along as well. If I'm spending this kind of money, I better get everything i want out of it.
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Indeed. If I'm spending that much money on something it must be something that I can use for years and won't regret after a week.
Zabojnik said:
The difference in price between the 50" GT60 and the 50" VT60 is "minimal" here. Like 150-200€. I'm in a similar situation, but leaning towards the VT60. The GT60 is fanless, which is a significant plus in my book, while the VT60 has more gradient steps, which should help with dithering, right? I'll be sitting 1,8-2m away from the set.
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The difference is really big here, looking at the smallest sizes. For a 42'' GT60 I'll pay €1100 and for a 50" VT60 I'll need to pay €1600. With the GT60 I'm already over my original budget, and I don't want to increase my budget again.

Edit: Got the model size mixed up fixed that.

The difference between both 50" models is about €300 here.
 
Zabojnik said:
Don't you mean 2600$? The VT60 55" is 3300 dollars (2400€+) here.

The difference in US / EU prices for TVs is fucking criminal. How are they getting away with this shit?
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60" VT60 is $1,800 in the states. Don't know where he got $1,600 from unless he meant the 55" which is $1,600.
 
Zabojnik said:
Don't you mean 2600$? The VT60 55" is 3300 dollars (2400€+) here.

The difference in US / EU prices for TVs is fucking criminal. How are they getting away with this shit?
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Probable with the same excuse that the gaming industry uses to make consoles/games etc way more expensive in the EU than the US.

Btw the cheapest VT60 55" I can find costs € 2.098,- here.
 
Been with this 50S60 for 3 months now and I adore it. Now that the picture has broken in and I WOW calibrated it, it looks soo much better than anything I've ever had before in my life.


cackhyena said:
Yep. Exact reason I'm waiting on something else coming along as well. If I'm spending this kind of money, I better get everything i want out of it.
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S60 is what I bought. PQ wasn't as good (but still great) but the input lag is 100% fine for me.
 
Zabojnik said:
Don't you mean 2600$? The VT60 55" is 3300 dollars (2400€+) here.

The difference in US / EU prices for TVs is fucking criminal. How are they getting away with this shit?
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Nope. Amazon was PM'ing another site and selling them for $1639 this weekend. Deal is still going too.
 
I can get the Sony 42W655 for $580 or so, I guess that's a good enough deal. No 3D, but over time I've grown to care about that as much as movie directors do, so not all that much. :P
 
Emarv said:
Been with this 50S60 for 3 months now and I adore it. Now that the picture has broken in and I WOW calibrated it, it looks soo much better than anything I've ever had before in my life.




S60 is what I bought. PQ wasn't as good (but still great) but the input lag is 100% fine for me.
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? How much did that run you? Eddie, you a broke ass college student, you can't be spending like that, I'm tellin. Also, I play SF4 on a 2ms lag ASUS monitor. To have the lag this tv does is suuuper noticeable to me. I'm all for everything else it does, but that lag.
 
cackhyena said:
? How much did that run you? Eddie, you a broke ass college student, you can't be spending like that, I'm tellin. Also, I play SF4 on a 2ms lag ASUS monitor. To have the lag this tv does is suuuper noticeable to me. I'm all for everything else it does, but that lag.
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$600 at the time but it's harder to find now. That was the iPad credit I was talking about. Most sites have the S60 at like 34ms, I think. So if you can notice 2ms on the tv (and not just from the router or something) then yeah. Stay away. But FPS' are perfectly fine for a casual like me.
 
cackhyena said:
Oh, I thought we were talking about this tv the whole time. My b. It's what i was eying up till I saw this. Your lag is totally within normal range for a tv.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55st60/4505-6482_7-35567256.html
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Yeah. ST60 was out of my price range, and the input lag made it easier to compromise on the S60.

If there's one thing I don't like about this TV, it's the 2 HDMI ports. I'm probably gonna start looking into some sort of switcher.
 
clutch.as.it.gets. said:
And what about the gt model?
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GT60 is a VT60 lite. Only differences are really down to levels of gradation (24.576 vs 30720) and Contrast/AntiGlare filters being the ones from ST60 (Infinite Black Pro/High Contrast Filter) rather than the ones from VT60 (Infinite Black Ultra/High Contrast Filter Pro). And availability ends at 50" for obvious market cannibalism counter-measures. It also has passive cooling and less accessories (VT60's in europe bring two 3D glasses, a better backlit controller and the touchpad controller); all in all, not much.

Down to chips it's the very same thing as it's bigger brother, dual core Uniphier (Panasonic) Cortex-A9's @ 1.4 GHz, the so called "Hexa Processing Engine".


If I had extra money to burn I'd probably buy a 42GT60 for my gaming room; if it was a 50" then they're close in value so I might have went with a VT60, but I don't think improvements will be that noticeable at all.
 
My main fear with Plasmas is the amount of heat they pump out. That may not seem like a big deal to most, but here in Florida , in my two story home, anything that pumps out heat and taxes my air conditioner is a problem.

How much heat does the VT60 pump out? Should I be concerned and compromise by getting a TV from the Samsung UNF80000 series?
 
lostinblue said:
GT60 is a VT60 lite.

Down to chips it's the very same thing as it's bigger brother, dual core Uniphier (Panasonic) Cortex-A9's @ 1.4 GHz.


If I had extra money to burn I'd probably buy a 42GT60 for my gaming room.
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Thanks. So 1080p Pure Direct should be fine on the gt? No oversharpening like the st? The gt also has the hexa processor right?
 
clutch.as.it.gets. said:
Thanks. So 1080p Pure Direct should be fine on the gt? No oversharpening like the st? The gt also has the hexa processor right?
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Yup, GT60 is for all means and purposes a passive VT60 with slightly less steps of gradation (but in line with last years VT50)

It's a suberb TV set providing it's purchased for less than the market value of a VT60.
 
lostinblue said:
Yup, GT60 is for all means and purposes a passive VT60 with slightly less steps of gradation (but in line with last years VT50)

It's a suberb TV set providing it's purchased for less than the market value of a VT60.
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Thanks. My friend has a vt 60 and the picture is awsome, but for my gaming room a 42 panel is big enough. I think a 50 panel could be too big, because even with 1080p resolutions viewing distance still matters - so i think the 42gt60 would be a great choice for me.

On more question: most people say to go with the color temperature warm for the pana plasmas, but when comparing to my eizo monitor that runs a 6500k i thing warm is a little bit too warm, while normal is a little bit colder compared to my eizo mintor.

What´s your take on that.

And the last one: My friend is using his vt only during night time and runs it with contrast 50 and we both think that looks great and is enough, but cnet and other side always talk about putting the contrast at 80, but we thing thats much too high and not necessary.

Also: HDMI content type is on auto, is that ok so? And if you check auto, everything is marked except cinema (thats default). Why is that and should be cinema marked as well?
 
clutch.as.it.gets. said:
Thanks. My friend has a vt 60 and the picture is awsome, but for my gaming room a 42 panel is big enough. I think a 50 panel could be too big, because even with 1080p resolutions viewing distance still matters - so i think the 42gt60 would be a great choice for me.
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I have the 50" GT60 and play games on my TV with a distance of 1-1.5m :D

No problem ;)
 
BloodMoney said:
Sony and Panasonic exit joint venture to develop future OLED televisions, citing technical difficulties/expense.
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Welp.

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WOW->
U.S. research firm NPD DisplaySearch downgraded its global shipment estimates for OLED TVs on Tuesday, cutting this year's figure to 5,000 from 20,000 and 2017's forecast to 4 million from 9 million.

Meanwhile, 4K TVs, which boast four times the resolution of high-definition displays, are rapidly taking off, with 1.95 million units shipped this year, according to DisplaySearch. The firm expects this figure to reach 60.65 million by 2017, accounting for more than 20% of all LCD TVs.
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