StealthGoblin
Banned
Water isn’t wet. It makes things it comes into contact with wet.
I agree with the sentiment she’s saying, but there are a few inaccuracies. I don’t think the new saga was good at all, just to put that out there.
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‘Star Wars’ Editor Marcia Lucas Slams Kathleen Kennedy and J.J. Abrams: ‘They Don’t Have a Clue’
I agree with the sentiment she’s saying, but there are a few inaccuracies. I don’t think the new saga was good at all, just to put that out there.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
I was pretty disappointed when the prequels came out and it was just Jango fetts everywhere. I always thought the clone wars was more like secret invasion from marvel and the jedi were the only ones who could tell who were clones so they were killed off. So kinda like Zahn.Zahn’s trilogy is the perfect sequel trilogy. It’s my canon. It introduced great new characters and ideas, did the OG characters justice, told a ripping yarn, and captured the essence of Star Wars. Why the fuck they didn’t adapt the Thrawn Trilogy is something that pisses me off still to this day.
Instead we got absolute drivel from Abrams and his merry band of morons, and whatever self indulgent crap Rian was trying to pass off as a Star Wars movie. Abrams has single-handedly ruined two great franchises, but the prick keeps floating up to the top. Grrr.
edit: just realised I already said the same shit, in this very thread a year ago
Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. Filiono and Favreau surpassed her years ago. Her lack of direction and planning helped ruin the sequels. Now they've completely cheapened Star Wars, especially the films.
Ionian
Member
Zahn’s trilogy is the perfect sequel trilogy. It’s my canon. It introduced great new characters and ideas, did the OG characters justice, told a ripping yarn, and captured the essence of Star Wars. Why the fuck they didn’t adapt the Thrawn Trilogy is something that pisses me off still to this day.
Instead we got absolute drivel from Abrams and his merry band of morons, and whatever self indulgent crap Rian was trying to pass off as a Star Wars movie. Abrams has single-handedly ruined two great franchises, but the prick keeps floating up to the top. Grrr.
edit: just realised I already said the same shit, in this very thread a year ago
Agreed, how they never used those books seems moronic.
dr_octagon
Banned
They didn't make it rhyme, like poetry.
VulcanRaven
Member
Actually the new movies rhyme a lot with the two previous trilogies.
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Dirk Benedict
Member
She's clearly got no idea what she's talking about, the sequels were masterpieces.
That looks like clown world supreme.
ManaByte
Banned
They hilariously scream into webcams in YouTube videos how they must bring back George Lucas to remake the sequel trilogy...when his outline was The Last Jedi...
Star Wars: How George Lucas' Episode VII Outline Became The Last Jedi
George Lucas helped shape Star Wars: The Last Jedi because the film's plot was basically his story for Episode VII.
www.denofgeek.com
dr_octagon
Banned
I imagine the waiters at Red Lobster are dressed up as lobsters like this. I'm not from US so cannot fact check.
She's clearly got no idea what she's talking about, the sequels were masterpieces.
TheMan
Member
Some of her complaints….
Leah’s out because carrie fisher died. Harrison is old as fuck and probably wanted out…he’d be out in a decase anyway. Luke…yeah that was dumb I’ll give her that. All told, I get her attachment to the OGs but must we keep them forever? At some point we have to move on.
Leah’s out because carrie fisher died. Harrison is old as fuck and probably wanted out…he’d be out in a decase anyway. Luke…yeah that was dumb I’ll give her that. All told, I get her attachment to the OGs but must we keep them forever? At some point we have to move on.
dr_octagon
Banned
Pricess Leia, get her.Actually the new movies rhyme a lot with the two previous trilogies.
Skywalker, AT walker.
Han Solo, yolo.
Chewy, wookie.
R2, pew pew.
CP30, let's go.
Kylo Ren doesn't rhyme with anything.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Why is Kylo Ren stabbing the ground?
Dirk Benedict
Member
Yeah, did you notice the delay from the Imperial guard when attack his saber? Shit choreography. That Imperial Guard also looked like he was a bumbling idiot after the two interactions. lol..... . .. .. .
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
If you read the comics you’ll be saying “Artoo”
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Looks also a lot like stunt actors always waiting for the actors too… shitty scene…
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Seems like one of many articles trying to justify how awesome TLJ was or deflect criticism by trying to attach Lucas to it and well forgetting that execution is a great deal in delivering this and details can make it or break it even though there may be surface level similarities (let alone how this was how VII started and how it was given space to develop instead of killing Luke off right away to try to remove a barrier to the new lead character… which has failed btw).They hilariously scream into webcams in YouTube videos how they must bring back George Lucas to remake the sequel trilogy...when his outline was The Last Jedi...
Star Wars: How George Lucas' Episode VII Outline Became The Last Jedi
George Lucas helped shape Star Wars: The Last Jedi because the film's plot was basically his story for Episode VII.
For the faults the prequel trilogy had, a coherent story arc was not one.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Actually the new movies rhyme a lot with the two previous trilogies.
The prequels were poor, the originals were a hit... but nothing's as bad as the Disney sequel shit.
ManaByte
Banned
No they actually released the concept art from Lucas’ version in books. That’s what it’s from and it’s true whether or not you want to accept it.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
The sequels were so utterly bad, they made the prequels look kinda rad?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am not saying it is not true, but if you think it would have come out like TLJ instead of sharing “some” beats in different ways… but no, concept art proves Lucas was doing a TLJ like effort. Luke would have almost certainly have had a proper arc, not being put down / demystified to make space for a new generation that has failed to generate anywhere near that impact.
ManaByte
Banned
The books confirmed his outline for 7 was TLJ. When Abrams was hired, he threw that out to remake ANH.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Even from the description posted the movie was really different (why he felt broken and the self reflection more than rejection of everything he believed in), if Luke had died would have been in the last episode. Outline means little… execution, details, and how it fits inside the trilogy means a lot more.
ManaByte
Banned
Luke died in Lucas' episode VIII.
Star Wars Reveals Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker Was To Be Killed in Original Episode 8 Script
A page from an upcoming book asserts that George Lucas planned to kill off Luke Skywalker in Episode VIII as well.
thedirect.com
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Oh whoa… two movies vs part of one. Again, final movie Vs excerpt and concept art of not a finished script… once more execution and detail matters, but we are moving forward. From angered defense to “Lucas too”Luke died in Lucas' episode VIII.
Star Wars Reveals Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker Was To Be Killed in Original Episode 8 Script
A page from an upcoming book asserts that George Lucas planned to kill off Luke Skywalker in Episode VIII as well.
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… and well rumors and speculation (we do not have Lucas’s own work stating that) as we have “people defending TLJ trying to paint this as Lucas too” that are pushing this line.
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ManaByte
Banned
Yes, we do. That's what the official books are drawing from. These are official releases, not gossip rags.
JJ took Lucas' outlines and threw it away to remake ANH. Lucas' original Episode VII was basically TLJ but with different character names, and The Jedi Killer (who became Kylo Ren) was seduced to the Dark Side by Darth Talon from the SW Legacy comics because Lucas had some kind of fetish for her (he also forced her into the cancelled Darth Maul game). Rey/Kira came from a snow planet in his Ep 7 instead of Not-Tatooine and the sunken Death Star wreckage and Palpatine used in TROS was a Lucas idea; although Kira was ALWAYS a nobody in Lucas' version. His point of his ST was that the family name was stronger than the bloodline, coming from his 20 years of raising three adopted kids. Kira was to become a Jedi in Lucas' version and take the Skywalker name, but she was never meant to be the daughter of anyone and just have a high midichorlian count. That too, Lucas' ST wasn't going to have any X-Wings, TIE Fighters, or nostalgia bait and be all about the midichorlians everyone hated from TPM.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I've stopped caring about most of my childhood fandoms. The only thing of marginal quality from Disney Wars is Thrawn, but it's still bad fanfiction. Same way that Star Trek ended with the last episode of Enterprise.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It had one key thing the sequels lack.
Amazing world building. The creativity in the worlds, tech, clothing, etc., shits all over the super serious drama in the ST, that is even devoid of a coherent story.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Again, we can stop talking past each other, TLJ taking some story beats and jamming them in a single movie (story beats or certain element != full movie script != letting it breath over a trilogy). We are at the “well from 10,000 miles those two painting look the same, they have similar colors right?”.Yes, we do. That's what the official books are drawing from. These are official releases, not gossip rags.
JJ took Lucas' outlines and threw it away to remake ANH. Lucas' original Episode VII was basically TLJ but with different character names, and The Jedi Killer (who became Kylo Ren) was seduced to the Dark Side by Darth Talon from the SW Legacy comics because Lucas had some kind of fetish for her (he also forced her into the cancelled Darth Maul game). Rey/Kira came from a snow planet in his Ep 7 instead of Not-Tatooine and the sunken Death Star wreckage and Palpatine used in TROS was a Lucas idea; although Kira was ALWAYS a nobody in Lucas' version. His point of his ST was that the family name was stronger than the bloodline, coming from his 20 years of raising three adopted kids. Kira was to become a Jedi in Lucas' version and take the Skywalker name, but she was never meant to be the daughter of anyone and just have a high midichorlian count. That too, Lucas' ST wasn't going to have any X-Wings, TIE Fighters, or nostalgia bait and be all about the midichorlians everyone hated from TPM.
You keep saying TLJ was Lucas’s EPVII and conveniently side step aside you know on tiny fact that why and how Luke is there (and the relationship to this Jedi Killer Vs Kylo) was different and how he was not due to die until the next movie or the end of the saga (if at all, what has leaked has been contradicted and the people leaking and “revealing” things has a quite clear new trilogy protecting motive).
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