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[Host Samurai]

Lol Dawns the chick from Hello Ladies. Omfg

Awesome season so far though this hospital arc seemed a bit filler. Never really thought that they were much of a threat. Hopefully next session we get the villain we deserve

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negan

Shane was ahead of his time. He would have fit in with this new group like a glove. Rick is essentially Shane 2.0

 

[More_Badass]

I really liked this half season. The first three episodes were fantastic. The Daryl/Carol episode was great. I liked Abraham's character development and flashbacks

But that had to be the weakest midseason finale yet. I'd go as far as to say it was worse than "Sophia's been in the barn the whole time". At least that moment was a major milestone in Carol's character development. Beth's death just felt like it happened because something shocking had to happen. 6 and 1/2 episodes spent building to that anticlimactic moment?

Not only that, but the episode just dragged. It was one of those episodes when you realize 45 minutes have gone by and nothing has happened yet. I really liked that Rick moment and I liked that the episode didn't end with another big shootout, but besides that, a weak episode and definitely a poor way to cap off the midseason.

 

[jelly]

Dawn basically said, things will continue as they were, you'll be back. Dawn uses people and would continue to do so forever because nothing about the world will change. Dawn was wrongly using for now as a reason to keep the status quo of power and cruelty.

Beth knew there would be no change and took action or wanted her Dawn to look weak, reckless perhaps but guns were down. I imagine Dawn felt the confrontation rise as Beth approached so her gun was out. It was still a shocking ending and Beth came good in the end from what they had to work with. So long.

 

[Host Samurai]

It even looked like Dawn shot Beth by accident judging by the surprised look on her face

 

[strafer]

Of course it was an accident..

when I got stabbed my trigger finger flinched.

It's just a reflex

 

[Piercedveil]

I got spoiled since I accidentally heard the end of Talking Dead before I watched the episode but I was still really surprised when it happened. I liked the episode a lot overall.

Rick at the beginning chasing that officer in the car. Brutal.

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

Missed the episode last night but checking facebook this morning there was an article about how a major character died(no names listed), but then they had a huge picture of Daryl on the front.

Damn near had a heart attack and had to scramble to figure out a way to watch the episode. Then I was having trouble loading the video on the amc website and I'm just sitting there sweating bullets waiting.

Beth gets shot and all I could think was "It's not Daryl fuck yesssssssss". Obviously Beth dying was sad, but for the most part it was more of a relief for me.

 

[Lethe82]

Lol Dawns the chick from Hello Ladies. Omfg

Awesome season so far though this hospital arc seemed a bit filler. Never really thought that they were much of a threat. Hopefully next session we get the villain we deserve

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negan

Shane was ahead of his time. He would have fit in with this new group like a glove. Rick is essentially Shane 2.0

Shane was still too extreme. Rick never would have done to anyone what Shane did to Ottus (or whatever his name was).

It even looked like Dawn shot Beth by accident judging by the surprised look on her face

It was an accident yeah.

Dawn basically said, things will continue as they were, you'll be back. Dawn uses people and would continue to do so forever because nothing about the world will change. Dawn was wrongly using for now as a reason to keep the status quo of power and cruelty.

Beth knew there would be no change and took action or wanted her Dawn to look weak, reckless perhaps but guns were down. I imagine Dawn felt the confrontation rise as Beth approached so her gun was out. It was still a shocking ending and Beth came good in the end from what they had to work with. So long.

But the fight in the hallway seemed to indicate that she at least wasn't going to turn a blind eye to terrible things anymore.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Loved the opening the scene. The rest of the episode was all right. Nothing special.

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They developed Beth just to kill her. For no reason. Why would you stab someone in the shoulder in a situation like that with guns on both sides of you? Doesn't make much sense. Dawn's character was also all over the place. At times she spoke very realistically and actually make some sense and you sympathize with her. Other times she was power hungry, weak and immoral. Really strange and inconsistent character arc.

 

[Bandit1]

It even looked like Dawn shot Beth by accident judging by the surprised look on her face

I think it was just a split second reaction to being stabbed, almost like a self-defence thing. The surprised look on her face was her thinking: "Oh crap, I just crossed the baddest group of dudes and dudettes in Georgia, and Imma bouta get shot in the face."

 

[Christopher]

You see dawn day the words "I didnt mean to" before Daryl shot her...tragic

I like Beth too I just started to finally realize this girl has a personality

 

[Master Yoshi]

Overall I feel like this show has been meh with flashes of brilliance every now and again. The biggest problem is that there isn't a real sense of danger. The episode "Killer Within" was great because everything went to shit and you got the sense that anyone could die at any moment. The show needs another few episodes like that to thin out the cast. Kill off Glen, Rick, Carol, Sasha and Maggie. The cast at this point is ridiculous.

This cast is too big. We lost Bob and Beth but gained the preacher and Noah so the group has remained the same size.

If Rick goes, I don't want it to happen until the series finale. I would seriously lose interest if they killed him. He IS the show. The show is his and Carl's journey, first and foremost.

 

[Lethe82]

I think it was just a split second reaction to being stabbed, almost like a self-defence thing. The surprised look on her face was her thinking: "Oh crap, I just crossed the baddest group of dudes and dudettes in Georgia, and Imma bouta get shot in the face."

It was involuntary.

 

[Master Yoshi]

Killing Beth was guaranteed suicide. Dawn of all people would be aware of that, if it were a choice.

edit: I can't read.

 

[Red Comet]

If Rick goes, I don't want it to happen until the series finale. I would seriously lose interest if they killed him. He IS the show. The show is his and Carl's journey, first and foremost.

I tend to agree. I think killing of Rick before the series finale would be sort of jumping the shark.

 

[antonz]

Am I the only one who didn't see Dawn as a bad person? I've no idea why people keep calling her a villain. She helped people and she hated the cops who abused their powers.

I think the point in the end really was the fact she was evil. She pretended to be opposed by people who were the bad guys but in reality she was one of the bad guys.

The cops who she said were so bad end up being the ones who want to walk away and not have a fight etc. I mean when Dawn says she wants Noah there are even protests from the police side of the aisle.

Dawn and a few others were the vile ones. I mean she even tells her former rookie partner how he and the others were all weak pussies who couldn't kill Hampton when he went out of line and only she had the guts to do it.
She did not need Noah. The other Officers were not threatening mutiny. In fact the only officers who were threatening mutiny were the evil ones who conveniently get setup to be killed by Beth by Dawns actions. Dawn wanted the power and slavery to maintain basically

 

[jelly]

But the fight in the hallway seemed to indicate that she at least wasn't going to turn a blind eye to terrible things anymore.

Not really, her hand was forced with the fight to keep the status quo after the guy overheard her conversation with Beth. Also, forcing Noah to come back was just like before, in control, her way. Dawn had good intentions but anything goes to keep things as they are. A corrupted philosophy for survival, washing her hands of any bad deeds by making others do it helped reinforce her warped belief of doing right.

 

[Evo X]

Their Facebook page just posted an apology about yesterday's spoiler.

They must have really got shit on by the fans.

 

[HardRojo]

Overall I feel like this show has been meh with flashes of brilliance every now and again. The biggest problem is that there isn't a real sense of danger. The episode "Killer Within" was great because everything went to shit and you got the sense that anyone could die at any moment. The show needs another few episodes like that to thin out the cast. Kill off Glen, Rick, Carol, Sasha and Maggie. The cast at this point is ridiculous.

This cast is too big. We lost Bob and Beth but gained the preacher and Noah so the group has remained the same size.

Yeah, there are way too many characters. I couldn't care less about Abraham and his people, they need to go. It's hard for anyone to feel any connection with any of the other characters since they get so little screen time.

Their Facebook page just posted an apology about yesterday's spoiler.

They must have really got shit on by the fans.

Just saw this. Yeah, they went berserk on Twitter too, retweeting people's impressions and comments full of spoilers.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

Powerful ending. I've loved every minute of this season so far. I've avoided all spoilers so I don't know what happens past the TV show but if they killed off Rick it would kill the show for me. Rick and Daryl are off limits in my book.

 

[PopeReal]

Powerful ending. I've loved every minute of this season so far. I've avoided all spoilers so I don't know what happens past the TV show but if they killed off Rick it would kill the show for me. Rick and Daryl are off limits in my book.

Rick & Daryl aren't going to die. Anyone else is fair game.

 

[Toa TAK]

So if Rick could continue to be awesome that would be great.

Love seeing Rick take care of that fucking cop like that.

 

[Diablos]

I gotta say, that was bullshit. They finally start developing Beth and giving her her own role, and then kill her off for....shock value?
Rendering that entire arc 100% pointless.

Even Emily Kinney thinks it's dumb.

Gimple thinks he's so smart with his "herp mcderp we had this planned since last season, mmkay" bullshit. If he's being honest I am growing less confident by his and everyone else's ability to eventually have this plot land in a sensible place, if they get any worse they're going to approach Dexter levels of ignorance and stupidity. If he's lying, he's a dick.

Either way you look at it, if they truly had planned to kill her off, the ideal time to do it would have been before devoting an entire side plot to her. There were a ton of scenes devoted to developing Beth's character to background scenery with a pretty voice to a strong, determined and sensible young woman. Once that's achieved... they kill her. It's just complete waste of airtime.

Sirpopopop is right. The formula is beyond stale. It's like watching a rehash of the same thing. They need to spend some time in a city.

The first four eps of this season were spot on, only to turn into a fragmented mess again.

 

[MBison]

FUCK THIS BULLSHIT! I GOOGLED when is walking dead mid season finale, and GOT FUCKING SPOILED ON THE FISRT FUCKING RESULT. FUCK IT.

Why did you expect not to get spoiled?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

So if Rick could continue to be awesome that would be great.

Love seeing Rick take care of that fucking cop like that.

"I told you to stop."

 

[AngmarsKing701]

hopefully both

Right. Gotta make room for based Morgan.

Seriously Tyreese is a huge pussy. I thought Sasha was gonna shoot him after he admitted it was basically his fault Bob was dead.

And Gabriel.... Jesus fucking Christ on the cross, just have that guy get bitten already and put him out of our misery.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

It's getting really boring having the "big wow moment" happening at the mid season/finale.

That's not good story telling. If they want to kill off characters and catch people off guard, they should do it three episodes in with a major character, and have the falling actions of that event be a shadow of the rest of the season as we see the group deal with it, instead of just having a three month break and going "oh yea, Beth is dead, but that was months ago and the emotional impact is gone".

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Pretty done with Tyreese. He's endangering everybody in the group by being soft. He needs to stop tagging along with the main group and leave the big boy stuff to his sister. I would say that he could continue being the babysitter, but he almost got the baby killed, too.

I could see one of the group members turning on him for that shit eventually.

 

[ElyrionX]

The people who lament the fact that the hospital serves no purpose at all in terms of the story or the plot are completely missing the point of the show. This is a series about how people survive in a post-apocalyptic zombie world. There is no grand overarching plot or story. It is about how people live in the world and how they interact with other people in that world. The hospital showed how another community of people lived and their values and how they survive in a hostile environment. To me, that is an interesting premise in and of itself and something like that can only be explored in a TV series. If you're looking for something more plot-driven, you might as well go watch one of the countless zombie movies out there.

My only complaint about the hospital is that it is yet again another highly dysfunctional community with a "villain" for its leader.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

The people who lament the fact that the hospital serves no purpose at all in terms of the story or the plot are completely missing the point of the show. This is a series about how people survive in a post-apocalyptic zombie world. There is no grand overarching plot or story. It is about how people live in the world and how they interact with other people in that world. The hospital showed how another community of people lived and their values and how they survive in a hostile environment. To me, that is an interesting premise in and of itself and something like that can only be explored in a TV series. If you're looking for something more plot-driven, you might as well go watch one of the countless zombie movies out there.

My only complaint about the hospital is that it is yet again another highly dysfunctional community with a "villain" for its leader.

But I think the point of all the scenes with Dawn was to show that she wasn't just another Governor. She had compromised so much of herself, of her ethics and morality, to remain in charge. Her cops are basically getting away with whatever they wanted and she remained in charge provided they were getting what they wanted. She had lost herself, and in trying to hold onto some sense of power she attempted to get Noah back. At that point Beth knew Dawn was irredeemable and went for the kill.

 

[flyinpiranha]

The people who lament the fact that the hospital serves no purpose at all in terms of the story or the plot are completely missing the point of the show. This is a series about how people survive in a post-apocalyptic zombie world. There is no grand overarching plot or story. It is about how people live in the world and how they interact with other people in that world. The hospital showed how another community of people lived and their values and how they survive in a hostile environment. To me, that is an interesting premise in and of itself and something like that can only be explored in a TV series. If you're looking for something more plot-driven, you might as well go watch one of the countless zombie movies out there.

My only complaint about the hospital is that it is yet again another highly dysfunctional community with a "villain" for its leader.

This is basically what I kind of said too. I will disagree with your last sentence though, while it's true that there is a "villain" in each group, there's bound to be 'somebody' that will lead the other groups they encounter. If you had a group looking in on Rick's group and caught them in the middle of something, without knowing any backstory, you'd think they were lunatic murderers too. Of course not as bad as "cannibals" or "herams", but they aren't exactly the pinnacle of justice, we just know more about them.

Take Abraham for example, I think his flashbacks are awesome, well acted and really builds his character ... but at first I was thinking "what the fuck is this guy?"

 

[D i Z]

Two weeks ago people are falling all over themselves with the Beth hate. Lol

 

[Christopher]

I would like to have seen some normal scenes before the outbreak occurred or what these people did go get to the point that they are now when the madness is going on...that would be good television

 

[Buddha Beam]

Powerful ending. I've loved every minute of this season so far. I've avoided all spoilers so I don't know what happens past the TV show but if they killed off Rick it would kill the show for me. Rick and Daryl are off limits in my book.

Someone was telling me that Daryl is expected to die this season because Norman Reedus is not signed on beyond this season.

I would like to have seen some normal scenes before the outbreak occurred or what these people did go get to the point that they are now when the madness is going on...that would be good television

That's like every other zombie movie ever, though.

 

[Escape Goat]

Someone was telling me that Daryl is expected to die this season because Norman Reedus is not signed on beyond this season.



That's like every other zombie movie ever, though.

Then Carol picks up his crossbow and her badass cred jumps a few notches.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

That she was a habitual user of people and it would never stop until everyone around her was dead. Do you see her going out and gathering supplies? Nope. Do you see her protecting anyone but herself? Nope.

The original plan was to use Beth as a fuck doll for some of the more violent, thuggish officers. When she found out Beth wasn't that weak, she decided to use her as a pocket "ace in the hole" instead. Use, use, use and more use.

Beth nearly killed herself getting that kid out, and him going back with her was a death sentence. So Beth put a stop to it, knowing it'd likely get her killed.

it still makes no sense. we spent a large portion of the episode learning about the last guy in charge of the hospital. dawn killed him, and that officer accuses dawn that she's becoming like him. also dawn maintains that some of the other cops are still bad. to me all shows that if dawn dies the cycle would eventually continue with the next in command. but of course beth ignores all this.

 

[HadesGigas]

I would like to have seen some normal scenes before the outbreak occurred or what these people did go get to the point that they are now when the madness is going on...that would be good television

Before the outbreak seems like it's way too long ago to really matter.

I do think it's a good idea to show some flashbacks like they did with Abraham (and Michonne before that) to show how these characters we just met came to be the way they are now. The key moments in their post-apocalypse life that shaped them. But it should be pretty brief like those were.

Or to just have their backstory figured out by the rest of the group like how Gabriel had to come clean about what he did. There was no actual flashback, but it was pretty much the same idea.

 

[ciD_Vain]

Beth and Carol were my favorite characters since season 2. I'm so sad

 

[SoraanTribal]

Loved the opening the scene. The rest of the episode was all right. Nothing special.

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They developed Beth just to kill her. For no reason. Why would you stab someone in the shoulder in a situation like that with guns on both sides of you? Doesn't make much sense. Dawn's character was also all over the place. At times she spoke very realistically and actually make some sense and you sympathize with her. Other times she was power hungry, weak and immoral. Really strange and inconsistent character arc.

Agree 100% with everything you said (especially the part about building up Beth this season just to kill her). The end of the episode just made absolutely no sense to me on all fronts. I have no idea why Beth would do something that stupid - it didn't just put her life in danger, but everyone else who was there.

 

[GavinUK86]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=943321

Tom Riddle is the new Rick lol.

 

[a secret-boss]

Omg really Beth dies
What was the point? Shock value for the fall finale

Sniper scene: Rick's crew must have stealth cuz clearly they were on the parking structure

 

[hateradio]

That finale was messy.


RIP Beth and Hello Ladies lady cop.

 

[hwalker84]

What did I miss. I saw

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Morgan pray and then my recording cut off.

 

[HadesGigas]

What did I miss. I saw

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Morgan pray and then my recording cut off.

He found the map to DC with the note Abraham wrote to "Rick Grimes" on it.

 

[Verger]

The problem is the writers' lack the ability to really sell their ideas. When you hear people explain it here all about Dawn's character it makes sense, but they just could not convey it as such.

I totally would have bought Dawn being just like Shane, someone who thought of everyone around her as disposable and just being so. The problem was they tried to be "clever" about it and wasted her airtime with random tasks and weird dynamics of the Hospital group

Speaking of which, where the F was The Doctor? He was the second-main character of the Hospital group and he somehow isn't even present in the background to see the two people (we the audience saw) he interacted with the most get each other killed?

But yeah, really disappointing episode which sucks because the opening was so good and showed potential.

 

[Escape Goat]

The problem is the writers' lack the ability to really sell their ideas. When you hear people explain it here all about Dawn's character it makes sense, but they just could not convey it as such.

I totally would have bought Dawn being just like Shane, someone who thought of everyone around her as disposable and just being so. The problem was they tried to be "clever" about it and wasted her airtime with random tasks and weird dynamics of the Hospital group

Speaking of which, where the F was The Doctor? He was the second-main character of the Hospital group and he somehow isn't even present in the background to see the two people (we the audience saw) he interacted with the most get each other killed?

But yeah, really disappointing episode which sucks because the opening was so good and showed potential.

Doctor guy was there to see B dog get capped.

 

[Hidden One]

Beth T_T

Next season spoilers!

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Not looking good for Rick

http://puu.sh/ddLPY/b8f1605523.jpg

 

[zer0das]

Speaking of which, where the F was The Doctor? He was the second-main character of the Hospital group and he somehow isn't even present in the background to see the two people (we the audience saw) he interacted with the most get each other killed?

He was smack in the middle, second row of the hospital group. Did you even watch the scene?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Not a terrible episode, but it sorta made me feel like all the buildup we got with Beth was a waste. I know they built her for that emotional punch, but it just didn't feel organic. We saved her...oh she dead.

And Dawn just didn't seem consistent to me. Her first episode they tried selling her as an almost sadist who justfied what was going on because she was just trying to keep it all together. But by the end of her arc, I don't know what they were going for. Do I feel bad for her? Do I even care? She likes Beth now?

I don't want to be one of those people that just compsins every week, for the most part I really liked this season so far. It's just so odd how everything came together. Bob got a more emotional sendoff, and we haven't even known him that long. I'm not salty about the episode, just disappointed. They did a good job building Beth's character last season, got some more this season and then it really didn't go anywhere. She got like 2 "I'm stronger than I look" moments, and that's it.

 

[Escape Goat]

Not a terrible episode, but it sorta made me feel like all the buildup we got with Beth was a waste. I know they built her for that emotional punch, but it just didn't feel organic. We saved her...oh she dead.

And Dawn just didn't seem consistent to me. Her first episode they tried selling her as an almost sadist who justfied what was going on because she was just trying to keep it all together. But by the end of her arc, I don't know what they were going for. Do I feel bad for her? Do I even care? She likes Beth now?

I don't want to be one of those people that just compsins every week, for the most part I really liked this season so far. It's just so odd how everything came together. Bob got a more emotional sendoff, and we haven't even known him that long. I'm not salty about the episode, just disappointed. They did a good job building Beth's character last season, got some more this season and then it really didn't go anywhere. She got like 2 "I'm stronger than I look" moments, and that's it.

I know what they were going for but often times I don't think they convey it well. Hopefully, and this should go for EVERY death is how will this change Maggie? Or Noah? Maggie's lost her entire family now. Noah should have some crushing survivors guilt. He's got to do something with his life to give Beth's death meaning,

So far nobody's really used a characters death to generate lasting change.