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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 5, Part 1 – Sundays on AMC

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Hobbestetrician

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My favorite part of the episode was during the initial negotiations with Rick and the two cops in the parking lot when Rick said that Lamson was "attacked by the dead". They are almost always referred to as 'walkers' or 'rotters' that it was surprisingly affecting to drop the nicknames and call them what they actually are.
 
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Escape Goat

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Hobbestetrician said:
My favorite part of the episode was during the initial negotiations with Rick and the two cops in the parking lot when Rick said that Lamson was "attacked by the dead". They are almost always referred to as 'walkers' or 'rotters' that it was surprisingly affecting to drop the nicknames and call them what they actually are.
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Does the word zombie not exist in this universe? Were there any zombie apocalypse movies?
 
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Hobbestetrician

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Escape Goat said:
Does the word zombie not exist in this universe? Were there any zombie apocalypse movies?
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I always felt that the first few seasons were VERY careful not to use that word. I feel like it has been used once or twice since but I could be wrong.

Cornballer said:
- EW: 'The Walking Dead' showrunner Scott M. Gimple answers midseason finale burning questions
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You know what would be great? If you only kept him in these post-credits sequences and he never catches up to the group and keeps missing them. “Damn! Just missed ‘em again!”

Well, slowly but surely the post-credits scenes will get longer and longer and sooner or later it becomes Morgan’s show and we just have the teaser with the rest of the cast.
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I would be okay with this. A totally wordless episode following Morgan and putting together pieces of the group's story as he catches up to them.
 
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someday

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Zaph said:
Yup, new Rick is great. The car scene showed how he defends himself (well, defends 'the plan') in such a clinical way, without doing something unnecessarily risky to create drama, like tackling him on-foot - he's in a car so he ran the guy down.

Yet the end showed how new Rick heals himself - he offered a hand to anyone who wanted to leave, which is a far cry from the Rick who was adamant Tyresse & co couldn't join them.
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That scene wasn't about Rick not wanting Tyrese and co to join, he was still crazy and seeing ghost Lori. He was flipping out about that and not Tyrese. It was one of the dumber scenes in season 3.
Jest Chillin said:
The priest went to the school to get confirmation that what Rick's group did made sense. Remember that he's been locked inside the Church since the outbreak started. He hasn't seen what the depths that society has dropped to. So their ruthless killing of the Terminus group inside the church shocked the hell out of him. He needed to see with his own eyes if they were really doing what they thought was necessary.

That's why when he picks up the Bible, he's disheartened by their actions. And then he see's Bob's leg and that it was cooked and that's the confirmation that there are indeed many worse people in the world now than Rick's group. I doubt he'll be gung ho about killing others yet but I think it's enough for him to accept their actions in the church.
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I just think the priest needing to go to the school was flimsy. I mean, Bob showed up missing a damned leg and the group who did it not only admitted it, they bragged about it and openly discussed who they were eating next. I find the priest's motivations weird.

That said, I believe that anyone who rolls up on Rick's group would probably see them as just as bad as the claimers (dudes who were gonna rape Carl and Michonne). We know Rick's group is alright but it really wouldn't be obvious to anyone else for quite some time. The broken cop spoke the truth.
 
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L.O.R.D

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i still can't get over with beth's death
why they do that ?
what the point to attack on the solder with a scissor ?

i can't think of possible reason to do that

she wasn't even holding that gun when beth attacked her
 
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Martian

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Also, I probably misremember this, but wasnt there an episode this season that ended with michonne going outside with her katana and meeting someone?

Who was that?
 
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Nightbird

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I was spoiled by Facebook too (thinking of unliking that Page right now), so the End was not such a huge shock as it could have been.

I still don't know what to think about what Beth has done. It really does not make sense to me...
 
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Pankratous

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Am I the only one who didn't see Dawn as a bad person? I've no idea why people keep calling her a villain. She helped people and she hated the cops who abused their powers.
 
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Kuroyume

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RangerX said:
Wow that has to be one of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. Sitwell running off served absolutely no function plotwise whatsoever. What was that scene supposed to show? The dialogue between Beth and Dawn could have been written by a brain damaged baboon holding a pen between the cheeks of its arse, it was mind numbingly bad. Can someone explain why the priest went back to the school again? Seemed like another completely pointless scene.

After the first three episodes I was hyped and unfortunately its turned to complete drivel. At least when zombies are getting fucked up theres a bit of excitement, and no, I don't want action all the time. I'd love to see more character development and complex drama ala Breaking bad or the wire but not if its written by writers with lobotomies who make characters do the most braindead things and speak like five year olds. I actually watch it as a comedy now. On the positive side at least Beths gone.
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Many of the things that happen on this show serve no purpose to the plot. And it's a sign of the writers having no story to tell other than the usual season skirmishes/rescues. I mean there wasn't even a purpose for Carol ending up in the hospital either. Carol and Daryl coud have run into Noah and he could have informed them of Beth and leave it at that. Seriously, what was the point of Carol being hit by the car? Nothing came of it.

Pankratous said:
Am I the only one who didn't see Dawn as a bad person? I've no idea why people keep calling her a villain. She helped people and she hated the cops who abused their powers.
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Yeah, she wasn't overtly evil but neither was the Gov in a way. She was just a dickhead.
 
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Cornballer

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Ratings:
AMC PR said:
AMC’s “The Walking Dead” ended the first half of its fifth season last night with a mid-season finale that delivered 14.8 million viewers and 9.6 million adults 18-49, up 23% and 24%, respectively, over last season’s corresponding episode. The first eight episodes to date versus “The Walking Dead” fall season of 2013 are up an average of 12% among all viewers and 13% among adults 18-49. “The Walking Dead” is the #1 show in all of television among adults 18-49, including the NFL, which had held top honors since 2007. In eight episodes so far this season, “The Walking Dead” has beaten Sunday Night Football five times in adults 18-49, live/same day, a winning percentage of .625 over pro football. The first eight episodes of “The Walking Dead” season five delivered an average of 14.6 million viewers and 9.5 million adults 18-49, outpacing everything else on television this season.
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ZeroFate

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+290474 getting spoiled by the dumbass official FB page. I live in Germany, so I usually watch the show Monday night when I get off work. Checked FB this morning and woke up to the obnoxious headline "RIP BETH" with a picture of Daryl carrying Beth. Really? Couldn't have even been more than an hour after it aired. Needless to say I unfollowed the page but geez... it's one thing to have a random douchebag relative spoil it, but the official FB page?

Other than that I thought it was handled fair enough. I think it would have been out of character for Beth to pretty much leave Noah to die there. On the other hand I'm a little surprised Rick just didn't do a show-of-force and call her bluff. If all guns were lifted there's no way Dawn would risk all those lives for Noah.
 
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Linius

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Facebook pages for TV shows are tricky if you don't watch live. HBO had a habit of putting trailers online for characters who died in the final season for example.

Anyways, fine episode. I never really cared about Beth much. But seeing the other characters react to it was pretty heart wrecking, especially Maggie of course. Looking forward to the rest of this season next year.
 
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Bandit1

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It doesn't make any sense to me why Beth would do that, knowing she was about to be reunited with the group. I get that she was upset about Dawn taking Noah back, but still. All she had to do was walk away and she gets to be back with the group. Then she could've made her case to Rick and company to go in there and take all those people out. Which is what they should have done in the first place after Noah told them about it. Also, Noah shouldn't have even been at the exchange.

#AlwaysGoWithRick'sPlan
 
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KorrZ

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The entire ending lost all emotional impact for me because I was so baffled that Beth could be so stupid. What was she honestly hoping to accomplish there? At best, Dawn would be dead - great way to go Beth really helping out. At worst? She starts a shoot out that gets her friends killed.

Not to mention the hilariously over the top fall to the ground cry of agony from Maggie after not even mentioning her sister once since she disappeared.

This season started off so amazing and it just got right back down to the same old boring ass nonsensical Walking Dead.
 
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Escape Goat

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Pankratous said:
Am I the only one who didn't see Dawn as a bad person? I've no idea why people keep calling her a villain. She helped people and she hated the cops who abused their powers.
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She helped people only to help herself. Dawn could have ended the whole indentured servitude thing they had going on but she didn't because she was all about ensuring the status quo (hold on to what you've got was what her counterpart said) which makes her only slightly different than him. The doctor had Beth kill someone unknowingly because he was holding on to what hes got (his position of relative importance as the only doctor).

Beth knew that if Noah was allowed to go back ("I knew you'd come back to me.") then the whole thing would repeat itself. Noah would be condemned to be the plaything of Dawn and everybody else and it wouldn't end.
 
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Alpende

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Glad Beth is gone, she was the weakest characters for me. Also glad we won't get shitty Beth centered episodes anymore. Wrecking Rick in the beginning was all kinds of awesome and he needs to team up with Morgan to fuck shit up.
 
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Hobbestetrician

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Bandit1 said:
#AlwaysGoWithRick'sPlan
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Just re-watched the Season 2 episode where they find out Hershel (remember when he was crazy?) was keeping walkers in the barn, thinking they were just sick. He actually got Rick to help them wrangle a few more while Shane was having none of that shit. So Rick was fallible not that long ago.

#ShaneWasRight
 
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sfedai0

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Can you at least tell your team you're gonna go YOLO. And then she goes and stabs a shoulder. Who is gonna sing those beautiful songs now?
 
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zer0das

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Poor Beth. I think she's a bit of hero for breaking the cycle, but on the other hand it was kind of senseless. The cycle probably would have broken itself without her intervention at some point, given the way things were going.

I kind of think Noah sticking around is just to give the survivors an excuse to keep heading north, since his family is in Virginia. And then if they're in Virginia, why the hell not DC?

Also I'm glad the Office Shepherd (the female cop who got kidnapped by Rick) didn't die. She seemed okay.
 
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Alpende

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-Pyromaniac- said:
For those who read the comic (spoilers)
I have a feeling Glenn's death on the show is going to happen on some random episode and shock the shit out of everyone). Rather than having it saved for a finale.
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Yeah, I don't think they're gonna do that.
All prominent deaths have been in finales right?
 
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Joni

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Alpende said:
Yeah, I don't think they're gonna do that.
All prominent deaths have been in finales right?
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Certainly not. All really shocking deaths have been random episodes: Lori, T-Dog, Shane and Dale.

These people died in finales.

Joni said:
Season 1 Finale: Jacqui, Jenner.
Season 2 Mid-season: Zombie Sophia.
Season 2 Finale: Jimmy, Patricia.
Season 3 Mid-season: Donna, Zombie Penny, Oscar
Season 3 Finale: Milton, Andrea
Season 4 Mid-season: Hershel, Meghan, The Governor
Season 4 Finale: -
Season 5 Mid-season: Beth
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strafer said:
oh my
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Alpende

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Joni said:
Certainly not. All really shocking deaths have been random episodes: Lori, T-Dog, Shane and Dale.

These people died in finales.
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Okay, then it'd be pretty cool of they did that death in a random episode. It was shocking in the comics, so it should be shocking in the show.
 
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Hobbestetrician said:
Just re-watched the Season 2 episode where they find out Hershel (remember when he was crazy?) was keeping walkers in the barn, thinking they were just sick. He actually got Rick to help them wrangle a few more while Shane was having none of that shit. So Rick was fallible not that long ago.

#ShaneWasRight
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True, but Rick was just trying to stay in Herschel's good graces since they were all staying at his farm. I don't think he agreed with the idea of capturing and storing walkers.

But just the other day I was wishing Shane was still around. If he hadn't gone so crazy over Lori he and Rick could still be rolling together.
 
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thenexus6

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Not bad, glad that hospital bit is done with now, and that the entire group is back together. Rick continues to deliver while most other characters are underwhelming.

I called Beth would die before watching the episode so got that right. At least we won't ever have to listen to Beth sing around the fire anymore (like she probably would of if she didn't basically commit suicide)
 
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Linius

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Kuroyume said:
She's cute tho ♥♥♥♥♥♥



Which is exactly why Sasha or Carol should have died instead
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I was surprised to see she's from '85. For some reason I always figured she's more from around my age. She looks so young.
 
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Sadist

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So yeah, uh, what was the point of the hospital arc? Aside from Beth growing a pair, this was a pretty terrible arc. I still "enjoyed" watching the episode but honestly, it didn't add anything. When the season started it was clear from the start that Gareth wanted revenge. Rick retaliated accordingly. Bram and the others believed Eugene and they went for a ride. But the hospital storyline? "Yeah, we're taken in injured folk we can save. That's what we do. And you pay it off." Then what? "That's it". Everybody is so scared of Dawn apparently and it took us untill the midseason finale to discover her actions and the fear of her Police force. But they lacked impact. They feared something that was left unexplained for multiple episodes. As a viewer, it's not that engaging. Ah well, that's that for Beth. Gonna miss dem big old eyes though.

Things I did like;

- Rick bumping Bob was awesome. Made me think of a certain comic moment
- Ricktatorship Rick is best
- Bram with his excellent parking skills
- Something about Daryl crying makes me smile. I dunno why. I felt bad for the guy though.
- CQC of Dawn was amazing
- Daryl pulling out that gun and blasting through her head was awesome. Glad she's gone, wasn't very believable.
- Mooooooorgaaaaaaan!
 
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woolley said:
If they just sped things up and killed characters and end plots if they don't really go anywhere then people wouldn't care. If nobody cares then what's the point of the show? Just watching them killing a lot of things will get boring really fast. If there isn't really any emotional connection for a show about people trying to survive then there is no show.
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The cast is so bloated at this point that it's hard for any character to get enough screen time for the audience to build any sort of emotional connection with them. I don't want a character death every episode but at the moment there is relatively no sense of danger in the show until it's season/mid-season finale when you know they're going to take their token scalp.

Enco said:
I see what you're saying.

What kind of progress would you like to see? All I can think of is them building a really safe camp. But then that would bore a lot of people because there's no action. They could possible get another goal like with Eugene but make it real this time. But that's probably not the direction they want to go.
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Yeah, it's tough one alright. I don't think it has to be the group carrying a vial with the cure across the US or anything like that but I feel the show needs to be moving toward something. The second half of last season was probably my favourite run mostly because all roads pointed to terminus and gave the characters a unified goal and let the viewer know that even though the group was split up, it was always converging toward something.

I would have liked to see them extend the hunter arc and had the whole group travelling to Washington while being stalked by Gareth and company along the way. It would have at least given the show an established antagonist and kept the characters moving forward in a logical way. Instead, we got one group moving forward, another moving backwards and another staying in the middle all while knowing full well the writers would have to figure out how to get them all back together at some point. It just felt directionless. It probably had to do with them writing themselves into a corner with Beth.

If they want to continue with a large group then I don't think the show needs a long term goal, just something either making them want to move forward or something forcing them on. If they want to make the show more about survival, they should pare down the main group and focus on Rick and Carl and how the struggle for survival effect's their relationship. One thing TellTale's TWD does is well is while you know Clem is relatively safe, things could go wrong at moment and she'd be presented with a whole new load of problems with no great outcome and will end with at least someone getting fucked over.
 
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flyinpiranha

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I liked it. I don't really care about "story arcs" at this point. It's just day to day survival with messed up curve balls thrown in. I try not to focus on the main storyline or plotline.

I really like this season though. It sucks they killed off Beth. I think Maggie just thought she was dead so she put all her focus on her husband, at least that's how I explain it to myself. Regarding stabbing Dawn, right intentions, wrong approach ... kind of the story of everybody's life in this show.
 
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mujun

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silva1991 said:
I don't get it why did Beth stab Dawn ?
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She's toughened up and I guess that maybe it was meant to be an act of defiance and/or rage at the way Dawn was trying to get a "ward" back. I'm not sure whether we were meant to think that Beth thought she wouldn't get shot for what she did. She stabbed Dawn in the chest near her shoulder, didn't seem like it had any chance to kill her. Did she miss the neck or was she intentionally just trying to wound Dawn?
 
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