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1/4 Wrasslin' thread of Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, and the new Monday Night Wars (lol)

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Bret definitely isn't the same Bret from 10 years ago, and if he had a match he couldn't take many bumps, but I think him not being able to wrestle is more of a legal thing than a physical thing.

He had an insurance policy on his body that he cashed in after Goldberg kicked his face off. IIRC, the company he had the policy with wouldn't pay out, so he sued them and won. Him wrestling again in an actual match where he takes bumps, no matter how light, might delegitimize his insurance claim and force hiim to pay back the money he got from his insurance company.

But at the same time, a match between Bret and Vince at Mania would make WWE so much money that they probably wouldn't have a problem with compensating Bret's insurance company if they got crabby.
 
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Lost Fragment said:
Bret definitely isn't the same Bret from 10 years ago, and if he had a match he couldn't take many bumps, but I think him not being able to wrestle is more of a legal thing than a physical thing.

He had an insurance policy on his body that he cashed in after Goldberg kicked his face off. IIRC, the company he had the policy with wouldn't pay out, so he sued them and won. Him wrestling again in an actual match where he takes bumps, no matter how light, might delegitimize his insurance claim and force hiim to pay back the money he got from his insurance company.

But at the same time, a match between Bret and Vince at Mania would make WWE so much money that they probably wouldn't have a problem with compensating Bret's insurance company if they got crabby.
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He had a stroke in 2002.
 
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thefro said:
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article1009617.shtml

TNA did a 1.5 average over 3 hours, which is their highest rating ever.

Spike TV said they'd be very happy with 1.1. Last time they went against WWE they did a 0.7 or something.
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I think that's a huge victory for TNA--I'm actually shocked it's as high as it is.

Watch WWE pull off a 5.0. Seeing Bret in the ring again was amazing.
 
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numble said:
He had a stroke in 2002.
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This.

Plus, he's nowhere near to being in wrestling shape. The first thing I noticed when he took his jacket off was the massive overhang sticking out over his jorts. He'd need between now and Wrestlemania to get himself into any kind of shape to move in the ring... IF he was even able to do so. I can't see any doctor clearing him though to take any kind of blow at or near his head since he's had a stroke.

If Brett Hart does anything else with the WWE it will have to be in a role similar to what Stone Cold Steve Austin had his last couple of years. No wrestling at all - very limited contact, mostly with him giving out the bumps instead of taking them.
 
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Raw only did a 3.2. Impact pulled in almost half the viewers of WWE and the highest rated segment on TNA was the 9-9:15 quarter hour, which was Hogan up against Bret/Shawn. I think Spike has to give them Mondays after this.
 
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eggybob said:
These numbers, 1.5 and 3.2. What are they?
1.5 million or 1.5% of the audience share?
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A ratings point in cable is around 718,000 compared with networks which are around one million and a half. So 1.5 is 2.9 million compared with WWE's number which is between 5 and 6 million viewers.

small EDIT: and looking at the over nights - Raw did a 2.9 overnight while impact did 1.2. Spike said play it low and they have got to be doing cartwheels right now.
 
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Roxas said:
I think Ric Flair on TNA fits this description more accurately.
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Naw, Flair can still get in the ring and wrestle. I don't think Bret could.
 
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Monday's live three-hour TNA Impact featuring the debut of Hulk Hogan delivered a first hour 1.69 rating and 2.5 million viewers to be the most-watched hour of TNA Impact in company history.

The second hour slipped to a 1.44 rating, but featured the most-watched 15 minutes in company history with a 1.88 quarter-hour rating for Hulk Hogan's debut at 9:00 p.m. EST opposite WWE Raw's Bret Hart return.

The second hour also featured the least-watched segment of the show with a 1.16 quarter-hour rating at the end of the hour (featuring Pope vs. Desmond Wolfe and an A.J. Styles interview) opposite WWE Raw's DX vs. Chris Jericho & Big Show tag title match.

The third hour declined to a 1.22 rating. The range of quarter-hour ratings was between 1.17 and 1.30, with the hour peaking in the final 15 minutes with a 1.30 rating for the end of the Kurt Angle vs. A.J. Styles match and Hulk Hogan watching the NWO beat down Mick Foley.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_37910.shtml
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Borman

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Perfectly good numbers for TNA. Commercials were my biggest complaint, I could deal with the other flaws in it. Im sure ratings suffered a bit as well because of it. Only way to press forward is at the least, going Live every week, whether on Monday or a different day (though Monday would be the best). Technical difficulties wont be worked out unless they press forward.
 
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Yes, Bret had a stroke. That coupled with his history of concussions means he can't wrestle like he did back in the day. But physically, he could still have a non-strenuous match where he dishes out most of the offense and only takes sparse, incredibly light and risk-free bumps. For him to have a match like that, the legality of it is a bigger roadblock than the physicality of it.

Also, megaton if the ratings news is true. I wasn't a fan of Impact last night, but having a real new Monday Night War would be nothing but good.
 
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BoboBrazil

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Well UFC has a special next Monday on Spike, but after that is free game. Spike should be thrilled to have TNA come on every Monday.
 
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Ill say it again these numbers are great!!!!!!!!
We are the winners. You can bet your azz that spike will open the monday slot for TNA.
WWE gets better, TNA gets better. WE WIN. Be happy, and don't hate.
 
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Now for someone to pick up the TNA videogame license again so the Monday Night Wars leads to awesome wrestling videogames again
 
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Awesome TNA did well, and Bret gave Raw a nice little bump.

Good night all around for fans. How soon do you think before they announce an 8-10 Monday Night slot? :lol
 
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DMeisterJ said:
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Nice.

Hopefully the Monday Night Wars keep on going. I loved swapping channels like I used to ten years ago :D
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The first monday night war did help cable in ways we just seeing the effects today. A new one would cement the trend. I only hope that after looking at the ratings and the storylines they have and those in the backburner (the Chono/Hogan/Jarret one - Hall vs Joe etc) and the deal they have with New Japan will get Vince off his behind and produce.

They did more in one night then what they have done in the last decade - crash servers, restarted debate and brought in new stars. I know Impact left a lot to be desired, but its a start.

I just wish people in certain industries (points to the weeboo factories) would learn a bit from the Fight Game.
 
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TNA quarter-hour numbers:

1.58
1.70
1.78
1.71
1.88 - Hogan/Bischoff/nWo segment
1.30
1.42
1.16 - Pope vs. Wolfe, Styles interview
1.17
1.21
1.19
1.30 - Angle vs. Styles, nWo beatdown on Foley



I'm not sure which segments the other numbers correspond to, off the top of my head.
 
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Penguin said:
Awesome TNA did well, and Bret gave Raw a nice little bump.

Good night all around for fans. How soon do you think before they announce an 8-10 Monday Night slot? :lol
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They plan to do the next one around april - the smart money would start the show at 8 to 10 during the Summer and if they able to keep going up - move it against Raw in September.

One wonders if UFC monday's show will do any better - if its equal it would be advantageous to do a fight game type entertainment show similar to AM Raw for both UFC and TNA - and you might think im crazy but TNA had already made an agreement with UFC in princable some time ago. So they can help each other at least on that shows basis.

Looking at the ratings, the females are a draw - I know they were waiting for Hogan but 2.1 million is nothing to sneeze at. I wonder if they also going to go ahead with that "Real Life" type series...

This is going to be a really interesting 3 months.
 
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Yep, if they don't keep it up now there is no point. They don't really have anything else to draw viewers to a special down the road. They blew their load last night, except for maybe RVD.
 
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If I were TNA/Spike TV, I would get them up against Raw once a month before a major PPV until they get things together.

But again, we shall see if this carries over to TNA on Thursdays.
 
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Spike has to jump now. Wrestling is to episodic a genre to bet on switching timeslots constantly. TNA has finally proven that the UFC isn't the only sports show on that network that can succeed. Spike can either let the momentum die or take a small risk.
 
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I don't want to get my hopes up, but TNA and Spike should go head to head with Raw every week, even if it's pre-taped on alternate weeks like Raw used to be. Ideally though, both shows would be live every Monday.
 
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The Jarrett/Hogan segment was apparently disastrous in terms of conveying the intended story, but it raises a valid point. Hogan sashays in, takes control of the company, and insults the guy who started the damn thing? This is heel behavior, and I don't even care that much for Jarrett as a worker.
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The segment did come off bad but I could see where they were going with it. Yes Jarret did start the company but I think a lot of people forget that for the first 4 years, Jarret was the biggest fucking prick ever. I'm not much for Hogan, but I'd be down for face Hogan vs. heel Jarret.
 
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TNA iMPACT spoilers for 1/14/10:


Written by Richard Gray & Tim Capture on Jan 5, 2010 - 5:23:20 PM

TNA Wrestling taped next Thursday's edition of Impact tonight from Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida. Below are exclusive taping results by myself and Tim Capture:

Xplosion:

* Consequences Creed vs. TNA Global Champion Eric Young, it wasn't announced that the title was on the line. Winner via piledriver, Eric Young.

* It's announced that Ric Flair is at the Impact Zone.

TNA Impact (Airing 1/14 on Spike TV):

* Generation Me (formerly the Young Bucks) vs. The Motor City Machine Guns. Generation Me win with a 450 and top rope moonsault.

* Kurt Angle comes out for an in-ring promo. Angle gives credit to AJ Styles for beating him and proving that winning the TNA Championship was no fluke. He says AJ was the better man last week. He says you win some and you lose some. Angle says the real winner gets that last big win and at Genesis it will be him. He says it's real, it's damn real. AJ Styles comes out and says he appreciates Angle taking the loss like a man. He says if they had a series of matches, he would have won some, Angle would have won some - but in the end, he would still be Champion. Styles says he is going to give Angle one more shot [at Genesis] but it will be his last shot of 2010. The masked man attacks AJ and takes him out. He reveals himself as Tyson Tomko.

* Angelina Love just sat down at ringside of the Impact Zone. the Beautiful People come out and embrace Angelina, all of them except Lacey Von Erich who does not. Kong and Hamada come out for a non-title tag team match. Winners via sitdown powerbomb on Madison Rayne, Awesome Kong & Hamda. Angelina comes in the ring to check on Madison, but beats everyone up and cleans house. Velvet Sky starts crying.

* Backstage, AJ Styles barges into Eric Bischoff's office looking for Hulk Hogan. Hogan is busy but Bischoff asks if he can help. AJ is upset about Tomko and says he better not touch him. Bischoff asks what he should do as World Champion? AJ wants a match with Tomko tonight. Bischoff says if he wants that revenge it's quid pro quo. Bischoff says he needs a main event and AJ needs to put the title on the line for a main event. AJ agrees which sets up the shows main event - AJ Styles defending the TNA Championship against Tomko.

* Jeremy Borash is backstage and goes into Bischoff's office. JB needs answers on Mick Foley. He doesn't blame Eric for what happened last week but needs to know where Foley is. Bischoff says it's Borash's fault because he let Foley in. He also says if Borash ever does anything like it again it'll be the last thing he does in the building.

* Beer Money, Inc. comes in and says they don't have a problem with Bischoff or Hogan but they do with their boys Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Sean Waltman. They want Nash and Hall at Genesis. Bischoff says he will think about it.

* Sean Morley comes out to ringside. His entrance video is like the old Val Venis video but he's working under his real name of Sean Morley. Morley gets on the mic and says - ladies, I'm here instead of "hello ladies". He says he worked elsewhere and had to use a stage name, but no more. Now Sean Morley is here to bring his artistry and film making skills. He says TNA was missing a film division. HE says his films will be works of art. Nothing direct-to-video but Daniels interrupts before he can finish. He has a big smile on his face and welcomes Morley and says he has a film idea to pitch. Daniels says there's an honorable hero type who meets a sleazy fast-talking type. There's some M Night Shamalan stuff, then in the end the sleaze ball gets his. Daniels then beats him up, gives him the Best Moonsault Ever and tells him to shut up. He says that Morley offends him. Daniels says he didn't work hard for scum, like Morley to come in and ruin it. He says he's going to take him out but Morley mounts a comeback and gets rid of Daniels.

* Hernandez & Matt Morgan vs. Beer Money, Inc. Rob Terry came out and attacked Hernandez. The referee called for the bell. The match ended in a no contest. Waltman, Nash and Hall come out and beat up Beer Money. TNA security and referees come out to break it up but they get beat up too. Bischoff comes out and gets things under control momentarily. Things fall apart and security gets beat up again. Bischoff tells Beer Money to be very careful what they wish for because the next round is on him.

* Bischoff comes back out and says the fans put a smile on his face. They make him happy, but the only way to be happier is to bring out three close personal friends. Out comes Nash, Hall and Waltman. Bischoff says he doesn't know what to do with them. Last week it was Foley, now it's Beer Money. Waltman thought it's what he wanted. Bischoff says no. What he wants is a match, so at Genesis it's Scott Hall and Kevin Nash vs. Beer Money, Inc.

* Desmond Wolfe b. Samoa Joe via Tower of London with The Pope on commentary. Wolfe won clean against Joe.

* A limousine just pulled up with Ric Flair in it.

* Lethal Consequences came out for a match but Bobby Lashley came out and beat them up. Kristal got on the mic and asks if they have Eric Bischoff's attention yet. She says until she gets her meeting with Hogan, Lashley will take out the entire roster, one-by-one. Team 3D come out for the match. They immediately hit 3D to end the match.

* Bubba gets on the mic and says he was in the Tokyo Dome last week wrestling in front of thousands of fans. The Japanese press asked how they felt about The Nasty Boys busting up their locker room. They didn't even know it happened but they mock the Nasty Boys and wonder where the hell they've been? They berate them, basically calling them old, fat Hogan lackeys riding his coattails. Bubba says they are going to take The Nasty Boys out.

* Jeff Jarrett busts into Hogan's office. He says he is mad at what is happening to his company. Jarrett says there is no real talent in TNA, it's always been only him. He has his lawyer with him and say he will sue. He goes on and on and Bischoff finally cuts him off. Bischoff gives Jarrett the facts that if it wasn't for Dixie Carter there would be no TNA. Bischoff explains she got her family to invest and made it what it is today. Bischoff says Jarrett needs to lace up his boots. Jarrett gets angry again and threatens Hogan. Hogan says he'll kick Jarrett's hillbilly ass and scares him off.

* Ric Flair makes his way to the ring and joins Mike Tenay and Taz at the announce table.

* Tomko vs. AJ Styles for the TNA Championship. Kurt Angle comes out to watch the match from the ramp. Winner via slop drop, AJ Styles. Tomko attacks Styles after the match but Angle makes the save. He puts his hand out for AJ to shake but AJ won't shake it.

Xplosion:

* Daffney w/Dr. Stevie vs. Tara. Tara wins the Widow's Peak.
 
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WWE Raw last night peaked with a 4.4 quarter-hour rating during the over-run segment (11:00 to 11:08 p.m. EST) with Bret Hart and Vince McMahon's show-closing confrontation.

During the head-to-head programming between Raw and TNA Impact, Raw peaked with a 4.1 quarter-hour rating for the DX vs. Chris Jericho & Big Show tag match in the fifth quarter-hour.

During the same 15 minutes from 10:00 to 10:15 p.m. EST, TNA Impact averaged a 1.17 quarter-hour rating, which was Impact's second-lowest quarter-hour rating of the show.

WWE Raw's opening segment with Bret Hart's return and confrontation with Shawn Michaels scored the third most-watched segment of the show with a 3.7 quarter-hour rating.

Hart-Michaels was opposite TNA's most-watched 15 minutes in company history with a 1.9 quarter-hour rating for Hulk Hogan's debut. Hart and Hogan's 15 minutes of TV from 9:00 to 9:15 p.m. EST scored a combined 5.6 quarter-hour rating.

Raw's peak segment during the head-to-head battle (4.1) combined with the corresponding Impact quarter-hour scored a 5.3 combined quarter-hour rating.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_37914.shtml
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lol @ people saying TNA will or should move Monday nights. There is little chance of it happening simply because of how TV and ad revenue work. They can't just move a show at the start of the year without causing some imbalance and unhappiness with sponsors who push fo the shows that are on normally on Monday nights.
 
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Well, I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said. I grew up on wrestling, but I pretty much quit watching once WCW was done. I've tuned in for a show here or there, but it just isn't the same. That said, last night was fun bit of nostalgia, but I certainly didn't see anything that is going to make me tune in on a regular basis...

I will admit that I am curious to see how this plays out, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. I will probably check the wrestling threads over the next few weeks to see if things play out favorably. Maybe even set the DVR if something big is announced. I sure as hell won't put myself through that barrage of commercials during Impact again. I understand that they are the small fish, and it was probably a necessary evil, but damn. It was fun to relive some younger days, even if it is only for one night. :)
 
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NYR said:
lol @ people saying TNA will or should move Monday nights. There is little chance of it happening simply because of how TV and ad revenue work. They can't just move a show at the start of the year without causing some imbalance and unhappiness with sponsors who push fo the shows that are on normally on Monday nights.
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On the most recent WOL show, Dave Meltzer was saying that if TNA did a good enough rating (around the 1.5 range), Spike TV would possibly look into putting them on Monday nights on a weekly basis and change their current taping schedule (and that change could occur as soon as a few weeks after the live Monday special).

Just going by what the messenger said.
 
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Charmicarmicat

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Didn't see this in the thread, Jeff Hardy has been indicted. Wonder if TNA regrets signing him to a contract :lol

- According to Pwinsider.com, Jeff Hardy's drug arrest went before the Grand Jury yesterday in Moore County, North Carolina. The Grand Jury found that there was enough evidence to indict Hardy, and the case will now move to superior court. Hardy's case is expected to be set on the docket within the next week.

- Hardy was originally set for a probable cause hearing on January 27th for his September 2009 drug charges. The hearing would have determined whether there was enough evidence regarding the arrest to go on the Grand Jury. The hearing is not required, and it appears as if prosecutors have opted to move the case along through the Grand Jury.

- Hardy was arrested for the following charges on 9.11.09:

*Felony possession of cocaine.
*Felony drug trafficking of opium
*Felony possession with intent to redistribute a Schedule III drug (two counts).
*Maintaining a dwelling for drug use and/or distribution.
*Possession of drug paraphernalia. (misdemeanor)
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I say no thanks to monday night wars. I don't watch TNA anyways but i wouldn't want them to fail and go under. It's always nice to have somewhere else to go. Once and awhile sure but not permanent.
 
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Killing_Joke said:
I say no thanks to monday night wars. I don't watch TNA anyways but i wouldn't want them to fail and go under. It's always nice to have somewhere else to go. Once and awhile sure but not permanent.
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Hell, if they can pull a 1.5+ every week they've got a better chance of staying alive. Some consistency in booking and the additional eyes from folks watching the unopposed hour (if they're smart they'll go 8-10) might net them some extra PPV buys.

They're far more likely to get crossover WWE fans by being on Monday nights where it can just be an extra hour (plus some switching channels) in the routine rather than being on another night altogether.
 
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