Video game sequel from different developer that surpass original game ?
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reptilescorpio
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The Darkness 2. Awesome game. First game was great but I found the sequel to be even better.
I thought it was always a new IP but it had True Crime slapped onto it to keep it alive at Activision?
I thought it was always a new IP but it had True Crime slapped onto it to keep it alive at Activision?
No, they only changed the name once Square Enix bought the game.
Easy: KoTOR2, Neverwinter Nights 2 and Fallout New Vegas (compared to 3). Maybe even Dungeon Siege 3, but I really liked Dungeon Siege 1, so not sure if the third one is better.
Bioware should have continued the "tradition" of giving Obsidian their sequels... Mass Effect 2&3 and Dragon Age 2 would have been glorious games.
Bioware should have continued the "tradition" of giving Obsidian their sequels... Mass Effect 2&3 and Dragon Age 2 would have been glorious games.
reptilescorpio
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Ah. Oddly I found the article I was thinking of where they referred to it as being an original IP before it was revamped as True Crime.
Well, this is an amazing first reply.
Yeah, that one's just in a weird position. I guess you could chalk it up to as a sequel to Bethesda's Fallout whereas if you factored in Fallout 1 and 2 that makes Fallout 3 look more like the Call of Duty 3 of the series or whatever, some random other developer got to make a numbered sequel instead of the original developer. Although I guess if you actually DID get that newer Black Isle to do a new Fallout it would turn out about the same as CoD:Ghosts seemingly did...
Anyways, Metroid Prime I'm hesitant to say is BETTER but it's probably the one that's best able to stand toe to toe with its predecessor as being equally great but maybe in different ways, and Bioshock 2 IS a game that I did like as much as the original game (and given the time frame probably does make it the better game) though given how much of that was original Bioshock talent that does put it in kind of an odd position I guess.
F-Zero GX seems to be the more unambiguous winner though: whether or not it's your personal favorite sequel from another developer it IS possibly the one that's the clearest out and out improvement. Partially but not screwing with the formula much admittedly, but finally playing F-Zero X via VC purchase (unless I rented it and completely forgot about the experience, entirely possible!) it was just boring after having played F-Zero GX to the point of actually beating story mode.
Meh, I didn't care for it much. Maybe I just outgrew Waverace by then, but I expected to really like it like I did the N64 game, but I just did badly at it and ended up never liking it much.I am very surprised no one has mentioned this yet.
NST did an amazing job.
Expected this to be the first post...
...but oh, this is so much better.
Triggerhappytel
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While I don't necessarily think it's better than Super Metroid, it's certainly as good, and just about as perfect as possible with the series' move to 3D and first person.
I can't really think of any others which are outright better. Hoping for good things for the new Shadow of the Beast, which will presumably release this year, although I think that's a case of the actual quality of the originals being elevated through nostalgia.
oconnomiyaki
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No. I love Halo 4. It's not better than Halo or Halo 3. It is better than Halo 2, though. Probably tied with Reach.
striferser
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correct answer
ElectricBanquet
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Some may argue this, but I do think Soul Reaver is better than the original Legacy of Kain.
Night_Trekker
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So glad not to see anyone trying to claim the later Silent Hill games are better than the original first 3 (and arguably, IMO, 4).
lol @ the Castlevania: Lord of Shadows mention. I'm playing it now for the first time, and I love it (weak writing aside... I'm ashamed Stewart had to read some of that shit aloud). But arguably it's not much of a Castlevania game, regardless of the name.
lol @ the Castlevania: Lord of Shadows mention. I'm playing it now for the first time, and I love it (weak writing aside... I'm ashamed Stewart had to read some of that shit aloud). But arguably it's not much of a Castlevania game, regardless of the name.
Rhazer Fusion
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Call me crazy. I actually liked Halo 4 the best out of all of them I think.
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Garcia
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jeffrockz312
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Drakengard 3.
XANDER CAGE
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The Darkness 2 might not have as good a story as Starbreeze's original game, but it's certainly a lot more fun.
PirateKing
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Same director as original Drakengard and Nier. Also, it only came out in Japan so far.
jeffrockz312
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Besides the director and the composer it's a totally new dev.
Well .. yeah old 3D Castlevania games represent the 2D games better then Lord of Shadows but
"for me" Lord of Shadows is far better game compared to the previous 3D Castlevania games
Robot Pants
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This is a pretty good one, but it only does certain things better. A lot of things, but BioShock 1 is still better overall in my book.
Still a good answer.
DmC and Lords of Shadow are awful answers.
Probably the best answer.
Metroid Prime - The 2D metroid games are incredibly monotonous and repetitive. I always laugh when people praise them for their exploration. Prime completely blows away all the previous efforts in that mostly shitty series.
KOTOR 2 (with the restoration mod) & Fallout: New Vegas. KOTOR 1 was already damn good but Obsidian did it so much better. With FO: NV it was a little different. I did not enjoy FO3 at all but loved what Obsidian did with the IP.
Well, Redemption is a great game but I still much prefer Revolver over it.
KOTOR 2 (with the restoration mod) & Fallout: New Vegas. KOTOR 1 was already damn good but Obsidian did it so much better. With FO: NV it was a little different. I did not enjoy FO3 at all but loved what Obsidian did with the IP.
Well, Redemption is a great game but I still much prefer Revolver over it.
They're great games, but are reboots, not sequels. They're best viewed in light of their own merits and not comparison to past titles, especially considering how different they're purposely trying to be.
Whoever said Arkham Origins (prequel, not sequel but w/e) on the other hand... nope. For the three things that game did right, it did so much more wrong. They messed with gameplay and design in all the wrong ways.
jeffrockz312
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Different developer?
Nice to see no one's being patronizing and accusing those who pick DMC of being trolls. After all, it impossible to have opinions on Neogaf that don't correlate with the general view.
Mechanically, yes, I do think some of the original games are far superior. But there are other aspects that are important to people too, and some of those DmC excels at.
Rather than just mock or patronize others for having an unpopular view. Why not kindly ask them why they have that opinion? You know, have intelligent and interesting debates.
Mechanically, yes, I do think some of the original games are far superior. But there are other aspects that are important to people too, and some of those DmC excels at.
Rather than just mock or patronize others for having an unpopular view. Why not kindly ask them why they have that opinion? You know, have intelligent and interesting debates.
CecilRousso
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I was about to say Tales of Monkey Island compared to Escape from Monkey Island, but then I remembered that Escape was so bad so that Telltale decided to completely ignore what happened in that when they made Tales.
I'm sure some of staff was different since Black Isle didn't technically make the first Fallout, but a lot of key people from the first game also worked on Fallout 2. Feargus Urquhart, Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky, etc.
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I concur with Max Payne 3. Easily the best game in the series no contest. I'm also going to say Batman Arkham Origins. It certainly wasn't as original or creative as the previous games. It simply stuck to a formula that worked and made some minor improvements. It didn't have the impact of the previous games, but it was certainly just as good and even a tad better imo. It helped that the story in Arkham Origins didn't completely fall apart like City too.
I second that, mean the co-op is pants but the single player is great, love the art style too.
nephilimdj
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different dev, same engine, twice as action packed, engine improvements (destructable walls)
timegate did a great job
different dev, same engine, twice as action packed, engine improvements (destructable walls)
timegate did a great job
Raonak
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DmC is good, but doesn't hold a candle to the character action masterpiece that is DMC3:SE.
I will give the edge to DmC in level design and maybe story.
And speaking of DMC....
DMC3 > DMC1, since they were done by different directors/teams. 3 perfected the groundwork 1 laid out.
Bioshock2 >= 1
Red Dead Redemption
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Fallout New Vegas beats Fallout 3 to me. It felt more like a role-playing to me than 3 if that makes sense.
I'd like to say Donkey Kong Country Returns brats the first Donkey Kong Country, but the waggle ruins it for me. Wish they had mapped that to a button, as I love everything else about it.
I'd like to say Donkey Kong Country Returns brats the first Donkey Kong Country, but the waggle ruins it for me. Wish they had mapped that to a button, as I love everything else about it.
Agreed. Except it was further back from WaW.
Lee Chaolan
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Definitely agree with Dead Rising 2, was fun as hell to play, especially online co-op!
It wasn't originally supposed to be a True Crime game, though. United Front came up with the concept themselves and wanted it to be an independent IP but Activision came along and slapped the True Crime name on it because they thought it would sell better that way. So Sleeping Dogs doesn't really count IMO.
EDIT: Ah, someone else was faster.
Certainly beats Halo Reach. And Halo CE, but then so do all Halo games but Halo Reach.
Alcoholikaust
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Dead Rising 3 is better than both DR1 and DR2
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