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GaimeGuy

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WinoMcCougarstein said:
Exactly why Bryan should face HHH at WM for a title shot. It ends the Authority garbage, would give Bryan a win over a hall of famer/legend and propel him into the title picture. It makes sense. The win over HHH just has to be clean, not outside interference, no sledgehammers, just a good, well wrestled match that ends with HHH either tapping out to the yes lock or getting pinned for the 1-2-3.
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But the fans want Bryan to be in the title picture at mania. Not fighting to be in the title picture.

That's why everyone shat on the royal rumble ending so much. Because it meant Bryan was out of the main event. That is not what the people want.
 
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GaimeGuy said:
But the fans want Bryan to be in the title picture at mania. Not fighting to be in the title picture.

That's why everyone shat on the royal rumble ending so much. Because it meant Bryan was out of the main event. That is not what the people want.
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They want to see Bryan wrestle and win. I don't think it absolutely has to be for the title. Bryan is over with or without the damn belt. Plus, the crowd would eat up seeing him beat HHH and they would realize his title shot is coming. It would be fine.
 
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Anth0ny

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GaimeGuy said:
People don't care about the Bryan/authority storyline. They care about the Bryan/title storyline.
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They're both the same thing. Bryan wins title, HHH pedigrees Bryan and Orton cashes in and steals title. He still has that stolen title.

Perfect booking is Bryan wrestles twice at Mania. Beat HHH first to get a spot in the main event title match, and then he wins the title.

Unless Batista somehow loses his title shot and it can be transfered to Bryan, where he can have a 1 on 1 match with the champ. That would obviously be ideal.

I agree that winning the title at a lesser PPV isn't a great idea, even if it's in his home town. Winning at Mania and going off the air with 70, 000 chanting YES is the satisfaction people want.
 
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GaimeGuy

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Anth0ny said:
They're both the same thing. Bryan wins title, HHH pedigrees Bryan and Orton cashes in and steals title. He still has that stolen title.

Perfect booking is Bryan wrestles twice at Mania. Beat HHH first to get a spot in the main event title match, and then he wins the title.

Unless Batista somehow loses his title shot and it can be transfered to Bryan, where he can have a 1 on 1 match with the champ. That would obviously be ideal.

I agree that winning the title at a lesser PPV isn't a great idea, even if it's in his home town. Winning at Mania and going off the air with 70, 000 chanting YES is the satisfaction people want.
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This is how it should be. Bryan vs HHH kicks off mania. Bryan wins. Then he can go back, take a shower, get something to eat, and prepare for the main event in a few hours.

Bryan wrestling at the start immediately pulls the crowd in, and him winning at the start keeps them hyped for the main event, so the energy will be up for the rest of the event, too.
 
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Chamber

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GaimeGuy said:
This is how it should be. Bryan vs HHH kicks off mania. Bryan wins. Then he can go back, take a shower, get something to eat, and prepare for the main event in a few hours.

Bryan wrestling at the start immediately pulls the crowd in, and him winning at the start keeps them hyped for the main event, so the energy will be up for the rest of the event, too.
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This is the only way I'm fine with Bryan/HHH at Mania. In a perfect, Batista-less world, they would have done Bryan/HHH at the Rumble with a win allowing him to go on to the Rumble and Wrestlemania.

The Authority storyline needs to end at Mania though.
 
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strobogo

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Htown said:
It's also kinda the only thing except for Bryan winning the title at WM that would make sense and leave the crowd somewhat happy. You can give the Bryan vs Authority story the payoff it needs, while still letting Batista have his moment.


Yep.


this also I agree with.


I wouldn't say they are two of the best ever. I will say that out of Orton and Cena, who are both kinda getting shit on, I feel more sorry for Orton. He seems like he's actually been kinda trying recently; it's just that still nobody has a reason to give a crap about Orton vs Cena for the millionth time. Also Orton needs to do something other than whine to the Authority in the ring every single week.
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Batista winning the title to close out WM will not be sending the ultra smark crowd home happy. If a city like Cleveland shits on Batista, the WM crowd is going to murder him.
 
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Having Bryan win the title in Seattle would be amazing. Not to mention, I'm probably going to go to the PPV.
 
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Blades64

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GaimeGuy said:
This is how it should be. Bryan vs HHH kicks off mania. Bryan wins. Then he can go back, take a shower, get something to eat, and prepare for the main event in a few hours.

Bryan wrestling at the start immediately pulls the crowd in, and him winning at the start keeps them hyped for the main event, so the energy will be up for the rest of the event, too.
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This would be amazing if they did that. But it's the WWE we're talking about here. They think like Nintendo sometimes.

"Hey this looks like a cool idea. It just might be the best thing ever........let's not do it!"
 
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Zen

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It's funny, I randomly booted up the final episode of WCW Nitro and was surprised because frankly it's a better product than the current WWE.

http://youtu.be/YaocHIpPLPo?t=12m39s

Even the WWE style of Wrestling has come much closer into a very WCW era ethic. Plenty of rests and holds among their top talent.

Stick around for the Cruiserweight match after.
 
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Plinko

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I really hope they go through with a Batista/Orton match in the main event. The crowd would absolutely decimate the match.
 
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obijkenobi

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kirblar said:
Cena v Bray, imo, is the perfect example of Cena's yes-man mentality. Why on earth is your #1 star in THAT match at WM XXX?
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To build a new star heel I'd guess. Bray just beat Bryan clean right? Too bad Cena will over come the odds to beat Bray no problem!
 
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DMczaf

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obijkenobi said:
To build a new star heel I'd guess. Bray just beat Bryan clean right? Too bad Cena will over come the odds to beat Bray no problem!
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So Bryan was put in charge of making Bray look like a world beater in order for Cena to have a WM match where he overcomes the odds of beating this crazy powerhouse of a man.

We are all just cogs in the Cena Machine.
 
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WinoMcCougarstein said:
They want to see Bryan wrestle and win. I don't think it absolutely has to be for the title. Bryan is over with or without the damn belt. Plus, the crowd would eat up seeing him beat HHH and they would realize his title shot is coming. It would be fine.
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The people have seen Bryan wrestle and win only for them to boo title matches not involving him. If he is not in the title match at Wrestlemania it will be a disaster.
On top of that beating Triple H does nothing for Bryan at all in fact it is a backwards move for him.
 
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Plywood

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Brehs, it's gonna be Bryan with title at WM dropping it to Batista to the sound of 70k no's, Batista will have nuclear heat from that point on. Shocked you guys can't see this.
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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Plywood said:
Brehs, it's gonna be Bryan with title at WM dropping it to Batista to the sound of 70k no's, Batista will have nuclear heat from that point on. Shocked you guys can't see this.
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I'd be super into this. The only worry would be if it sets up a thing like Orton/Bryan 2 where Bryan slowly fades away because they never actually intended for him to win the feud.
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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WinoMcCougarstein said:
They want to see Bryan wrestle and win. I don't think it absolutely has to be for the title.
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It's about the title. Bryan lost in the first match at the Royal Rumble against Wyatt, and everyone was super into it, because Wyatt deserves it and they had a great match. There's just a very obvious Austin-style natural crowd following growing here that they've tried to ignore. Imagine Austin never being champ.
 
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strobogo

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Well, there is that one dude from the Rumble thread who thinks Austin sucked and could only have a good match with someone to carry him and make him look good.
 
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kirblar

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's about the title. Bryan lost in the first match at the Royal Rumble against Wyatt, and everyone was super into it, because Wyatt deserves it and they had a great match. There's just a very obvious Austin-style natural crowd following growing here that they've tried to ignore. Imagine Austin never being champ.
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Turns out giving your fans a massive case of blue balls makes them angry. Who could have guessed?
 
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If Batista has signed up for 2 years as mentioned, there's no real desperate need for him to win the title.unitl around June/August time, during Guardian of the Galaxy release. That said the WWE needs to be brave and make him heel. And have the whole Movie star vs Wrestler thing with Daniel Bryan, and wrap the whole Best for Business crap when Batista finally beats Bryan
 
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Anth0ny said:
They're both the same thing. Bryan wins title, HHH pedigrees Bryan and Orton cashes in and steals title. He still has that stolen title.

Perfect booking is Bryan wrestles twice at Mania. Beat HHH first to get a spot in the main event title match, and then he wins the title.

Unless Batista somehow loses his title shot and it can be transfered to Bryan, where he can have a 1 on 1 match with the champ. That would obviously be ideal.

I agree that winning the title at a lesser PPV isn't a great idea, even if it's in his home town. Winning at Mania and going off the air with 70, 000 chanting YES is the satisfaction people want.
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Easiest way and the way to get Bryan over the most would the following: First match 25-minute match Bryan vs. HHH. Bryan wins and gets a place in the MITB-match that will take place, right now with 8 people (some stupid part-timers return bla bla bla) Bryan wins that too. WM ends with Batista winning against Randy just to get punches in his stupid face with the Briefcase Bryan is holding, cashing it in and winning the title...Next PPV would be the rematch Orton vs. Batista vs. Bryan. End of story
 
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JesseEwiak

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DMczaf said:
So Bryan was put in charge of making Bray look like a world beater in order for Cena to have a WM match where he overcomes the odds of beating this crazy powerhouse of a man.

We are all just cogs in the Cena Machine.
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Just like people were all cogs in the Hogan, Backlund, and Bruno machines before that. This is how WWE booking has worked since, literally, it began.
 
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GaimeGuy

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JesseEwiak said:
Just like people were all cogs in the Hogan, Backlund, and Bruno machines before that. This is how WWE booking has worked since, literally, it began.
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Come on.

During the height of Hulkamania, you had 5-7 Saturday Night Main Events, and 3 or 4 PPVs per year.

Did Hogan, Backlund, and Bruno hold the title longer than Cena? Yes (and they are the ONLY individuals to be champion longer than Cena), but they also weren't being exposed to all of their fans across the world on a weekly or semi-weekly basis.

Stone Cold's run at the top lasted from 1997-1999. 1996 and early 1997 built him up (Mania match with Bret, KotR, etc.)

Aside from a 6 month feud with Nexus in the latter half of 2010 and early 2011, John Cena has not gone more than a few months out of the title picture since he first won the damn thing in 2005. And typically when he's not in the title picture, the title takes a backseat to whatever feud john cena is involved in. Sometimes his feud and the title feud intersect, and his part overshadows the title, even! (See: Cena reffing the Barrett vs. Orton title match)

The fact is, John Cena should have undergone a major change around late 2006/early 2007, or at least been moved out of the main event picture. His run at the top should have been 2 or 3 years, from 2004-2006. His feuds with the likes of John Laurenitis and Nexus and Kane never should have been the focus of RAWs and PPVs, they should have been secondary to any title feuds going on (The exceptions are when you have survivor series-type matches against the Nexus or the head of Nexus becomes involved in the WWE title picture.... but John cena NEVER should be the main focus, just a factor in play!)


Everything John Cena does is treated as the most important thing in the company, booking wise. It's been that way for nearly a decade, and it should have changed about 7 years ago.
 
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strobogo

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A good rule of thumb for any company in any business is to not put so much stock into one person that your company can't handle it if they go down.
 
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strobogo

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It's not John Cena himself that is the problem, but the WWE model as a whole. "Build your company on one person for as long as possible" has been their model since the 60s and it doesn't work anymore with so much more content put out weekly. For Bruno and Backlund, they really didn't even have a second to come close. For Hogan, they did have some guys to fall back on (Savage, Warrior, Duggan, Jake). It was a similar situation in the Attitude Era with the company being carried by a number of guys. I think it is interesting that the two biggest periods for WWE were times when they had multiple people sharing the load of the company.
 
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strobogo said:
It's not John Cena himself that is the problem, but the WWE model as a whole. "Build your company on one person for as long as possible" has been their model since the 60s and it doesn't work anymore with so much more content put out weekly. For Bruno and Backlund, they really didn't even have a second to come close. For Hogan, they did have some guys to fall back on (Savage, Warrior, Duggan, Jake). It was a similar situation in the Attitude Era with the company being carried by a number of guys. I think it is interesting that the two biggest periods for WWE were times when they had multiple people sharing the load of the company.
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They are just too short sited to know how to create new stars. They are afraid to push anyone other than Cena because in the short-term it might hurt ratings or buy rates, even if doing so might be better for the health of the company. No one is given time to grow or make an impact, so they need to bring back old proven draws to spike numbers, which only moves their younger talent further down the ladder.
 
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Shiv47

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I've just been reading the book Wrestling at the Chase, about the legendary St Louis wrestling promoter Sam Muchnick and the territorial days of pro wrestling, written by the guy who helped run the promotion (and the longtime TV announcer), Larry Matysik. He writes this about booking:

Long term planning was vital. St Louis dates were always contracted a year in advance. In addition, the champion's appearances were also inked nine months - or more - ahead. Sam taught me how to book in reverse. If Dick "The Bruiser" was the challenger we wanted for the April date, planning had to begin in January at the latest. Who would he meet in February and March? What angles could we pursue? Everything was planned backwards, from the inevitable conclusion to the very beginning of a rivalry, months in advance.

A challenger's path to the top created many logical storyline branches - and in exploring them we'd create other strong challengers. This wasn't just practical booking; in Sam's eyes it was wise resource management. We earned the trust and loyalty of the talent because they knew they wouldn't be tossed aside like yesterday's garbage.

The most important principle? Protect the World Championship - not the World Champion - at all costs. Okay, not every champ would be as charismatic as a Ric Flair or Lou Thesz, but if the title meant something special, the fans would come. This meant the champion should not be overexposed. Each outing had to mean something. And cute finishes involving the golden belt had to be avoided at all costs. Because we treated it like the Holy Grail, everyone who had ever held the title would always be treated with respect.

Today's Sam's booking philosophy must seem alien. Unlike WWE, he believed in his long-term planning and felt that a solid product would always find its audience. Our fans wanted to believe in our little world for a couple hours a week, so it was critical to respect them. Now, titles are disrespected and former champions are easily relegated to mid-card status. Storyline directions are often changed in response to poor television ratings in a quarter-hour period.

Muchnick always wanted a flexible core of six to eight men who could draw money against each other or the champion. Sam disliked the practice of focusing everything around a single superstar - feeding him one rival after another - although he would admit it had worked for several promoters. Sam believed no single performer was indispensable. And because of this, in an extreme situation, no individual wrestler could ever hold the promotion hostage.
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It's not like it's rocket science, WWE. Still, Vince gonna Vince till he drops dead.
 
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