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[Jeff Albertson]

The main event summed up TNA last night for me:

Great match BUT

-guys pretty much no selling finishers
-announcers no selling finishers
-long advert break we come back then have on suplex then go straight back to commercials WTF

If Impact is going back to being taped it has no chance although I think last nights ratings will be close

 

[El Pescado]

Raw was awesome. I can't believe so many people are giving the night to TNA. I tried to get in to the 1st hour so bad, but it just wasn't happening. They totally botched it for me.

Bret and Shawn was the most surreal moment in wrestling in a long, long time. I never thought I'd see that happen in a WWE ring that's for sure. I can't wait to watch next week. Hell, I'm hoping Bret shows up on Smackdown this week to hang with the Hart Dynasty.

The Miz's new theme song is "Aaaaaaaaaaaawwwwweeesooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmme..." :lol

 

[The Frankman]

Got to give the night to RAW, too many things looked weird in developing on TNA. Plus Jericho and Kofi/Orton were real solid, however TNA at least made me change the channel... I'll at least say they have the potential to compete.

 

[eggybob]

The Miz is probably the only midcarder on Raw who seems to do anything at the minute.

 

[NYR]

WE hall of fame

THIS.

WTF Vince, you can't even pronounce the name of your own company???

 

[Uhtred]

You guys, Raw was the same crap but with Brett........all you needed to watch was the first 10 min, and the last 10 min.

TNA had me on the edge of my seat the whole night. I felt like I was a kid again, but I am not; and TNA treated me like that.

TNA already won you know why, I want to see what happens next. I already know what happens next on Raw------the same as the last 7 years.

 

[Y2Kev]

THIS.

WTF Vince, you can't even pronounce the name of your own company???

He was nervous as fuck.

 

[SoulPlaya]

I have to give the night to TNA simply because I'm so sick and tired of the WWE. At least TNA seemed a bit unpredictable last night, while you could see what was going to happen on RAW from a mile away (yes, including the Hart stuff).

 

[unomas]

I definitely marked out for Bret last night, just good to see him back even if he's 50+ and not int he kind of shape he once was. I did want to see him put the sharpshooter on either Shawn or Vince though. The kick to the balls was great, it will lead to the overall buildup of the feud. I hope TNA picks up a good rating and can go live each Monday, even if they only go head to head for 1 hour and can be the lead in for Raw at first that would be great. It might get some people to give them a chance.

 

[Uhtred]

I gave TNA a shot tonight, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that I felt like I was watching WCW 2000. I'm not just saying that because it's an easy comparison to make, but because that's exactly how I felt, with the lack of pacing and shit that just didn't make sense.

I don't feel compelled to watch Impact after this, so I'm not gonna go out of my way to. Preliminary reactions from the internet seem to have the same opinion. Sucks, but I think TNA blew it tonight.

^^^^I don't know where you read your preliminary reports from, but I think you are wrong. 100% in fact.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I agree that I was more entertained by TNA even though I didn't agree with a lot of what happened. I had no clue what was going to happen next, where as WWE is boring and predictable and it is always the same thing on every show.

 

[Plywood]

Did something happen to Cena, or was he just not booked for an important Raw?

Fiesta Bowl

 

[krae_man]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

MVP has a suit on. Kofi doesn't it

MVP to steal Kofi's push comfirmed.



Side note, any other non USA posters click on that link and be asked if they want to go to WWE's Japanese site?

 

[Azuran]

The Miz is probably the only midcarder on Raw who seems to do anything at the minute.

You forgot about Sheamus.

 

[krae_man]

THIS.

WTF Vince, you can't even pronounce the name of your own company???

The "W" he didn't say was the "Wrestling" "W".

Remember you're not allowed to say wrestler, Fan, title, strap, etc.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Hogan trying to portray himself as a face compared to Jarrett and Foley at this point is absurd. His reputation is too tarnished. As a former fan, I just can't cheer for the man at this point. His face buddies are supposed to be prick Eric Bischoff, drunk Scott Hall, and pornstar X Pac??? And if he is going to try, at least wear the yellow and red....

I'm optimistic, but I don't think Hogan is the genius he is portraying himself as. His personal squabbles and massive ego always got in the way of that.

 

[Uhtred]

Hogan trying to portray himself as a face compared to Jarrett and Foley at this point is absurd. His reputation is too tarnished. As a former fan, I just can't cheer for the man at this point. His face buddies are supposed to be prick Eric Bischoff, drunk Scott Hall, and pornstar X Pac??? And if he is going to try, at least wear the yellow and red....

I'm optimistic, but I don't think Hogan is the genius he is portraying himself as. His personal squabbles and massive ego always got in the way of that.

Thats good for you, you don't have to follow TNA. The beauty of this is if it can succeed, you will have a choice. You can go stick with the WWE. Its your choice. We all win.

 

[Sanjuro]

Hogan trying to portray himself as a face compared to Jarrett and Foley at this point is absurd. His reputation is too tarnished. As a former fan, I just can't cheer for the man at this point. His face buddies are supposed to be prick Eric Bischoff, drunk Scott Hall, and pornstar X Pac??? And if he is going to try, at least wear the yellow and red....

I'm optimistic, but I don't think Hogan is the genius he is portraying himself as. His personal squabbles and massive ego always got in the way of that.

It doesn't sound like you tuned in at all because that's not what happened.

Then you just sound silly doing the blah blah blah Hogan ego. At least Hogan earned his ego status. Something I think about every time I see a microphone in HHH's hand.

 

[wRATH2x]

I would love a youtube link of Sting and the nWo if you guys got em, can't seem to find them anywhere.

 

[eggybob]

You forgot about Sheamus.

The main thing that annoys me about Sheamus is the way he speaks. Not his accent but everytime he says wwe champion.

I'm Sheamus, the WWE CHAMPION!!!
Look here at my WWE CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Just randomly gets louder when he says it.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Whoa, did I say anything about approving of Triple H or WWE's current product? I want TNA to succeed. You don't need to get all defensive. Everyone is acting like Hogan is some sort of savior, and how dare you speak bad of him. Yeah, it's awesome seeing him involved in wrestling. But did he go about doing everything the right way last night? Of course not, but that's expected. I hope he sticks to his word of pushing the younger guys and his buddies like The Nasty Boys turn into glorified jobbers.

The Jarrett/Hogan segment was apparently disastrous in terms of conveying the intended story, but it raises a valid point. Hogan sashays in, takes control of the company, and insults the guy who started the damn thing? This is heel behavior, and I don't even care that much for Jarrett as a worker.

 

[Sanjuro]

Whoa, did I say anything about approving of Triple H or WWE's current product? I want TNA to succeed. You don't need to get all defensive. Everyone is acting like Hogan is some sort of savior, and how dare you speak bad of him. Yeah, it's awesome seeing him involved in wrestling. But did he go about doing everything the right way last night? Of course not, but that's expected. I hope he sticks to his word of pushing the younger guys and his buddies like The Nasty Boys turn into glorified jobbers.

The Jarrett/Hogan segment was apparently disastrous in terms of conveying the intended story, but it raises a valid point. Hogan sashays in, takes control of the company, and insults the guy who started the damn thing? This is heel behavior, and I don't even care that much for Jarrett as a worker.

I'm not defensive. You just don't seem to know what you are talking about. When did I say you mentioned HHH? You're having troll fever.

I didn't know Jarret had control of the company until last night. He sure sucked at running it though.

 

[thefro]

If Bing searches are anything to go on, TNA should pop a good rating.

 

[Sanjuro]

If Bing searches are anything to go on, TNA should pop a good rating.

I like how desperate is before TNA.

 

[Fourth Storm]

I'm not defensive. You just don't seem to know what you are talking about. When did I say you mentioned HHH? You're having troll fever.

I didn't know Jarret had control of the company until last night. He sure sucked at running it though.

Let's bring it down a notch. I tuned in plenty last night. I've been to a ppv even. I just responded to both posts at once and was too lazy to quote since it seems as if I was bashed just for criticizing certain aspects of the product - namely the new addition, Hogan. I think he has a solid mind for the business, but as for building storylines? Sorry, I just don't have much faith in their current team. It's a shame neither company can find consistently decent writers.

 

[Sanjuro]

Let's bring it down a notch. I tuned in plenty last night. I've been to a ppv even. I just responded to both posts at once and was too lazy to quote since it seems as if I was bashed just for criticizing certain aspects of the product - namely the new addition, Hogan. I think he has a solid mind for the business, but as for building storylines? Sorry, I just don't have much faith in their current team. It's a shame neither company can find consistently decent writers.

Yes. Because he has a vast history with storylines?

 

[Penguin]

Just some minor thoughts or whatever.

-Eric Bischoff/Russo have this habit of like trying to be too behind the scenes. Like when Eric Bischoff told the guy the segment was running too long to rewrite it. I get that as a fan, these things are pre-planned, but in what regards does it add to the show? And if I wasn't mistaken the only thing that happened afterwards was the title match and the beatdown of Foley.

-I really hope between the announcements and surprises, that TNA doesn't lose track of their own talent, and realize they are currently only working with 2 hours of television as it is, and that was already crowded.

-They are just two weeks out from a PPV, which as far as I know only has one match announced, and their next show isn't until 3 days before the PPV. I mean at least WWE is usually nice enough to announce the main event and then throw the rest of the card together.

-The WWE is really missing the boat with having 6 weeks to build the Royal Rumble... seeing how we have no main event nor any participants in the match.

-I'm really curious how they will maintain Bret/Vince for 3 months since Bret can hardly wrestle, and you can't have him one up Vince already.

~Edit~
Also thinking about it, Bret was a terrible guest host. As far as I can remember, he did nothing relating to the actual show. The only thing I could think of was not making himself the ref in the Jerishow/DX match. :lol

 

[Arhal_Katarn]

I thought that RVD signed with TNA, but i haven't heard about him showing up. Bret had me in nostalgic tears last night, his and Shawns embrace was one of the best moments in WWE in years.
I guess him and Vince are going to fight at WM i just hope Bret has one match left in him.

 

[eggybob]

-The WWE is really missing the boat with having 6 weeks to build the Royal Rumble... seeing how we have no main event nor any participants in the match.

Isn't the rumble match main event (minus the rumble) Sheamus vs Cena?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Bret Hart can't even take any bumps in the shape he's in. That's why Vince had to give him the crotch shot. The only thing he can do is be a special ref and maybe put the sharpshooter on someone.

 

[Penguin]

Isn't the rumble match main event (minus the rumble) Sheamus vs Cena?

I mean all signs point to that being the case.
The same way it looks like Smackdown will either have Taker/Batista or Taker/Batista/Rey, but none of the matches are actually announced.

 

[krae_man]

Isn't the rumble match main event (minus the rumble) Sheamus vs Cena?

No Rumble matches have been booked yet. That is a likely bet unless They want Cena in the Rumble(and possibly win it).

They might save Cena's next title match for Elimination Chamber.

 

[Yousefb]

Just some minor thoughts or whatever.

-Eric Bischoff/Russo have this habit of like trying to be too behind the scenes. Like when Eric Bischoff told the guy the segment was running too long to rewrite it. I get that as a fan, these things are pre-planned, but in what regards does it add to the show? And if I wasn't mistaken the only thing that happened afterwards was the title match and the beatdown of Foley.

-I really hope between the announcements and surprises, that TNA doesn't lose track of their own talent, and realize they are currently only working with 2 hours of television as it is, and that was already crowded.

-They are just two weeks out from a PPV, which as far as I know only has one match announced, and their next show isn't until 3 days before the PPV. I mean at least WWE is usually nice enough to announce the main event and then throw the rest of the card together.

-The WWE is really missing the boat with having 6 weeks to build the Royal Rumble... seeing how we have no main event nor any participants in the match.

-I'm really curious how they will maintain Bret/Vince for 3 months since Bret can hardly wrestle, and you can't have him one up Vince already.

~Edit~
Also thinking about it, Bret was a terrible guest host. As far as I can remember, he did nothing relating to the actual show. The only thing I could think of was not making himself the ref in the Jerishow/DX match. :lol

lol yeah no kidding, for a guest host he didn't do a lot of hosting

 

[RBH]

Spoilers for tonight's TNA iMPACT tapings:

Spoiler

-There was talk of an angle for tonight's taping that would see the company's signature six-sided ring destroyed and replaced going forward with a traditional four-sided ring.

-Scott Steiner was backstage at Impact last night, but wasn't used. He'll be on tonight's show.

-Angelina Love is in Orlando and will make her return to TNA tonight.

-The main event of the TNA Genesis PPV is scheduled to be AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle for the TNA championship, which will be explained at tonight's taping.

-TNA Tag Team champs The British Invasion vs. Hernandez and Matt Morgan is set for the TNA Genesis PPV.

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/44...poilers-for-tonights-taping-and-more.html?p=1

 

[Doubledex]

It's pro-wrestling, you need that bit of drama with the shit-talking so you don't know which way Shawn is going to go. I'm sure the apology was genuine but at the end of the day they both know that when they are in the ring it's business. Notice at the end when they hug Shawn says something to Bret in his ear, I reckon this was his 'real apology', just for Bret.

And you are thanking TNA for making the same stupid mistakes that killed WCW? Giving away match of the year candidates in free TV with no build up? Bringing in tired old men that nobody gives a shit about? A group taking over storyline that is good for a few months until the backstage clique actually take over?

Dude, I SAW all of that.... fact is, after the Montreal Screwjob, last night was horrible for all the Hart "fans". Period!

And TNA doing the same bad things they did when WCC died? WTF are you even talking about? They are doing all the right things at the moment. But just like someone said a few posts ago. It's just another "blablabla Hogan ego blablabla old wrestler again blablabla". Have you watched Impact? Have you listen to the "behind the scenes" stuff, DAYS AGO?

Well, do what you want. TNA is the way to go for me. Oldschool-wrestling-age is back

 

[orioto]

Late for the discussion but here my two cents about the impact.

It wasn't horrendous to watch, and some matches were great, but everything thats comes from Hogan and friends right now is worrying.

The main problem for me is that, basically.. the show looked like you had a big storyline with guys on one side, and muted and random noname wrestlers on the other. Don't get me wrong, i watch TNA for some years now and i know them, but i recall when i began to watch it. I was like "who are those, do they even have names ? They all have the same face. That's silly, but that's how you see the thing when you're used to familiar wrestlers at the wwe, and you suddenly discover a new show.

_Hogan talked about making tna wrestlers stars with personality. Ok, then what does he do ? He begin the show with a random spotfest, that doesn't even delivers and zero promos, putting 50% of the roster there who looks like npc in a beat them all...

_Hogan says he want to avoid the TNA to look cheap or to indy. What does he do ? He begin the show with 15 hadcore junkies who screams "TNA whhhhhrbllegruahahhh wwe suck you i want blood brrrooooaaaahh"...

My problem here is that, if they want to "expand" their audience, without making dumb things like wwe, dwarf etc... They at least should have some distance on that... Honestly, i think if some "mainstream" viewers from wwe tried TNA last night, they stopped before the first 20 minutes...

And all the show was the same. You have a bif storyline with Hulk friends, then wrestling.. For it to work, you need to connect, in a way or an other, the big storylines and the wrestling.

_Ho and i forgot, a minor proof of what i'm basically saying. They have Jeff Hardy or christ sake, Jeff Hardy, who is probably the biggest star the wwe build in the past 5 years, a fucking rock star ! And what ??? he looked like a joke character the whole show. Jeff Hardy arriving in the impact zone should have been the biggest thing in the month, but hey, there was Hogan, Hall and 1-2-3 kid with benny button face in the show, so they couldn't really make Jeff that important.. And that's the whole problem there...

 

[baultista]

The "W" he didn't say was the "Wrestling" "W".

Remember you're not allowed to say wrestler, Fan, title, strap, etc.

As a RTTP wrestling fan, I need you to explain this to me.


I was kinda curious as to why they kept saying "WWE Universe" instead of "fans".

 

[krae_man]

As a RTTP wrestling fan, I need you to explain this to me.


I was kinda curious as to why they kept saying "WWE Universe" instead of "fans".

Just Vince being dumb.

"Wrestling" is a 4 letter word they are "entertainers".

Basically Vince wants to turn the WWE into Hollywood.

 

[mightynine]

I guess the biggest question that I've yet to see answered is: who was TNA trying to pull in with this show?

Those casuals who watched during the Monday Night Wars have grown up and moved on.

Fans who are still watching since the days of the Monday Night Wars have seen this act before (WCW) and look where that ended up. Are they going to waste their time again?

If you're thinking it's new viewers, why act like like we know who the hell half of these wrestlers are? Who the hell is Hamada? Desmond Wolfe? Even A.J. Styles?

If I'm someone who is looking for something different than WWE, why is the focus on so many former WWE employees?

And even better, why is half the crap going on happening? Why is Orlando Jordon barging in on the Pope? Why did Ric Flair come out during the main event, only to leave looking like he forgot his car keys backstage? Why did Beer Money (who?) get knocked out?

And another thing, go get Tony Skee-a-vone or Scott Hudson immediately, let Taz become a manager, put Tenay on color. All that announce crew could say last night was "This is the biggest night for TNA ever", "I have no idea why XXX did YYY", and "SHOP TNA DOT COM".

 

[GoldandBlue]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

Bunch of wrestlers meeting up with Hart in the ring after RAW.

 

[Yousefb]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

Bunch of wrestlers meeting up with Hart in the ring after RAW.

can someone youtube this please, video isn't loading for me

 

[firehawk12]

for a second here I was expecting a sweet chin music

Not knowing whether DX were heels or faces, I was totally expecting Shaun to kick Bret right there and for them to go wild with a "Screwjob 2.0" or something.

But yeah, I guess Bret can't take any bumps now... so we got a relatively tame crotch shot at the end that was fairly underwhelming.

Still, the show did its job. Got me to watch WWE for the first time since... well, One Night Stand 2 and RVD winning the title way back when.

 

[avatar299]

And you are thanking TNA for making the same stupid mistakes that killed WCW? Giving away match of the year candidates in free TV with no build up?

Okay that's a bullshit argument. Whenever a wrestling shows tries to launch or relaunch a new show, they give away a high quality PPV match for free. It's advertising and no one complained when SD did it or when ECW had big names like Flair and Edge wrestle on the show. Not the same as what WCW was doing at all.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

Bunch of wrestlers meeting up with Hart in the ring after RAW.

So The Hart Dynasty were there but weren't even used?

smh.

 

[Kusagari]

I think showing AJ vs Kurt on free t.v. was a smart choice. They were looking to grab tons of new viewers who would have no idea who AJ is. Considering he's the champ they had to make him look credible and that match definitely made him look credible to people just tuning in.

 

[DKehoe]

I think showing AJ vs Kurt on free t.v. was a smart choice. They were looking to grab tons of new viewers who would have no idea who AJ is. Considering he's the champ they had to make him look credible and that match definitely made him look credible to people just tuning in.

Agreed. This isn't something they should do on every impact but new viewers need to be shown that AJ is a great wrestler who can go against top guys like Kurt Angle and thats why hes the champion.

 

[Forkball]

Is there going to be a new thread for the January Wrasslin discussion or will this just be it? Could there at least be a title change?

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Is there going to be a new thread for the January Wrasslin discussion or will this just be it? Could there at least be a title change?

Make a new one and post a link in here.

 

[thefro]

This one needs to keep going until we get the ratings shortly, anyway.

FWIW, the Fiesta Bowl put up a pretty weak number
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013321.html?categoryId=14

 

[Deleted member 8095]

Watching Bret Hart last night felt kind of like watching a live version of The Wrestler