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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 1 Sundays on AMC
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WaffleTaco
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I don't really care if you are positive or negative about him, but you shouldn't say a character is zero dimensional when it's only the first look at him. Now after this season or maybe the mid-season and he still acts like he did today, and there is no reason for why he is, or he doesn't show a different personality when no one is around...than you could say he has no character depth and I would agree with you.
RatskyWatsky
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BoboBrazil
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Great episode. This is what I watch TWD for. One of the best episodes ever.
Prophecy650
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Just watched the episode... Fuck! I'm gonna need therapy... #fuckingglennbro
Uh, how? Are you comparing him to the comics or you just in general think his introduction was bad?
I think 60 minutes of "GRRR I'M EVIL" is plenty of time to form an opinion.
Not really, if those 60 minutes are basically one big scene instead of some time passing, while people get to see the motives behind a character.
It was 60 minutes of him trying to psychologically break down Rick, the only time his true self came out was at the very end when he grabbed him by the neck and got Rick to look at him how he wanted. I thought it was a brilliant performance, and showed that there's more to him than just some utterly monstrous bombastic showman.
Latvian Hitman
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Without going into spoiler territory, I'll just say that if you haven't read the comic, you basically know next to nothing about Negan at this point. He's not a one-note villain.
UberTag
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Ever since she told Lizzie to look at the flowers, the only person that has shook Carol is... Carol.
Alex_Mexico
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Not word for word because, you see, Negan can't say "fuck" on AMC. Maybe you couldn't notice that over all the splattered gore on screen.
Wow! So well done.
Looking back at the Glenn death fakeout early last season and how Abraham seemed to be setting himself up to die by falling in love I had decided it was going to be one of them that was intimate with Lucille.
Both choices had their benefits. Both choices has their negatives.
I am shocked and very pleased that the writers of the show were brave enough to go this route.
I am very excited to see how this season plays out.
Can't say I have ever watched a season premiere that created that much tension for me.
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Looking back at the Glenn death fakeout early last season and how Abraham seemed to be setting himself up to die by falling in love I had decided it was going to be one of them that was intimate with Lucille.
Both choices had their benefits. Both choices has their negatives.
I am shocked and very pleased that the writers of the show were brave enough to go this route.
I am very excited to see how this season plays out.
Can't say I have ever watched a season premiere that created that much tension for me.
👏👏👏
I've only read 5-6 issues beyond #100 in the comics, but Negan always just seemed like a sociopath to me. When does he become more than that? He has a code and an order that works, but I don't think of him as a simpleton even as depicted on the TV show. His manipulation of Rick in this episode pretty clearly shows that he's more than a base neanderthal.
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WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
You can form an opinion of him that he is a bad dude, but not character dimension. I mean he was literally trying to break the group down so that they would listen to him, of course he is going to act as sadistic as possible. I would also say him in the end not making Rick cut Carl's arm off, was showing that he was somewhat reasonable.
If anything, Negan is incredibly unreasonable. He was only going to kill one of them after their group had killed dozens of his in their sleep.
That whole sequence was one of the most convincing portrayals of someone's spirit breaking before our eyes I've ever seen. I don't know how people can say Lincoln is a bad actor.
Exactly. We're seeing everything from Rick's POV so our perspective is warped. Sure, most if not all of those guys were bad dudes, but Rick still killed a fuck ton of Negan's men and Negan only killed two in return. Amazing that he has the loyalty of so many guys when he's technically being incredibly forgiving to their enemies.
What did he mean by this?
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Carol + Morgan are gonna have to handle the business.
Rick is a dog. Out here calling Negan "daddy".
"I-I'll provide for you, d-daddy! I p-promise!"
Rick is a dog. Out here calling Negan "daddy".
"I-I'll provide for you, d-daddy! I p-promise!"
Rick... rieck.... reek?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Truth.
I am kinda sorry that Maggie didn't learn her lesson, and didn't feel any regret. She was the one that agreed and even pushed to take on Negan despite knowing nothing about the size or depth of his army. Instead of feeling even a moment of guilt, she immediately comes to the conclusion that they need to start fighting him again.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, in fact I thought that was going to be the reason they killed two of Rick's group, not because of Daryl being a dumbass.
I've always enjoyed Lincoln's acting. In the season 6 finale, he was also great at acting how someone realised they are truly screwed after each twist and turn there were more and more of Negan's men.
Care to elaborate?
But it isn't about being forgiving at all.
It's about ownership and power.
He needs Rick and his group to work/produce for him and his people.
In the books he talks about how there is no long term benefit to him by killing everyone.
But having people obey him, fear him and work for him has many benefits.
She was completely out of her mind already from pregnancy, and then just watched Glenn die. Might as well have been talking jibberish at that moment.
I know, but it's likely a lot of his men were begging him to kill them all for what they did. "We need them to make more money" could easily be seen as an excuse for being too nice to them, regardless of whatever long term benefits that might have.
Her partner just got his skull smashed to death, she's probably burning in anger and wants to destroy Negan, can't blame her tbh.
Keyser Soze
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What?!?!
For real?
You honestly think that people have the ability to make logical decisions when facing hugely intensive emotional situations?
Didn't Maggie even comment how that she was the reason that they were out there?
Lion Heart
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The show only has a few core members left, 4, 5 if you count Maggie. The writers have to be reaaaal careful cause if a few more die, the show loses steam with the audience since those guys are who we root for. Without them ratings are going to take a hit.
You are assuming that a large percentage of his men aren't also afraid of him.
You are assuming that the burns and scars that mang of these men have on them came from extracurricular activities.
What makes you think that Neegan hasn't used fear as a motivator in some of his other relationships?
That's my point. Loyalty of that level be it through fear or however else is impressive. And I've read the comics, I know how the burn marks got there. Dude is a certified sociopath.
Not necessarily, as characters die, new ones take their place- I fully expect Aaron, Sasha and Rosita for example to be more important characters going forward.
Just reread that issue and it's nearly the same in terms of what Negan displays as motivation. I don't know where you're getting this from.
Vestal
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She just watched 2 people one of whom is the father of her child have they're skulls crushed with a barbed bat and their brains basically splattered all over the ground.
Or they might introduce new characters to the show that are even more exciting. 😎
Negan sees value in human life, even if the value only comes from others' ability to benefit him. That doesn't make him good, but I think that makes him more than a "simpleton sociopath". A simpleton would have simply slaughtered the entire group under the pretense of revenge. Someone smart sees how to exploit the situation for personal gain.
I'm actually waiting for Carol to meet him just for that chain reaction.
I suppose that's fair enough. You can't expect her to have a clear mind at this moment.
At the same time, there needs to be a scene or episode in the future where Maggie realizes what she's done and deals with the weight of that. It's annoying to see people say "OMG Daryl got Glenn killed!" Maggie was the one who set this whole chain of events in motion. I think she deserves far more blame than Daryl. Her pride and arrogance is pretty much the reason that there's some zombie chowing down on Glenn's brains now.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
With Glenn and Abe eating up a lot of screen time last season, they can focus on bringing new characters into the front and making side characters be more important (Rosita, Spencer, Aaron, etc.) Now that the Atlanta 5 is the Atlanta 4, it's time to start thinking of the group as Pre-Alexandria or Pre-A for short and Post-A people. Most people would consider Maggie, Michonne, Morgan, and Eugene as staple members of the show with fleshed out personalities. They can go even further with Sasha, Rosita, Tara, & Gabriel. Plus they have Tobin, Spencer, Heath, Olivia, Eric & Aaron for Alexandria. If you include Hilltop, you have Gregory, Jesus, the doctor (?). It's all about character building.
So important characters here: Rick, Carl, Daryl, Carol, Maggie, Michonne, Morgan, Eugene
Side Characters: Sasha, Rosita, Tara, Gabriel, Aaron
Lesser side characters: Heath, Tobin, Spencer
Characters that just exist: Eric, Olivia
Lion Heart
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Ain't no one gives a shit about Rosita and Sasha. Who's Aaron again?
No seriously, they would have to spend a couple years making these potential new characters important to the viewers. So that means the Core 4 need to survive for at least that duration. Eventually though, if you have basically a brand new cast, you lost any chance of an ending with a payoff.
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