Keyser Soze
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infinityBCRT said:
He means why is it not taking place in Canada..
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He means why is it not taking place in Canada..
infinityBCRT
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Oh. Probably because Vince sprung this up (signing Hart) at the last moment to counter Hogan+TNA.Keyser Soze said:
Net_Wrecker
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BoboBrazil said:
Yeah, it's all ridiculous. TNA has no focus. The only time they were shining tonight was, get this, DURING THE WRESTLING SEGMENTS. All the other crap reeks of WCW which I personally can't stand. It all looked so corny
BoboBrazil
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bathala said:
Yeah, but the security didn't let Hall and Xpac in either, but there they are in the audience a few minutes later.
BoboBrazil
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#1 worst thing on TNA of the night=Ric motherfucking wrestler of the century Flair debuts and they act like its no big deal, then he doesn't even cut a fucking promo or talk on the show. WHAT THE FUCK TNA?
Lost Fragment
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I gave TNA a shot tonight, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that I felt like I was watching WCW 2000. I'm not just saying that because it's an easy comparison to make, but because that's exactly how I felt, with the lack of pacing and shit that just didn't make sense.
I don't feel compelled to watch Impact after this, so I'm not gonna go out of my way to. Preliminary reactions from the internet seem to have the same opinion. Sucks, but I think TNA blew it tonight.
I don't feel compelled to watch Impact after this, so I'm not gonna go out of my way to. Preliminary reactions from the internet seem to have the same opinion. Sucks, but I think TNA blew it tonight.
infinityBCRT
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As an older wrestling fan (I remember watching Macho Man go through the tournament at Wrestlemania 4 to win the title, Bobby Heenan being choked by a belt and wearing a neck brace, etc; I followed wrestling heavily during the first Hogan run and the Attitude era, and then on and off during the WWE era until the Benoit death) I can say I was far more entertained by the talking spots that both shows had tonight more than the wrestling. TNA's main event was pretty good because those guys are both great technical wrestlers, but the rest of the wrestling matches were pretty garbage and filled with guys who were overselling bumps.Net_Wrecker said:
jecclr2003
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BoboBrazil said:
Give it time....
They have a PPV next week (which has now been turned on it's ear) with no main event, lots of new talent to fold in and a new focus.
They also tape tomorrow afternoon. So things could get even more interesting.
Obsolete Observation
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i liked what I saw from TNA tonight. Mostly I was just glad to have two options on Monday again. Before when a crappy part of the show popped up on Raw I was either stuck watching it or fast forwarding through. fast forwarding through got me past the crappy parts but generally left me wanting more wrestling.
I'm good with the amount of wrestling I got to watch tonight.
I'm good with the amount of wrestling I got to watch tonight.
Net_Wrecker
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infinityBCRT said:
Angle/Styles, DX/Jerishow, the TNA Knockouts tag match, Orton/Kofi, and Wolfe/Pope were the highlights for me right after the Bret/HBK/Vince segments. I can't defend TNA's backstage crap, and the NWO promo in the ring went on for too long. There was no need for the MORTORCADE crap, the Nasty Boys crap, the Mick Foley crap, the Jarett crap, the Strip Poker with Val noname crap, etc. etc. They need focus, badly.
BoboBrazil
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jecclr2003 said:
Yeah, but you don't debut a legend like Ric Flair like that. Then the announcers make no mention of it again for like an hour after he debuts, but they make sure to let us know they are #1 on twitter. Another thing I didn't like is they debuted all these guys except for Jeff Hardy in backstage segments. They also made a joke of Christopher Daniels interview time with Borash interrupting his interview to tell Christy that Foley broke into the building. Also, who did Desmond Wolfe piss off to get depushed?
B-Rad Lascelle
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I'm no TNA fan by a long shot but I view Elijah Burke as "the one quality guy that got away" by not getting a fair shake in the WWE. Kid's got loads of talent.
Glad to see he's getting an opportunity with the Pope gimmick.
Glad to see he's getting an opportunity with the Pope gimmick.
infinityBCRT
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I honestly thought the HBK/Bret thing was BS because HBK didn't apologize for anything. Maybe he thought Bret was a jackass for not wanting to give up the title on a PPV but at least Bret was an honest jackass. I don't know what in the world Bret was thinking when he shook his hand. Especially after Shawn rubbed it in by saying "you deserved everything you got".GDGF said:
Also one thing I noticed is that it seemed Vince was shitting his pants when he was talking to Bret because everytime he tried to say "W-W-E" he was saying "W-E".
Ninja Scooter
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In case having Hogan and Bret Hart headlining Monday Night didn't make you feel like you were back in 1995 again, the Hitman is wearing jorts.
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I like the new TNA fans but they bitch about shit that's been going on for years. Somebody asked why did come up from the floor..smh. Sting is suppose to be "retired" by AJ Styles a couple of months ago. Heard he resigned for another year so he might just stay in the rafters.
TNA was shit tonight. All these "new" guys didn't do shit but get on the camera. We're going to see any of them "wrestle" maybe for months. So if you like hyped up promos and old faces that never wrestle, TNA is your place. I was kind of sad that Hogan pulled Jarrett's bitch card. Jarrett is TNA to me so Hogan's verbal bitch slap was weird.
BTW isn't leaving a car to get into another car on the street illegal and who was in that limo??!
TNA was shit tonight. All these "new" guys didn't do shit but get on the camera. We're going to see any of them "wrestle" maybe for months. So if you like hyped up promos and old faces that never wrestle, TNA is your place. I was kind of sad that Hogan pulled Jarrett's bitch card. Jarrett is TNA to me so Hogan's verbal bitch slap was weird.
BTW isn't leaving a car to get into another car on the street illegal and who was in that limo??!
B-Rad Lascelle said:
Oh snap I remember that guy now. He's pretty damn talented. Here's an old match with him against Batista (sans Pope persona)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CasxiDp4dpM
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Lunchbox said:
No it was Bret Hart.
I prefered TNA tonight. They delivered in the ring tonight, on the lower and. Upper card. Raw had a great match with Kofi/Orton and a great promo by the Miz, bit it really stalled after that. Raw just doesn't have the depth to deliver a great wrestling focus show.
I could understand the complaints around TNA. The technical hiccups are amateur and many of the matches were to short. The random backstage beatdowns were stupid and there was a little to much promo/skit stuff, but overall I think they had a better show.
That said, I don't think this was the show that would gain fans. You could either hook them by showing great wrestling or displaying the older stars. Can't do both. There just isn't the time. They tried and as a result they had a ton of short, argubably debuts and only one great match.
I could understand the complaints around TNA. The technical hiccups are amateur and many of the matches were to short. The random backstage beatdowns were stupid and there was a little to much promo/skit stuff, but overall I think they had a better show.
That said, I don't think this was the show that would gain fans. You could either hook them by showing great wrestling or displaying the older stars. Can't do both. There just isn't the time. They tried and as a result they had a ton of short, argubably debuts and only one great match.
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I loved when Jericho said something to the extent of the true Bret Hart doesn't forgive Michaels. McMahon either. I have a feeling it's true as in neither truly apologized for the screwjob. McMahon did alot of asskissing in the last segment though and nominated his father into the hall of fame and all. In the end, it all made Bret look really good.
-For starters, it was really fantastic to be able to switch between wrestling show for the first time in nearly nine years. That excitement has been missing from wrestling, and I'd like to see it return on a permanent basis.
-I just loved Bret's return. Some people may not like how Bret and HBK buried the hatchet so quickly, but it was just so well done that it didn't bother me. And I was pleasantly surprised by Bret's mic work. After watching his DVD the past few days, I was expecting his voice to be a bit weak, but on Raw he sounded almost like he did 12 years ago. It makes me very excited to see where this Bret/Vince storyline goes.
-Aside from the Bret stuff, I enjoyed JeriShow/DX alot. Jericho's mocking of Hogan was priceless. But other than that, Raw was just average for me. I didn't get to see Kofi/Orton because I was watching Styles/Angle, so I'll watch the match tomorrow.
-Now, for TNA iMPACT.............good lord, I don't know where to begin. Any chance they had at winning some new viewers tonight may have been killed by that HORRIFIC first hour. Putting that Steel Asylum match as the very first match of the night was a fucking terrible idea and only served to confuse the fuck out of any potential first-time viewers. To make matters worse, they then had a fucking DQ finish in the match and Homicide gets stuck on top of the cage for seemingly ages (and I still don't know what the fuck he was trying to do). Hardy's debut was surprising, but man, they could've handled it alot better. Hopefully, Hardy will do alot better this time around in TNA as compared to his first TNA run. Flair's debut was also not handled great, Lashley's segment was just bizarre, and I have little interest in this Hogan vs. Foley storyline. But on the other hand, the KO tag-match was great, Abyss/Joe was surprisingly decent, and Styles/Angle was a good main event. That first hour was just terrible though and may have hurt their 2nd and 3rd hour rating numbers a bit.
Overall, it was really fun to re-live the past in a way tonight, but TNA needs to do better than this if they want to be seen as a legitimate #2 option, and I hope the WWE doesn't fuck up the Bret/Vince storyline in the upcoming months. Fun night all around though.
-I just loved Bret's return. Some people may not like how Bret and HBK buried the hatchet so quickly, but it was just so well done that it didn't bother me. And I was pleasantly surprised by Bret's mic work. After watching his DVD the past few days, I was expecting his voice to be a bit weak, but on Raw he sounded almost like he did 12 years ago. It makes me very excited to see where this Bret/Vince storyline goes.
-Aside from the Bret stuff, I enjoyed JeriShow/DX alot. Jericho's mocking of Hogan was priceless. But other than that, Raw was just average for me. I didn't get to see Kofi/Orton because I was watching Styles/Angle, so I'll watch the match tomorrow.
-Now, for TNA iMPACT.............good lord, I don't know where to begin. Any chance they had at winning some new viewers tonight may have been killed by that HORRIFIC first hour. Putting that Steel Asylum match as the very first match of the night was a fucking terrible idea and only served to confuse the fuck out of any potential first-time viewers. To make matters worse, they then had a fucking DQ finish in the match and Homicide gets stuck on top of the cage for seemingly ages (and I still don't know what the fuck he was trying to do). Hardy's debut was surprising, but man, they could've handled it alot better. Hopefully, Hardy will do alot better this time around in TNA as compared to his first TNA run. Flair's debut was also not handled great, Lashley's segment was just bizarre, and I have little interest in this Hogan vs. Foley storyline. But on the other hand, the KO tag-match was great, Abyss/Joe was surprisingly decent, and Styles/Angle was a good main event. That first hour was just terrible though and may have hurt their 2nd and 3rd hour rating numbers a bit.
Overall, it was really fun to re-live the past in a way tonight, but TNA needs to do better than this if they want to be seen as a legitimate #2 option, and I hope the WWE doesn't fuck up the Bret/Vince storyline in the upcoming months. Fun night all around though.
infinityBCRT
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I think the McMahon thing was more of a work than with HBK. McMahon made up with Bret years back when they did the DVD and McMahon has said in interviews that he had to do it for business reasons and he'd do it again (because he legitimately was about to go out of business if something didn't happen). Thats really different from what HBK said tonight (and in shoot interviews in the past) where he does not apologize and says Bret Hart deserved to be screwed.Fourth Storm said:
Oh, and it's really great seeing so many ex-wrestling fans posting in this thread and bringing some life back to the Wrasslin thread. This was the most fun I've had watching wrestling in awhile, so I'm hoping that these Raw vs. iMPACT match-ups occur more frequently in the future.
Net_Wrecker
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infinityBCRT said:
It wasn't REALLY an apology from HBK because they were both in the wrong. Bret refused to do what the boss wanted him to do, and HBK blatantly lied about his involvement. I say they canceled each other out, and managed to bury the hatchet without really apologizing. The whole thing was about moving on, not saying sorry.
BoboBrazil
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I still think that Impact was the better show than Raw, but I am pissed off on how they debuted Ric Flair more than anything else. It looks like he will be a mentor/manager for AJ Styles, but I don't know because they didn't let the man talk. Also I still have no clue if Hogan is a good guy or a bad guy. I have a feeling he didn't know this was going to happen in the back and he is going to be torn in the middle. He wants to help the young guys, but Bischoff wants to take over with Nash, Hall, Xpac, etc. That seems like how they'll play it.
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
I agree. He should main event by the end of the year.
This thread has more replies than last month's wrestling thread.
Anyways, after rewatching some TNA stuff online, I'd still say Raw was the show of the night.
The HBK/Hart promo was pulled off how it should have been. I know this may sound silly and like I'm overrating it, but it was pretty much a legendary promo just on the background alone. This is a promo people will be talking about and watching online years from now. I expected Bret Hart to sound really groggy and lifeless, but he was very vibrant on the mic. And the Vince/Hart promo was another amazing one, THAT is how you end a show and hype up Wrestlemania. The Attitude Era always left you wanting more, but in a good way. For the past several years, I felt that the WWE lost this element, but they brought it back here. The matches were also better than a lot of people are saying. Kofi/Orton was exciting, these two work together well and it's helping Kofi become a main eventer. Jerishow/DX was also great, plus Hornswaggle got kicked in the head. Sheamus/Bourne was a squash match, but Bourne got enough offense in to make him look good. The fatal fourway was formulaic, but still pretty good. The divas match wasn't so hot, especially compared to TNA's much stronger Knockout division, but the ending was great and it's going to revamp the Miz/Maryse storyline. There were less dumb, time-wasting moments in the show, it really seemed more focused and interesting. Why can't it be like this every week? WWE has the talent to pull it off.
TNA was, in short, a clusterfuck. For many people, this was the first time they watched Impact, and I can imagine people were more than confused. Yes, we got a great main event, but the other matches were far too short. TNA has the entire roster at their disposal while the WWE only has about 40% of theirs on Raw, why isn't TNA using this to their advantage? I fear that they are getting far too big for a two hour show. Think of all the people they debuted tonight: Val Venis, Nasty Boys, Hogan, Flair, Orlando Jordan, Jeff Hardy, Shannon Moore, Scott Hall, Waltman, Bischoff, and probably some other people I'm forgetting. How are they going to balance this? The promos ranged from inane to ridiculous (LIMO). And those commercial breaks, dear god. I hope someone has the patience enough to figure out how much time was spent on those.
But tonight was a lot of fun. WWE stepped up their game, and for the first time in almost ten years, I could flip between wrestling shows.
Anyways, after rewatching some TNA stuff online, I'd still say Raw was the show of the night.
The HBK/Hart promo was pulled off how it should have been. I know this may sound silly and like I'm overrating it, but it was pretty much a legendary promo just on the background alone. This is a promo people will be talking about and watching online years from now. I expected Bret Hart to sound really groggy and lifeless, but he was very vibrant on the mic. And the Vince/Hart promo was another amazing one, THAT is how you end a show and hype up Wrestlemania. The Attitude Era always left you wanting more, but in a good way. For the past several years, I felt that the WWE lost this element, but they brought it back here. The matches were also better than a lot of people are saying. Kofi/Orton was exciting, these two work together well and it's helping Kofi become a main eventer. Jerishow/DX was also great, plus Hornswaggle got kicked in the head. Sheamus/Bourne was a squash match, but Bourne got enough offense in to make him look good. The fatal fourway was formulaic, but still pretty good. The divas match wasn't so hot, especially compared to TNA's much stronger Knockout division, but the ending was great and it's going to revamp the Miz/Maryse storyline. There were less dumb, time-wasting moments in the show, it really seemed more focused and interesting. Why can't it be like this every week? WWE has the talent to pull it off.
TNA was, in short, a clusterfuck. For many people, this was the first time they watched Impact, and I can imagine people were more than confused. Yes, we got a great main event, but the other matches were far too short. TNA has the entire roster at their disposal while the WWE only has about 40% of theirs on Raw, why isn't TNA using this to their advantage? I fear that they are getting far too big for a two hour show. Think of all the people they debuted tonight: Val Venis, Nasty Boys, Hogan, Flair, Orlando Jordan, Jeff Hardy, Shannon Moore, Scott Hall, Waltman, Bischoff, and probably some other people I'm forgetting. How are they going to balance this? The promos ranged from inane to ridiculous (LIMO). And those commercial breaks, dear god. I hope someone has the patience enough to figure out how much time was spent on those.
But tonight was a lot of fun. WWE stepped up their game, and for the first time in almost ten years, I could flip between wrestling shows.
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I entirely agree that hearing Hart on the mic was like going back in time. He sounds exactly the same, he didn't lose it one bit. Except for the forced "WWE UNIVERSE" line. Jesus, "WWE UNIVERSE". How many years will we have to endure this?
Can't wait 'till next time they come to Canada. His return will finally explode on television. At least the crowd was dead silent and attentive (or clueless) during his segments. Jerks could've ruined it with their "WHAT".
Can't wait 'till next time they come to Canada. His return will finally explode on television. At least the crowd was dead silent and attentive (or clueless) during his segments. Jerks could've ruined it with their "WHAT".
Just got done watching both shows from the DVR because I had to work til 8pm. TNA had some markout moments for me, Hey Yo! Even though he gained weight and got fat if he can just get his ass back in the gym I'm sure he'll be able to put on decent matches again. The guy always was good in the ring pre fat days.
Good to see Bischoff back on camera, say what you want about Easy E, but he is good on the mic and in front of a camera.
Pope is good, I've seen him before in TNA so I was familiar with him, and he's definitely a star in making.
Desmond Wolf is a good heal, and I like his wrestling style.
AJ Styles is a great wrestler, but if that's what he has for mic skills its gonna be tough to have him as the champion going up against WWE.
Val Venis, just hilarious to see him back with the same gimmick.
There were plenty of other good surprises like Jeff Hardy, Flair, etc. etc. so it will be interesting to see what happens next.
Hopefully TNA can land 2 hours every Monday night, what does Spike usually show on Monday nights anyway? The wrestling business needs this revival to get more people interested again.
Good to see Bischoff back on camera, say what you want about Easy E, but he is good on the mic and in front of a camera.
Pope is good, I've seen him before in TNA so I was familiar with him, and he's definitely a star in making.
Desmond Wolf is a good heal, and I like his wrestling style.
AJ Styles is a great wrestler, but if that's what he has for mic skills its gonna be tough to have him as the champion going up against WWE.
Val Venis, just hilarious to see him back with the same gimmick.
There were plenty of other good surprises like Jeff Hardy, Flair, etc. etc. so it will be interesting to see what happens next.
Hopefully TNA can land 2 hours every Monday night, what does Spike usually show on Monday nights anyway? The wrestling business needs this revival to get more people interested again.
Vestal
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I don't know about anyone else.. But the basic fact that we got to see Hart and HBK in the same WWE ring face to face was a breathtaking moment, after all that transpired the past 12 years.
Its actually quiet hilarious that they pretty much completed each other in the ring.. If you look back, their best matches are for the most part with each other. How in the world they were able to get through matches like the ones they had, with all the problems they had between each other is beyond me. In the 80,90s, and now you know u were in for something special if either HBK or Hart were in the match.
To me as a wrestling fan that started back with WM4, I will say that what happend in that first segment of raw, trully was one of the best Wrestling moments of the past 20 years.
Its actually quiet hilarious that they pretty much completed each other in the ring.. If you look back, their best matches are for the most part with each other. How in the world they were able to get through matches like the ones they had, with all the problems they had between each other is beyond me. In the 80,90s, and now you know u were in for something special if either HBK or Hart were in the match.
To me as a wrestling fan that started back with WM4, I will say that what happend in that first segment of raw, trully was one of the best Wrestling moments of the past 20 years.
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Vestal said:
Agreed. Even if it did strike me as a smidge awkward.
Anything else major left on the "probably never gonna happen but it would be awesome" list? I think Hart back in WWE was the only big one left.
Here's a blast from the past. Hitman vs HBK circa 1990.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvc19-AKjs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvc19-AKjs&feature=related
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GDGF said:
Tony Schiavone did play-by-play for WWE? Wat.
Hellraizah
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For me, the highlights of the night were Hall calling Mick Foley "fat boy" and Hogan saying that the future is in the new breed while doing a whole show around a bunch of has been.
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