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[tronic307]

On more question: most people say to go with the color temperature warm for the pana plasmas, but when comparing to my eizo monitor that runs a 6500k i thing warm is a little bit too warm, while normal is a little bit colder compared to my eizo mintor.

D65 is not an equal energy radiator; its x,y coordinates are x=.313, y=.329, with a pleasant aquamarine hue. Equal energy, or flat spectrum would be x=.333, y=.333; around 5454K. While Illuminant E gives the widest possible gamut for a given set of RGB primaries, it lacks blue and especially green when compared to the source of light our eyes are tuned to, the Sun, which has an average surface temperature, and thus a color temperature of 5778K. This is the reference white point of astrophotography.

Despite what you see on the science shows, the Sun is white, actually peaking in the green. It only looks yellow from Earth due to atmospheric scattering of blue light.

 

[TalentBurke]

I'm so sick of mid tier models getting forgotten in the US. We want decent PQ at a decent price too.

You can always import it. The Sony 42W670 is a multisystem tv so you can use it just about anywhere in the world. I live in Brooklyn and I own one, didn't even cost anything extra.

 

[cilonen]

I believe Panasonic has already stopped manufacture of new PDPs and without panels you can't build TVs. So it's safe to say that plasma TV production has effectively ended at Panasonic, so when the last ones are gone, they are gone forever.

Yeah this is why I bit the bullet and jumped. Panasonic /. Matsushita already pulled this trick on me once with the discontinuation of Technics 1200/1210's and if I'd known I would have bought another pair to keep safe. I wasn't going to make the same mistake twice.

 

[ShipTheCheese]

I believe Panasonic has already stopped manufacture of new PDPs and without panels you can't build TVs. So it's safe to say that plasma TV production has effectively ended at Panasonic, so when the last ones are gone, they are gone forever.

So sad. I would recommend Panny plasma's to everyone I know, but they'll all be gone before we know it

 

[Dawg]

Does the Sony W655 support usb media? As in, mkv movie files etc etc? My samsung did, but want to know about the Sony W65x

 

[burnfout]

So regarding the input lag on the ST60, I currently have a 08-09 Panasonic Plasma V10. I cannot for the life of me find the input lag on that TV.

Will the ST60 be better of worse than that 4/5 year old one?


Also since Panasonic stopped manafacturing panels, what happens if my ST60 panel breaks in 5 years? How is the warranty handled?

Thanks!

 

[TalentBurke]

Does the Sony W655 support usb media? As in, mkv movie files etc etc? My samsung did, but want to know about the Sony W65x

Yes it does

 

[demosthenes]

So regarding the input lag on the ST60, I currently have a 08-09 Panasonic Plasma V10. I cannot for the life of me find the input lag on that TV.

Will the ST60 be better of worse than that 4/5 year old one?


Also since Panasonic stopped manafacturing panels, what happens if my ST60 panel breaks in 5 years? How is the warranty handled?

Thanks!

Warranty is 1 year. They would pay a local tech to fix your TV. If it was broken I imagine you would get your money back.

 

[lostinblue]

So regarding the input lag on the ST60, I currently have a 08-09 Panasonic Plasma V10. I cannot for the life of me find the input lag on that TV.

Will the ST60 be better of worse than that 4/5 year old one?


Also since Panasonic stopped manafacturing panels, what happens if my ST60 panel breaks in 5 years? How is the warranty handled?

Thanks!

way worse, lag for V10 was 16ms.

plasmas were never lagged, ST60 only lags due to third party chips alone.

In regards to warranty, it is handled like a S10 in repair today, they should still have parts for it providing its not the panel.

 

[demosthenes]

way worse, lag for V10 was 16ms.

plasmas were never lagged, ST60 only lags due to third party chips alone.

In regards to warranty, it is handled like a S10 in repair today, they should still have parts for it providing its not the panel.

I own a V10 and I never really noticed lag on it or had problems with it. If only the freaking blacks didn't rise I would use this TV until it's dying day.

 

[Quixzlizx]

I saw mention of a Panasonic 42GT60 earlier in the thread, but it doesn't seem to exist for sale on Google. Is it a Europe-only model?

 

[Pociask]

I know this thread is for the best tv for next gen gaming, but is anybody willing to offer some advice on reliable budget HD tvs? I am hoping to get something 1080p, on sale during model-year-end clearance, in the 42 inch range. Can I get something that won't die in a year like that for around $300 or less (I'm in the US)? I've seen some people selling their old Vizio's, but from what I've been able to research, their build quality can be hit or miss.

Quick edit: Ideally, it would also have multiple component inputs, and a vga input (and of course hdmi input).

 

[Lostconfused]

Might as well ask this here. Anyone have under-scan issues with a slim PS2 on Panasonic plasma TVs? On my S60 there are thin black lines between the image being displayed by the PS2 and the 4:3 light bars on the sides. This happened with a composite and component cable connections.

 

[lostinblue]

Might as well ask this here. Anyone have under-scan issues with a slim PS2 on Panasonic plasma TVs? On my S60 there are thin black lines between the image being displayed by the PS2 and the 4:3 light bars on the sides. This happened with a composite and component cable connections.

do you live in the PAL-lands? From the S60 I'm guessing no.

But if you do, or the ps2 and it's games are PAL, it's a normal thing on bad 50hz conversions. It's not detected as such because unlike the other example, where black bars are actually not part of the source and it's just that it's running on 512x448 or so (ie: not full buffers) hence easy to detect and correct, that doesn't happen with lousy pal conversions though, and by lousy we're talking most of them. You need a geometry regulator to fix that.

Does it happen on all games? And which cables are you using?

I saw mention of a Panasonic 42GT60 earlier in the thread, but it doesn't seem to exist for sale on Google. Is it a Europe-only model?

Yes it is.

 

[Caayn]

Whooo just bought my Panasonic 42GT60, was able to get it for €960,- including home delivery. The wait begins

Thanks guys for helping me decide.

 

[jett]

I've began noticing some vertical banding on the 42W655, sigh, I'll just have to deal it with I guess.

 

[JB1981]

I've began noticing some vertical banding on the 42W655, sigh, I'll just have to deal it with I guess.

Chill and enjoy your tv. All Tvs have "issues"

 

[jett]

Chill and enjoy your tv. All Tvs have "issues"

Yeah I'm totally doing that. Content really does look fantastic on it. Lawrence of Arabia looks marvelous.

 

[DJ Lushious]

My main fear with Plasmas is the amount of heat they pump out. That may not seem like a big deal to most, but here in Florida , in my two story home, anything that pumps out heat and taxes my air conditioner is a problem.

How much heat does the VT60 pump out? Should I be concerned and compromise by getting a TV from the Samsung UNF80000 series?

Expect about as much heat from a plasma as you got from an old CRT. Not that they are exactly the same, but it will give you an idea.

 

[JB1981]

Yeah I'm totally doing that. Content really does look fantastic on it. Lawrence of Arabia looks marvelous.

I went to Sears a few days ago to check out the 47" and I instantly fell in love. I currently own a Panasonic PZ85u plasma and though this Sony model LCD beat the pants off it. The image quality is incredible. I am going to buy one very soon I think.

Also if you have any 60fps games to play check out this link http://www.blurbusters.com/new-sony-hdtvs-with-motionflow-impulse-sony-lightboost-equivalent/

 

[jett]

I went to Sears a few days ago to check out the 47" and I instantly fell in love. I currently own a Panasonic PZ85u plasma and though this Sony model LCD beat the pants off it. The image quality is incredible. I am going to buy one very soon I think.

Also if you have any 60fps games to play check out this link http://www.blurbusters.com/new-sony-hdtvs-with-motionflow-impulse-sony-lightboost-equivalent/

The equivalent on my TV darkens the image too much, to the point of being unusable. It's interesting though. However, I might be too used to the LCD smear at this point in my life. I tried out an old 2D game(which are prone to suffer the most from it), Mega Man 9, and it really wasn't that much of a difference, but you could tell the enemies soaring through the sky looked clearer.

If there was no brightness loss I'd definitely have it on at all times though.

 

[JB1981]

The equivalent on my TV darkens the image too much, to the point of being unusable. It's interesting though. However, I might be too used to the LCD smear at this point in my life. I tried out an old 2D game(which are prone to suffer the most from it), Mega Man 9, and it really wasn't that much of a difference, but you could tell the enemies soaring through the sky looked clearer.

If there was no brightness loss I'd definitely have it on at all times though.

did you do this?

TIP: Make sure you turn OFF the ambient light sensor to obtain a brighter picture during Sony Motionflow Impulse! This will prevent the TV from dimming the picture.

 

[demosthenes]

I found a really great source on the V10 and rising blacks. This DRIVES me crazy.

This is what my TV looked like when I got it:

This is what it looks like now:

Source:http://panasonic.mironto.sk/

 

[Quixzlizx]

Yes it is.

That really sucks. Does Panasonic think Americans don't want quality TVs in non-living rooms?

 

[Waldo Lydecker]

OLED's dead, baby. OLED's dead.

Not shocked being it's now where LCD was in the early 90's. It was going to be another 5 - 10 years before it became viable for consumer TVs.

First SED, now OLED. What hope is left on the self-emitting pixel front?

Wait, what? OLED is dead? You can't be serious. If so I will be a sad panda.

I have a 6 year old Sony LCD TV and it is a fine TV with for a LCD tv great black levels but there will be a day I 'll need a new one because TV's don't live for ever.

I have seen this Panasonic ST60 and it looks like a mighty fine television (only 700 euro here in the Netherlands!) with great black levels but now I keep hearing stories about awful lag making it a bad choice for games. Is this true?

 

[jett]

did you do this?

TIP: Make sure you turn OFF the ambient light sensor to obtain a brighter picture during Sony Motionflow Impulse! This will prevent the TV from dimming the picture.

I did that, it really is really dark.

 

[CoG]

Wait, what? OLED is dead? You can't be serious. If so I will be a sad panda.

I have a 6 year old Sony LCD TV and it is a fine TV with for a LCD tv great black levels but there will be a day I 'll need a new one because TV's don't live for ever.

I have seen this Panasonic ST60 and it looks like a mighty fine television (only 700 euro here in the Netherlands!) with great black levels but now I keep hearing stories about awful lag making it a bad choice for games. Is this true?

Calling it dead is hyperbole but the state it's in now is not great. Worse IR problems than plasma and pixels that age unevenly. There's a *lot* to work out with the technology before I would ever consider buying a set. The industry seems pretty happy with LCD/LED so I think we're stuck with it for at least the short while.

 

[Caayn]

That really sucks. Does Panasonic think Americans don't want quality TVs in non-living rooms?

Be glad that you pay way less for the same TV then we do here in Europe. The VT60 series for example is costs almost twice as much here than if you buy it in the US.

 

[CoG]

Anyone seeing IR even when using opacity with HUDs? I try to set opacity to a really low value, like under 50% but long gaming sessions can still leave IR on some HUDs.

 

[Ateron]

I did that, it really is really dark.

That effect also adds some flickering to the image, so I guess it's best to avoid it altogether.

It's too bad there's no options for intensity, if we could set it to something like Low it would be less noticeable.

I have the same model as you, and I've noticed the same banding problem you refer, and I've gone through 2 models and seen a third one on a friend's place. I guess it's one of those things we have to accept, only way to get rid of it is to buy a plasma, but then again, if you buy a plasma you gotta buy a really good one and even then, some problems might arise.

I'm more than happy with the set's PQ though, and I just can't see myself buying another tv with higher input lag. It's so low that I think it's worth it.

There are two ways to minimize the banding, even though some people might not like the results: try to set the backlight around 4-6, or activate the dynamic contrast enhancer (I know, I know, it wrecks the colours and any purist worth his salt hates it, but it helps masking that problem). Clear skies and pastel colours with simple patterns/textures have become my bane but I'm beginning to adjust to it. It sure helps that every fucking lcd/led out there has the same problem, you just gotta look for it.

Still love the tv, though.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Wait, what? OLED is dead? You can't be serious. If so I will be a sad panda.

I have a 6 year old Sony LCD TV and it is a fine TV with for a LCD tv great black levels but there will be a day I 'll need a new one because TV's don't live for ever.

I have seen this Panasonic ST60 and it looks like a mighty fine television (only 700 euro here in the Netherlands!) with great black levels but now I keep hearing stories about awful lag making it a bad choice for games. Is this true?

It's no dead. Just Sony & Panasonic will be holding back on OLED due to bad business decisions, but Samsung & LG will be going full steam ahead. They even recently dropped the price from their 55" models from something like $7,000 to $4,000 or something.

2014 will have a sub $3,000 OLED available, bank on it,

D65 is not an equal energy radiator; its x,y coordinates are x=.313, y=.329, with a pleasant aquamarine hue. Equal energy, or flat spectrum would be x=.333, y=.333; around 5454K. While Illuminant E gives the widest possible gamut for a given set of RGB primaries, it lacks blue and especially green when compared to the source of light our eyes are tuned to, the Sun, which has an average surface temperature, and thus a color temperature of 5778K. This is the reference white point of astrophotography.

Despite what you see on the science shows, the Sun is white, actually peaking in the green. It only looks yellow on Earth due to atmospheric scattering of blue light.

So TV sets should be set to 5778K instead of 6500K?

 

[JB1981]

I did that, it really is really dark.

Damn that is too bad. I was looking forward to that feature.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Damn that is too bad. I was looking forward to that feature.

Apparently it sets the backlight to close to it's lowest.
Don't know why they do that when Nvidia's solution actually increases light output.

 

[burnfout]

Wait, what? OLED is dead? You can't be serious. If so I will be a sad panda.

I have a 6 year old Sony LCD TV and it is a fine TV with for a LCD tv great black levels but there will be a day I 'll need a new one because TV's don't live for ever.

I have seen this Panasonic ST60 and it looks like a mighty fine television (only 700 euro here in the Netherlands!) with great black levels but now I keep hearing stories about awful lag making it a bad choice for games. Is this true?

ST60 for 700 euro here? Where? And what size? I am looking for this one.

Edit: oh the 42 inch, nobody wants that

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So TV sets should be set to 5778K instead of 6500K?

No, because D65 is the declared standard and TVs should calibrate to that to match the color temperature the people who are making the movies are using.

D65 is the color of the Sun over Europe at noon in summer or something like that. The color of the Sun in the vacuum of space is irrelevant because we aren't in space, we're on Earth.

 

[Lostconfused]

Does it happen on all games? And which cables are you using?

I am using belkin branded composite cables. Its an NTSC system and the black bars show up in the system level menu/browser. I haven't tried more than one game, should try a few others I guess.

 

[jett]

Damn that is too bad. I was looking forward to that feature.

Yeah, no dice. I set the backlight to maximum, and it was still too dark. Then I set the brightness to max, but obviously that just looked fucked up.

It's awesome tech though, Sony is getting really close to defeating one of the major LCD deficiencies, hopefully they can improve it further. Aside from brightness loss, the other drawbacks I've seen are some ghosting and yellow trails. I tried some Guacamelee on my PS3 and the difference was notable, I could read every sign in the background as I was moving around. It was like a CRT! It's just a shame about the brightness, it makes it unusable.

 

[Black Republican]

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...033&path=a0537dd1c971c2e35ca08c7d2c82cdd6en02

i know its not true 120hz but do yall think overall its good for gaming at that size/price/brand etc

 

[Infinite Xero]

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...033&path=a0537dd1c971c2e35ca08c7d2c82cdd6en02

i know its not true 120hz but do yall think overall its good for gaming at that size/price/brand etc

Take a look at Vizio's E series and, if possible, wait for the 2014 models.

 

[Black Republican]

yeah was thinking about waiting for 2014 models, what month on average do they usually release them for say 39inch-46inch type models? around every march - june?

 

[pocketaces]

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[Mattlikewhoa]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-P42X60B-42-inch-Freeview-Plasma/dp/B00BMQA71S/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1388585281&sr=8-11&keywords=plasma


Thinking of buying this. It's pretty cheap, but i'm not sure about the 720p. Does it really matter at the moment?

Save up a bit more and buy a 1080P set... You're buying some aged tech, that's been repackaged into a smaller housing...

 

[mrklaw]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-P42X60B-42-inch-Freeview-Plasma/dp/B00BMQA71S/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1388585281&sr=8-11&keywords=plasma


Thinking of buying this. It's pretty cheap, but i'm not sure about the 720p. Does it really matter at the moment?

You should definitely look at 1080p as a baseline - some great prices out there in the sales, should be able to get a decent 40" 1080p LCD for £300

Edit : Sony 40R473 for £349 from richer sounds? http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/sony/bravia-kdl40r473a/sony-kdl40r473abu

 

[TheKingOfPain]

Whooo just bought my Panasonic 42GT60, was able to get it for €960,- including home delivery. The wait begins

Thanks guys for helping me decide.

May I ask where? Here the lowest price is 1145€ delivery included

 

[big_z]

I found a really great source on the V10 and rising blacks. This DRIVES me crazy.




Source:http://panasonic.mironto.sk/

I wish there was an easy way to do this. Its the one thing that bugs me about my pz800.

 

[Infinite Xero]

yeah was thinking about waiting for 2014 models, what month on average do they usually release them for say 39inch-46inch type models? around every march - june?

I believe it is Q1 or Q2 so that timeframe is about right.

 

[Caayn]

May I ask where? Here the lowest price is 1145€ delivery included

At Media Markt in The Netherlands. Have a chat with the sales person. Act dumb, but not to dumb and get the conversation into the direction/TV that you want. The salesmen threw in the free delivery, as an apology, because he made a mistake in the order and needed to redo the entire thing.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Hey guys, i know a lot of you in this thread have a panasonic plasma and i have a question about 1080p pure direct (present in last years gt50-vt50 models) and guessing this year models too? I have already tested the ps3,xbox one, the wii u and they all support 4:4:4 chroma. This is the image i used to test it:

So the 1080p pure direct feature actually does 2 things : activates YUV 30 bit, and 4:4:4 chroma mode. I don't care about the yuv part, i only care about playing with 4:4:4 chroma in rgb mode. Unfortunately this is where the problem starts happening. Since the consoles output a RGB signal, turning the 1080p pure direct does enable 4:4:4 mode, but messes up the colors because it converts RGB->YUV->RGB again. This is the image i use to tell the difference:

Pay attention to Simon's hair color, now switch 1080p pure direct on/off to see the difference. You will notice that when off, the hair will look red (as it should) with the setting turned on, you will notice the hair acquires a reddish-orange color to it. Chadb mentioned this in one of his reviews

As with the VT50, 1080P Pure Direct eliminates a Y/C delay-like effect, thereby sharpening color transitions. It is good to turn it on if you are certain your input source is sending a YcbCr color space, either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4. However, if the source is RGB color space, it degrades the color decoding and the degradation is more visible than the improvement. It should be left off if you do not know what color space your sources output.
http://www.avsforum.com/products/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-60-inch-3d-smart-plasma-hdtv/reviews/4061

Has anybody found a solution to to activate 4:4:4 mode in RGB without messing up the colors? Maybe using a component cable and outputting a 1080p signal?

 

[lostinblue]

Hey guys, i know a lot of you in this thread have a panasonic plasma and i have a question about 1080p pure direct (present in last years gt50-vt50 models) and guessing this year models too? I have already tested the ps3,xbox one, the wii u and they all support 4:4:4 chroma.

So the 1080p pure direct feature actually does 2 things : activates YUV 30 bit, and 4:4:4 chroma mode. I don't care about the yuv part, i only care about playing with 4:4:4 chroma in rgb mode. Unfortunately this is where the problem starts happening. Since the consoles output a RGB signal, turning the 1080p pure direct does enable 4:4:4 mode, but messes up the colors because it converts RGB->YUV->RGB again.

Have you toggled with HDMI Content Type settings yet?

Try and force something other than the default.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

I need a mount, for my Samsung 55".