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[KeyBladerXIII]

"The episode added cheap tension by leading the audience to believe that Rick would cut off his son’s arm. It was horrifically violent. It was cruel."

How is this cheap? Is this explained somewhere in the article? It was really long and really dumb. I don't want to read the whole thing.

I don't get their argument. That situation has happened thousands of times, going back to the Bible. The Binding of Isaac wasn't any cheaper here than it was anywhere else.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

It is very possible to imagine a scenario where if Rick killed Negan when no one else is around, that he could have saved everyone else. Like the one poster said, come back, drive into the crowd, he would have Negan's gun so just start shooting. Maybe even put Negan's head on a stake on the front of the RV so everyone knows he dead, and the herd is now leaderless and very possibly could scatter. Or any other multitude of scenarios that I could concoct where most of the remainder of Rick's team survives AND Negan and his clan are no longer a threat.

Wow. As ridiculous as that scenario is, let's say it happens. You've now killed off the comic's central antagonist. Exactly where does the story go from here? Spend another season watching our group patch holes in the wall and make botched supply runs while building up another villain or group only to have our superheroes touch their rings together and obliterate them during their first encounter? Do we really need to keep watching that?

Last night's episode kicks off the most interesting and entertaining chain of events that the comic has ever produced. I think it'd be a terrible idea for the show to skip it so that Rick and Co. can flex their supermuscles yet again.

 

[Deadstar]

I didn't feel like I was in Rick's shoes. My reaction was: "I'm so tired of this, I haven't missed this show in it's absence, and I don't care what happens to the characters from now on." This relentless gore porn-fest just put a full stop on that thought for me.

You realize this show has been about killing zombies/people for 6+ seasons. It has been consistently brutal. Last night's show was brutal, but it had to be. The walking dead is not a happy place. Bad things happen and there are consequences.

 

[Surfinn]

Negan egged him on to try when Negan knew he had the upper hand. There were multiple times within the episode when it was just Rick and Negan that Rick could have attempted something with a much higher chance for success. Not saying he would have succeeded, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

I think Negan gets off on providing that perception, though. I honestly don't think he ever would have let Rick overtake him. It's a part of his game and character. Plus Rick is physically and emotionally distraught. He's in no place to attack someone as prepared and capable as Negan (in this instance).

It is very possible to imagine a scenario where if Rick killed Negan when no one else is around, that he could have saved everyone else. Like the one poster said, come back, drive into the crowd, he would have Negan's gun so just start shooting. Maybe even put Negan's head on a stake on the front of the RV so everyone knows he dead, and the herd is now leaderless and very possibly could scatter. Or any other multitude of scenarios that I could concoct where most of the remainder of Rick's team survives AND Negan and his clan are no longer a threat.

Yeah, this is some action hero type writing, I'm glad they didn't try something like this. Rick is in NO shape, emotionally or physically, to pull this off or even have the confidence that it'd work. Plus.. the risk is too great.

 

[darkstar0155]

They haven't gotten out of worse shit. Even Terminus doesn't compare.

Negan has literally hundreds working for him, outposts everywhere, not to mention his main base of operations.

Rick and the rest of the group would have been killed if Rick killed Negan. Look at what The Saviors did to their group and that was just a "demonstration"

But if Negan is dead... don't you think those who are left would start to abandon the "group" and pretty much become a fractured group. Especially since so many of them are only part of the group because of the threat of Negan itself?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Do the blurays have all uncensored episodes?

Just the finale of last season afaik.

Also, what the hell is with these outlets and some here having an issue now?

Most of the time it seems the majority are screaming for action, action, action; death, death, death. Episodes where this doesn't happen, even fantastic character building pieces, are considered boring trash.

At the same time, the complaints role in that all the action and deaths are devoid of substance.

So here we finally are at an episode that is full of going ons, character building/tearing down, meaningful deaths, and and every moment counts, and some how the show is now jumping the shark?

How many of those disturbed by the arm scene were screaming for a violent/horrible death for Carl for half the show'starts run?

Where were the issues when Carl was going to be raped in front of his father? When he shot Lori? When Rick tore throats out with his teeth? When Everybody Ate Chris?

How many watch Game of Thrones and hold it up despite the far more meaningless moments of violence (let's not forget Littlefingers sexpositions...)?

It was a brutal episode. It wasn't perfect , especially with the finale bullshit hanging overhead. But as someone else said, the fact that it made you feel in those moments instead of just being entertained is an accomplishment. That the show made me actually believe it was possible in the moment for Carl to go through that, despite that (comic spoiler)

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it would ruin the great dynamic between Carl and Negan that develps when Carl attempts to lone wolf the Saviors

,demonstrateso how well written and acted that scene was.

 

[Chumley]

Negan rules through pure fear and nothing more. There is a certain logic to Rick cutting his head off and holding it up high as he emerges from the RV and that resulting in Negan's men basically folding instead of killing everyone in return. But that would make for a pretty boring season and it makes more sense that Rick doesn't try anything because he actually is afraid of what might happen if he does.

 

[IcyRhythms]

They've certainly never been up against a threat like this before. That's for sure. They underestimated what they were dealing with all of last season. That being said, we know AMC has set up a good revenge story and Negan has never met a group like this. They'll fight, they'll bring in other people, and Rick's group will win, even if at the cost of more of our favorite characters.

 

[More_Badass]

But if Negan is dead... don't you think those who are left would start to abandon the "group" and pretty much become a fractured group. Especially since so many of them are only part of the group because of the threat of Negan itself?

I really doubt that most are. The big group in the outpost weren't there out of fear. I think much more are there because they want to and are true believers than being motivated out of fear.

They are all Negan, remember?

If Rick was killed, would those that are left abandon the group?

 

[darkstar0155]

Wow. As ridiculous as that scenario is, let's say it happens. You've now killed off the comic's central antagonist. Exactly where does the story go from here? Spend another season watching our group patch holes in the wall and make botched supply runs while building up another villain or group only to have our superheroes touch their rings together and obliterate them during their first encounter? Do we really need to keep watching that?

Last night's episode kicks off the most interesting and entertaining chain of events that the comic has ever produced. I think it'd be a terrible idea for the show to skip it so that Rick and Co. can flex their supermuscles yet again.

And that's my issue with all of last season right there in a nutshell. Having characters do things they wouldn't normally do just to arrive at a pre-determined plot point. Carol doing stupid shit she wouldn't normally do, Darryl doing stupid shit he wouldn't normally do, Rick doing stupid shit he wouldn't normally do.

I agree that the show had become sort of stagnant, and this could/should breathe fresh life into it. But it did it at the expense of letting the story naturally progress imo.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Can someone tell me the significance of the dinner scene? If there is anything to it other than, what could have been if things turned out how you'd like them to? etc etc.

 

[Deadstar]

I thought it was one of most tense episodes the walking dead has ever had. It was fantastic. Gruesome, yes. Offensive, yes. But that was the point. It showed how ruthless Negan is and why you don't cross him. I can't wait to see where this goes.

Also, regarding people quitting the show, I think part of it is losing characters they liked and have been watching for many seasons. I definitely feel that.

 

[Exploratory]

Constantly complaining?

Some of us invested 6+ years of our lives into these characters so we have a god damn fucking right to be pissed off with AMC manipulating the fuck out of us with gimmicks.

Armchair quarterbacking? It doesn't take a genius to understand cinematic story structure and character development. In fact the average person has seen so much TV that they're likely to have an extremely good grasp of those areas.

What bothers me is not the violence (although I can't stand the fan's desire for Rick's murder sprees - mostly because it really does seem to have elements of the torture porn vibe the verge talk about which tends to drown out the actual character development that goes on) but the fake outs (Glenn's dumpster death being one good example) and little narrative tricks they employ.

Theres a difference between complaining for complaining sake and having legitimate qualms about the show. I agree with the idea that they shouldn't have jerked the audience around so much when it comes to Glenn. It significantly reduced the effect of him dying.

But I'm seeing people complaining about a whole lot of other stuff without making any sense.

Rick's best chance was to put that axe in Negan's head when he was telling him to cut off Carl's arm. Negan's crew would've been stunned long enough for at least some of Rick's crew to grab weapons. Not that it was a great chance, but it was the only time Negan had his guard down and Rick had a weapon.

This is a bad idea this is my problem with this line of thinking.

First you're assuming Rick would be successful and he likely wouldn't. He would likely cause another person in his group to die and since Neegan has proved he's willing to do thag why would he take that risk? Neegan has already made it clear he doesn't want to kill all of them so it's best to live and fight another day.

Second even if he did successfully did kill Neegan you're making another assumption that Neegan's group (army) would be so stunned that Rick's group would be able to take the upper hand. So even if they somehow were stunned and somehow turned the tables on them they're grossly outnumbered and still have a line of leadership.

The point isn't to argue about how Rick would save the group because if the writers wanted him to save the group, he would have damned well saved the group and we would have all moved on to the next arc.

The point is, it makes no sense for Rick to not have another go at the guy who just brutally murdered his two friends and can easily murder him and everyone else. Rick had no idea what he was up to and he was all alone with him. It was his best shot at getting as much people out alive as he will ever have in that scenario.

How can you rationalize that statement whrn Neegan has shown he's willing to kill people to get his point across but he doesn't want to? Having another gi most likely directly leads to more of his family dying. Waiting it out does not.

Darryl acted out at a retarded moment. Them walking out of that scenario alive and only losing 1 more person, or none, is no more ridiculous than the multiple of other times they have walked out of "hopeless scenarios".

And I've been following this thread a decent amount, I haven't seen much discussion about "what if rick killed Negan in the RV" so not sure how that's in the extreme minority. Im not even saying it would have worked, mostly I'm just saying it would have been more in line of Rick's persona. Just playing devils advocate.

He tried to kill Neegan in the TV and Neegan was ready. Theres nothing to indicate he had his guard down at any point. He got ready and he stayed ready.

 

[darkstar0155]

I really doubt that most are. The big group in the outpost weren't there out of fear. I think much more are there because they want to and are true believers than being motivated out of fear.

They are all Negan, remember?

If Rick was killed, would those that are left abandon the group?

There is no way to know if they were at that outpost out of fear. Having the polaroid's of people with their heads bashed in could create an argument that they were staying with the "pack" out of fear, and were having those polaroid's as a reminder.

Rick doesn't create his "group" based on fear and the worry if people don't do what he says that he will bash their heads in with a bat.

 

[disappeared]

Can someone tell me the significance of the dinner scene? If there is anything to it other than, what could have been if things turned out how you'd like them to? etc etc.

I think it was just a literal visual presentation of the Sunday dinner Negan mentioned.

 

[dustyherb]

But if Negan is dead... don't you think those who are left would start to abandon the "group" and pretty much become a fractured group. Especially since so many of them are only part of the group because of the threat of Negan itself?

Remember the lady that said, "we are all Negan."
I'm sure there's some people who would turn against Negan but I really don't think most would. Especially with Negan's right hand man (Simon) still being alive.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I get what you are both saying. However, to me the argument of "he kills Negan than instantly that translates into all of them being killed" is just pushing the story to a specific conclusion, regardless of if it is the most or least likely scenario. It is very possible to imagine a scenario where if Rick killed Negan when no one else is around, that he could have saved everyone else. Like the one poster said, come back, drive into the crowd, he would have Negan's gun so just start shooting. Maybe even put Negan's head on a stake on the front of the RV so everyone knows he dead, and the herd is now leaderless and very possibly could scatter. Or any other multitude of scenarios that I could concoct where most of the remainder of Rick's team survives AND Negan and his clan are no longer a threat.

It sorta goes along with my complaint about the entire last season.. the characters are making decisions to push the story to a certain plot point, not having the characters make decisions that make sense for that character and follow the believable progression of the story.

Your imagined scenario seems like precisely the thing you're complaining about: Plot pushing the characters.

The fantasies that some fans have of Rick being some terminator like killer are part of the problem IMHO. He's a broken man acting out of intense deep emotional and psychological trauma, which was quite frankly brought out in front of everyone by Negan.

The appeal in the show (for me) is in how he develops beyond that. In my opinion seeing Rick gun people down and be a kick ass hero is kinda puerile, and something I've grown tired of seeing fans desire in Rick.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The critic reviews for this episode have been hilarious

 

[Surfinn]

Darryl acted out at a retarded moment. Them walking out of that scenario alive and only losing 1 more person, or none, is no more ridiculous than the multiple of other times they have walked out of "hopeless scenarios".

And I've been following this thread a decent amount, I haven't seen much discussion about "what if rick killed Negan in the RV" so not sure how that's in the extreme minority. Im not even saying it would have worked, mostly I'm just saying it would have been more in line of Rick's persona. Just playing devils advocate.

That fits with Daryl's character, though. He's always been the hot headed dude who wants to just punch someone in the mouth (or worse) when someone inside of his family is threatened or killed. Think about how he reacted when he found out about Meryl in S1. He always flies off the handle in these types of situations so I was pretty happy to see that they kept in line with his personality. And don't forget about his instant reaction to shoot that cop when Beth died.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

And that's my issue with all of last season right there in a nutshell. Having characters do things they wouldn't normally do just to arrive at a pre-determined plot point.

The tentpole writing's been going on for quite a bit longer than just last season. Though, I agree with you in general. That's just the way the show is, unfortunately.

The appeal in the show (for me) is in how he develops beyond that. In my opinion seeing Rick gun people down and be a kick ass hero is kinda puerile, and something I've grown tired of seeing fans desire in Rick.

.

 

[Chumley]

Remember the lady that said, "we are all Negan."
I'm sure there's some people who would turn against Negan but I really don't think most would. Especially with Negan's right hand man (Simon) still being alive.

Fuckin Trevor Phillips

 

[disappeared]

Remember the lady that said, "we are all Negan."
I'm sure there's some people who would turn against Negan but I really don't think most would. Especially with Negan's right hand man (Simon) still being alive.

That brings to mind something I noticed in the episode, there wasn't a single female soldier in the group that surround Rick's group. I wonder if the women are designated different roles other than merely grunt work.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Killing Glen made zero sense after keeping him alive last season.

Should have kept him alive and made Rick actually chop off Carl's arm.

 

[darkstar0155]

Theres a difference between complaining for complaining sake and having legitimate qualms about the show. I agree with the idea that they shouldn't have jerked the audience around so much when it comes to Glenn. It significantly reduced the effect of him dying.

But I'm seeing people complaining about a whole lot of other stuff without making any sense.



This is a bad idea this is my problem with this line of thinking.

First you're assuming Rick would be successful and he likely wouldn't. He would likely cause another person in his group to die and since Neegan has proved he's willing to do thag why would he take that risk? Neegan has already made it clear he doesn't want to kill all of them so it's best to live and fight another day.

Second even if he did successfully did kill Neegan you're making another assumption that Neegan's group (army) would be so stunned that Rick's group would be able to take the upper hand. So even if they somehow were stunned and somehow turned the tables on them they're grossly outnumbered and still have a line of leadership.



How can you rationalize that statement whrn Neegan has shown he's willing to kill people to get his point across but he doesn't want to? Having another gi most likely directly leads to more of his family dying. Waiting it out does not.



He tried to kill Neegan in the TV and Neegan was ready. Theres nothing to indicate he had his guard down at any point. He got ready and he stayed ready.

He tried once, when Negan was egging him on to try it and there was some distance between them. There were multiple times they were standing literally right beside each other where it would effectively come down to a brawl and last man standing.

 

[Ultra Numb]

Should have kept him alive and made Rick actually chop off Carl's arm.

Oh come on, the kid has been through enough!

 

[Frankfurter]

Negan was clearly testing Rick in the RV and was obviously fully prepared for him to attack. The man isn't some punk that's going to be taken down by an opportunistic attack that he himself set up.

What I got from the comics and this episode was the terminator Rick everyone loved was an arrogant pretender fueled by emotional trauma. Negan on the other has his issues but he loves what he does and is far stronger than Rick because of it, and that's the difference. However, Rick has certain advantages that Negan doesn't... which will be explored.

While I agree, there definitely was a situation where he turned his back on Rick and Rick had the axe and was maybe ~10 feet behind him. He could have thrown his axe and either killed or at the very least seriously injured him (especially with the way characters in the show are able to handle weapons). I'm not saying that would have been the logical thing to do, but at the very least there was no way Negan could have prevented that attack and would have to have insane reflexes (or eyes in his back) to see that attack coming.

 

[L.O.R.D]

fuck,,,that was great beginning
this will carved in their brain for long time,i hope that won't ruin this season.

but i didn't understand why Negan said daryl was brave and rick was coward?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

The critic reviews for this episode have been hilarious

How many people still make fun of the dumpster death fakeout? I know I've seen a fair few.

 

[More_Badass]

There is no way to know if they were at that outpost out of fear. Having the polaroid's of people with their heads bashed in could create an argument that they were staying with the "pack" out of fear, and were having those polaroid's as a reminder.

Rick doesn't create his "group" based on fear and the worry if people don't do what he says that he will bash their heads in with a bat.

No, he created it out of threatening them with the option of listening to him or staying behind to survive alone. And then he and his core group of loyal followers plotted to overthrow and take control of a peaceful settlement through force and violence because it wasn't strong enough to fight back and the weak ones were going to die anyway

 

[Surfinn]

He tried once, when Negan was egging him on to try it and there was some distance between them. There were multiple times they were standing literally right beside each other where it would effectively come down to a brawl and last man standing.

Do you really think Negan isn't in control in these situations given the shit Rick has gone through in the last few hours/day? He's toying with Rick.. part of Negan's character is being able to read people well. But either way he's got a backup plan in case he needs it (being able to overpower Rick in his emotional/physical state).

 

[Chumley]

While I agree, there definitely was a situation where he turned his back on Rick and Rick had the axe and was maybe ~10 feet behind him. He could have thrown his axe and either killed or at the very least seriously injured him (especially with the way characters in the show are able to handle weapons). I'm not saying that would have been the logical thing to do, but at the very least there was no way Negan could have prevented that attack and would have to have insane reflexes (or eyes in his back) to see that attack coming.

Rick could have easily overpowered Negan if he just knocked the rifle out of his hands. Even with a big ass leather coat on JDM still looks 40 pounds lighter than Lincoln.

 

[Bigfoot]

Killing Glen made zero sense after keeping him alive last season.

Should have kept him alive and made Rick actually chop off Carl's arm.

It made perfect sense. They kept him alive last season so they could kill him here.

 

[ZOONAMI]

While I agree, there definitely was a situation where he turned his back on Rick and Rick had the axe and was maybe ~10 feet behind him. He could have thrown his axe and either killed or at the very least seriously injured him (especially with the way characters in the show are able to handle weapons). I'm not saying that would have been the logical thing to do, but at the very least there was no way Negan could have prevented that attack and would have to have insane reflexes (or eyes in his back) to see that attack coming.

It isn't easy to throw an axe and actually have it do any damage. The metal part would basically need to hit neegan square on the head to do enough damage when he's holding an m4 to not turn around and empty a clip on you.

If the show Has shown Rick previously throwing axes effortlessly at people's heads I stand corrected.

 

[darkstar0155]

The tentpole writing's been going on for quite a bit longer than just last season. Though, I agree with you in general. That's just the way the show is, unfortunately.



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Yeah, for sure its been going on for awhile now, and the show definitely either needed to change it up, or draw to a conclusion. Too much of a cash cow though to end it.

Also, I'm just bringing or helping to create a "what if" discussion/devils advocate. I don't think a scenario where Rick kills Negan, and gets out of the situation with just him, carl, michone, and Daryl still alive is outside the bounds of what has happened on the show previously.

 

[Surfinn]

Rick could have easily overpowered Negan if he just knocked the rifle out of his hands. Even with a big ass leather coat on JDM still looks 40 pounds lighter than Lincoln.

Are you serious? I think people are forgetting the state Rick and co. are in. They're not action heroes and they're certainly in in position to do anything about having their hands tied. Negan would have put him on his ass and nothing would have happened. Why would we assume that Rick would magically be able to disarm Negan, who is prepared for an attack, in this situation?

 

[darkstar0155]

While I agree, there definitely was a situation where he turned his back on Rick and Rick had the axe and was maybe ~10 feet behind him. He could have thrown his axe and either killed or at the very least seriously injured him (especially with the way characters in the show are able to handle weapons). I'm not saying that would have been the logical thing to do, but at the very least there was no way Negan could have prevented that attack and would have to have insane reflexes (or eyes in his back) to see that attack coming.

or when he was literally directly beside him. There were definitely scenarios where it would have come down to a brawl between rick and negan.

 

[Nokagi]

Did you read the article? Doesn't seem like it. They clearly spelled out that they quit because of how cheaply emotionally manipulative the show has become, yet maintaining the pretense that it's special and thoughtful.

Did you? Show has always been cheaply manipulative. What's changed now? Oh right. The brutal scenes that were "outrageously grotesque, and utterly out of character." Laugh.

 

[darkstar0155]

No, he created it out of threatening them with the option of listening to him or staying behind to survive alone. And then he and his core group of loyal followers plotted to overthrow and take control of a peaceful settlement through force and violence because it wasn't strong enough to fight back and the weak ones were going to die anyway

That's a huge difference than what Negan's group has done.

 

[Chumley]

Are you serious? I think people are forgetting the state Rick and co. are in. They're not action heroes and they're certainly in in position to do anything about having their hands tied. Negan would have put him on his ass and nothing would have happened. Why would we assume that Rick would magically be able to disarm Negan, who is prepared for an attack, in this situation?

Rick is ridiculously strong and was full of rage at that moment. If we're making bets on who wins in a scramble between the two I'll take Rick over the scrawny older dude.

 

[Surfinn]

While I agree, there definitely was a situation where he turned his back on Rick and Rick had the axe and was maybe ~10 feet behind him. He could have thrown his axe and either killed or at the very least seriously injured him (especially with the way characters in the show are able to handle weapons). I'm not saying that would have been the logical thing to do, but at the very least there was no way Negan could have prevented that attack and would have to have insane reflexes (or eyes in his back) to see that attack coming.

The fact that people expect Rick and co. to be capable of this kind of stuff really shows how much they've dominated their opposition in previous seasons.

Now we're expecting Rick to kill people with throwing axes after hours of exhaustion?

Rick is ridiculously strong and was full of rage at that moment. If we're making bets on who wins in a scramble between the two I'll take Rick over the scrawny older dude.

OK, given he somehow IS able to overtake him, THEN what's the plan? Drive the RV back into literally an army of hundreds and headshot them all while driving, hoping they don't instantly execute their prisoners? Rick understands that he's between a rock and a hard place and that he's gotta do what he's told or more people die.

 

[Bigfoot]

Did you? Show has always been cheaply manipulative. What's changed now? Oh right. The brutal scenes that were "outrageously grotesque, and utterly out of character." Laugh.

I really don't get the "cheaply emotionally manipulative" complaint. A season ending cliff hanger is nothing new for television. It made last night's episode extra tense. Putting the killing off an extra 20 minutes was good too... I liked the build up. Also I'm glad they did the Abe "fake-out". It made Glenn's death a huge surprise.

Do people just want everything to play out right away without all the tension?

 

[eyeball_kid]

This is a bad idea this is my problem with this line of thinking.

First you're assuming Rick would be successful and he likely wouldn't. He would likely cause another person in his group to die and since Neegan has proved he's willing to do thag why would he take that risk? Neegan has already made it clear he doesn't want to kill all of them so it's best to live and fight another day.

I didn't say it was a good idea, only that it was his best shot. Either that, or biting Negan's neck when he got up close to Rick's face.

Let's not forget that Rick got pushed to the edge before when they were going to rape Carl. Rick didn't care about anything except killing that guy. They all could've gotten killed during that incident, but Rick went into rage mode anyway because protecting his family is job number one. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility to take any chance he could when told to harm his boy.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

Rick is ridiculously strong and was full of rage at that moment. If we're making bets on who wins in a scramble between the two I'll take Rick over the scrawny older dude.

Yeah nothing compares to dad strength.

 

[darkstar0155]

Are you serious? I think people are forgetting the state Rick and co. are in. They're not action heroes and they're certainly in in position to do anything about having their hands tied. Negan would have put him on his ass and nothing would have happened. Why would we assume that Rick would magically be able to disarm Negan, who is prepared for an attack, in this situation?

Do you really think Negan isn't in control in these situations given the shit Rick has gone through in the last few hours/day? He's toying with Rick.. part of Negan's character is being able to read people well. But either way he's got a backup plan in case he needs it (being able to overpower Rick in his emotional/physical state).

Two things about this, yes Rick n Co are messed in the head, but really they have only been seriously messing with him for what, an hour at the most that would have really messed with Rick's head? Rick had no issues up till they were surrounded in the woods, the time from that moment to being in the RV with Negan alone amounts to what, 1 hr? 3 tops?

Rick has been portrayed as a "action hero" type for the last few seasons really. So its not out of the question or realm of argument.

I don't see any great argument where a brawl between Rick and Negan in the RV would instantly lead to Negan winning. Rick is distressed.. when people are crazy they are even harder to fight. When rick and Negan are directly beside each other Negan couldn't have used his gun, it would have been a straight brawl at that point.

 

[ComputerBlue]

I think it was just a literal visual presentation of the Sunday dinner Negan mentioned.

Alright, thanks.

Someone said here yesterday..."Wow, they actually showed the dinner scene". Didn't know if they said it because it had some kind of significance.

 

[Frankfurter]

The fact that people expect Rick and co. to be capable of this kind of stuff really shows how much they've dominated their opposition in previous seasons.

Now we're expecting Rick to kill people with throwing axes after hours of exhaustion?



OK, given he somehow IS able to overtake him, THEN what's the plan? Drive the RV back into literally an army of hundreds and headshot them all while driving, hoping they don't instantly execute their prisoners? Rick understands that he's between a rock and a hard place and that he's gotta do what he's told or more people die.

Why not? An axe isn't exactly heavy or anything. Rick was able to hold onto a walker for 20 or 30 seconds with his bare hands (i.e. holding all of his body weight with just his arms), why wouldn't he be able to throw an axe?

 

[WickedLaharl]

Yeah. They trolled his possible death forever, made you think he spared him only to do him in.

Kinda lame they got rid of two people btw. I thought it was funny how they had filmed all of them getting the initial hit, like they didn't know who to settle on.

I will say though, Gimple was on @midnight over a year ago and he said in a totally serious tone of voice that Glenn would get killed by Negan. I think they've been planning this forever but enjoyed trolling fans along the way, making them think the show would deviate from the comic and keep him going. Kind of lame.

Not sure if I'll keep watching this show, I show less interest with every passing season.

Yep given how glenn played out last season combined with Abraham's death it is easily TWD's lamest gotcha.

That said i haven't cared about glenn for the past 3 seasons but i am a bit sad Ab died for a fake out. Negan is great though and i hope he is actually in most episodes instead of just heing a looming threat.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

USA Today claims the show jumped the shark.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...dead-season-7-premiere-fan-reaction/92669814/

How so..?

The Verge quitting the show. Can't say I blame em.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/24/...-7-premiere-recap-review-end-of-quitters-club

Well I couldn't agree more. Last night's episode was horrible. It would've been less awful if we didnt come from a stupid 7 month long cliffhanger. It was needlessly cruel and gore-y.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Rick is ridiculously strong and was full of rage at that moment. If we're making bets on who wins in a scramble between the two I'll take Rick over the scrawny older dude.

Good god. Is this a TWD thread, or are we on Sherdog arguing about UFC 206?

 

[darkstar0155]

Why not? An axe isn't exactly heavy or anything. Rick was able to hold onto a walker for 20 or 30 seconds with his bare hands (i.e. holding all of his body weight with just his arms), why wouldn't he be able to throw an axe?

Plus, who says he has to kill him with the axe or even seriously injure him? Getting him off balance so rick can get close enough for a brawl is all that was needed.

Or you know, the multiple times rick was DIRECTLY BESIDE negan where he could have started a straight brawl, and going off of rick's character, you would think he would think he would win.

This all begs the point of if it would be a good idea, but imo its more likely rick would have done this than not going off of who his character is.