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1/4 Wrasslin' thread of Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, and the new Monday Night Wars (lol)

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StoOgE

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Lost Fragment said:
Agreed. Even if it did strike me as a smidge awkward.

Anything else major left on the "probably never gonna happen but it would be awesome" list? I think Hart back in WWE was the only big one left.
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Macho Man.

We know that one will never happen though.
 
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RBH

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DMczaf said:
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RBH

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TNA News: One Impact segment didn't go as scripted, ended up a mess, someone getting blamed
Jan 5, 2010 - 12:39:51 AM
By Wade Keller, PWTorch editor

Last night on TNA Impact, Jeff Jarrett returned to the Impact Zone to address the crowd. He gave a gracious, if not somewhat self-congratulatory, celebration interview for the progress of TNA and his role in it.

Hulk Hogan fired back that Jarrett was talking too much about himself and he didn't want to him reference "I, I, I" again. Hogan came across as having an attitude and perhaps raining on Jarrett's hard-earned parade. It wasn't supposed to come across that way.

Jarrett was supposed to come across as self-absorbed and even borderline delusional, but some of the ideas to get him there were edited out by various factions behind the scenes in recent days. Some insider references were removed and Jarrett himself may not have wanted some things that would have stung too much to be talked about, such as overpushing himself at the expense of others for years, which held the company back.

Because Jarrett came up short on some of the items he was supposed to say, he essentially didn't set the pin up properly for Hogan to knock down. So Hogan came across more heelish than intended.

There was recognition behind the scenes that the Hogan-Jarrett did not come across as the creative team originally envisioned and intended.

Keller's Analysis: It seems they're headed toward a heel faction of ousted former powerbrokers led by Jarrett and Mick Foley (and, perhaps, Vince Russo) feuding with the new bosses, Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, and perhaps Ric Flair or the Outsiders/NWO trio. It hasn't fleshed itself out fully yet, but that seems where it's headed, perhaps with an eventual PPV showdown for power in TNA between Jarrett & Foley and Hogan & a partner (Flair? Angle? Styles). I was confused at the end of the Hogan-Jarrett segment, and for a second assumed Hogan and Bischoff were turning heel. That was definitely not meant to be the impression the viewer was left with. The feeling behind the scenes was they had a pretty good batting average, but that segment was a strikeout, the result of too many chefs in the kitchen and too many rewrites and tweaks.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_37884.shtml
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DMczaf

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kIdMuScLe said:
what happen with macho man+wwe?
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No one knows the 100% truth, but the reason people believe is because of something that happened between Macho Man and a young Steph McMahon.
 
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RBH said:
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See wtf is going on? It is never a good idea when you think the guys that are supposed to be the faces are the heels. I had no clue Mick Foley and Jarrett were being painted as bad guys in any of those segments.
 
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Kusagari

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BoboBrazil said:
See wtf is going on? It is never a good idea when you think the guys that are supposed to be the faces are the heels. I had no clue Mick Foley and Jarrett were being painted as bad guys in any of those segments.
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I agree completely. We're supposed to believe Foley is a bad guy when he gets mugged from behind by the NWO after confronting Bischoff who acts like a movie villain?! The fuck?
 
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bathala

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I watched Raw first.

- Bret's return was awesome
- Maryse winning. Yes
- Jerishow v DX was great (lame ending)
- Vince and Bret segment was alright
- No Cena

TNA

- Commercials.
- I like the NWO segment (even though I've never watched WCW)
- Knockout tag team match was great
- Commercials.
- Desmond and Pope was good but short
- Commercials.
- "Towelman" segment :lol
- Kurt and AJ was great
- Bischoff as GM looks neat


Overall:

I'll be watching TNA again. No more Y2J on raw :(
 
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Brinbe

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RBH said:
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Argh, Foley/Jarrett will be the bad guys in this, really? You expect long-time TNA fans to buy that garbage? And really, the NWO redux are supposed to be the faces!? WTF are you doing TNA... :lol
 
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Rated-Rsuperstar

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Watching TNA
"flips to Raw"
Hornswoggle eating a cookie..
"flips back to TNA"
Later on..
"flips back to Raw"
Hornswoggle crotch chopping a lifeless Chris Jericho...
"flips back to TNA"

TNA was better tonight. Fuck that midget.
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Buckethead said:
He is.

At first I thought he was Elix Skipper because of the glasses and du-rag, what happened to that dude?
His hurricanrana off that cage is still one of the best moments in TNA. He should come back.
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He's been gone for years, and deservedly so.

The Pope is definitely awesome, and a guy WWE should have kept.
 
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BoboBrazil

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Let's just hope TNA popped a big enough rating that Spike keeps them live on Monday permanently. Nothing like some good head to head action on Monday nights:D If TNA goes back to Thursdays permanently the whole thing was pretty pointless.
 
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Lost Fragment said:
I will start watching Impact if they switch Hogan's theme to this.
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My HS Science teacher put that on during class and asked us what kind of music we thought it was based on how it sounded. Everyone said Hulk Hogan's theme and he said Porn. -____-
 
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Jay Sosa

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bill0527 said:
Kennedy was fired for sucking at his job and Edge blew out his knee last fall and was expected to be out at least a year.
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Edge will come back winning the Rumble(or at least make a surprise entrance), mark my words
 
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thefro

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BoboBrazil said:
Let's just hope TNA popped a big enough rating that Spike keeps them live on Monday permanently. Nothing like some good head to head action on Monday nights:D If TNA goes back to Thursdays permanently the whole thing was pretty pointless.
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We may see a real shocker when the numbers come in based on the internet trends, but we'll see.
 
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Striker

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That post-RAW footage is pretty awesome. Thanks.

I do agree about TNA needing to be competing on Monday Nights from 9-11 for this all to truly work out. If not, as another poster said, this basically ends up pointless. Hopefully TNA did well enough in the ratings department for Spike to gauge them to a Monday Night show full time. It will make Vince and RAW to buckle down hard.
 
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Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
how the hell is NwO and "hulkamania" able to be used by TNA? I'd think that stuff was owned by WWE. I also thought Hogan was on some 10 year contract with WWE? Might Vince secretly have a hand in this to try and fuel ratings?
 
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Charmicarmicat

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Timedog said:
how the hell is NwO and "hulkamania" able to be used by TNA? I'd think that stuff was owned by WWE. I also thought Hogan was on some 10 year contract with WWE? Might Vince secretly have a hand in this to try and fuel ratings?
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Did they actually say NwO though? I was flipping so might have missed it, but they may not have said it explicitly because Vince does own the rights.

As for the whole Hulkamania thing, Hogan actually owns the rights to it. WWF and Marvel got in a big lawsuit over the use of the name Hulk, and at some point Hogan swooped in and bought the rights himself :lol
 
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DieH@rd

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Oh man, TNA delivered big time. It was a clusterfuck at times, it has some weird moments, but man... Matches were fine, new storylines are great [lashley wants out [at least some younger star will destroy him for his sendoff], masked avenger, sting vs nwo/or hogan, foley vs hogan, Flair involvement], promos were awesome [even nasty boys were OK, but hopefully they will not last long].

It was definitely action packed, and exciting to watch live. Next week is gonna be crucial to TNA. One impact, and then 3 days later Genessis. They must deliver.




No mater what, this was a definitive step up for TNA. I expect ratings to be over 1.5, dont care how much.
 
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Doubledex

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DMczaf said:
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Horrible. Simply horrible. Shawn talking crap in front of his eyes (you deserved it, you disrespected the business BULLSHIT! And what did you, Shawn? Your cliq was so nice, right), Bret giving HIM the hand, SHAWN has to think about it (...lol), Vince to kick Bret in the balls....

Sell out, Bret. FU

Big thank you to TNA and the nWo/WCW memories.
Will watch it again.
 
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Charmicarmicat

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Doubledex said:
Horrible. Simply horrible. Shawn talking crap in front of his eyes (you deserved it, you disrespected the business BULLSHIT! And what did you, Shawn? Your cliq was so nice, right), Bret giving HIM the hand, SHAWN has to think about it (...lol), Vince to kick Bret in the balls....

Sell out, Bret. FU

Big thank you to TNA and the nWo/WCW memories.
Will watch it again.
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It's pro-wrestling, you need that bit of drama with the shit-talking so you don't know which way Shawn is going to go. I'm sure the apology was genuine but at the end of the day they both know that when they are in the ring it's business. Notice at the end when they hug Shawn says something to Bret in his ear, I reckon this was his 'real apology', just for Bret.

And you are thanking TNA for making the same stupid mistakes that killed WCW? Giving away match of the year candidates in free TV with no build up? Bringing in tired old men that nobody gives a shit about? A group taking over storyline that is good for a few months until the backstage clique actually take over?
 
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GaimeGuy

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Doubledex said:
Horrible. Simply horrible. Shawn talking crap in front of his eyes (you deserved it, you disrespected the business BULLSHIT! And what did you, Shawn? Your cliq was so nice, right), Bret giving HIM the hand, SHAWN has to think about it (...lol), Vince to kick Bret in the balls....

Sell out, Bret. FU

Big thank you to TNA and the nWo/WCW memories.
Will watch it again.
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Shawn was playing it up with the heelish stuff at the beginning, and Bret knew it. You can see Michaels talk to Bret while they hug, which was most likely his real apology.

And FYI, Vince and Bret made up long ago (basically, when Bret had his stroke, Vince was the first person in the industry to get in touch with him at the hospital to see how he was doing.)
 
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Fersis

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GaimeGuy said:
Shawn was playing it up with the heelish stuff at the beginning, and Bret knew it. You can see Michaels talk to Bret while they hug, which was most likely his real apology.

And FYI, Vince and Bret made up long ago (basically, when Bret had his stroke, Vince was the first person in the industry to get in touch with him at the hospital to see how he was doing.)
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ITS REAL TO HIM DAMMIT!

Damn, i missed RAW.
 
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IMHO Bret looked like a bag lady last night... His stage presence was just not there... he seemed unsure of himself....

And after watching the whole thing play out... I have come to the conclusion that the Whole Bret v Shawn v Vince thing 12 years ago was probably just planned..

I'm 100% sure that Shawn Bret and Vince have all put the past behind them long ago...

This was the first time in a LONG time i actually Watched an episode of wrestling... and I can say that it will probably be a LONG time till i watch one again.. It was a waste of my time..

Bret was the guest host.. and he was there for all of 10 minutes over the 2 hours :\

Wrestling just isn't what itsed to be.
 
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Mr. Sam

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methane47 said:
And after watching the whole thing play out... I have come to the conclusion that the Whole Bret v Shawn v Vince thing 12 years ago was probably just planned..
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Wait, what? Please describe your thought process to me.
 
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jmdajr said:
it was a great night to be wrestling fan
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Then wrestling has really fallen far. This night wasn't a fraction as good as the Raw vs Nitro days. Hell, I thought Russo and Bitchoff did a better job when they tried to reboot WCW years back. And that was a disaster.

That said, I'm gonna give TNA a chance, but both organizations suck horribly. PEACE.
 
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