ethomaz
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10 PS4 'Neo' Game Upgrades That Must Be Made - Digital Foundry
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Shifty
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This one knows what they're on about.
The fact that there could be bad practice of that sort in the code, something that Sony doesn't enforce, means they can't afford to take that chance.
The PC comparison is meaningless, because the PS4 isn't a PC. It's a console, with a set of fixed specifications that developers can and will optimize around, sometimes in ways that will break if the spec changes.
Consider the New 3DS homebrew that allows for CPU speed unlocking in games not designed for it. Some of them run better for it and work fine, which is great, but some of them don't. Ocarina of Time, for example, has broken sound and hangs the system when you quit. That's not something that a platform holder like Sony can endorse.
Yes, the NEO is probably going to push PS4 development more in the direction of PC-style hardware agnosticism, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the PS4 has a three-year back catalogue of titles built around the assumption that the spec will remain fixed.
Lemmy Caution
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I'd love to see the extra horsepower improve Just Cause 3. I had a lot of fun with #2 but heard so much shit about the sequel I can't be bothered to try it.
Kabuki Waq
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imagine if we get remasters within the same generation. glorious
OdysseusVA
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Thought this would be about hardware changes, like SATA III
edit scratch that didn't see "games". I'm still sleepy
edit scratch that didn't see "games". I'm still sleepy
anothertech
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Those games are def doable at 60fps.
GTAV tho...
GTAV tho...
I would like to see all those games patched on the Neo, but honestly I would only expect to see Uncharted 4 and MAYBE the Witcher 3 and Gta 5 ( if they got out a GOTY edition or something)
Uncharted 4 though I think is definitely happening. Naughty Dog seemed genuinely disappointed they couldn't get the single player running at 60 fps. They are Sony's flagship developer and by all accounts UC4 is bottlenecked by the gpu not the cpu.
Probably when the single player dlc comes out there will be a Neo patch released simultaneously.
Uncharted 4 though I think is definitely happening. Naughty Dog seemed genuinely disappointed they couldn't get the single player running at 60 fps. They are Sony's flagship developer and by all accounts UC4 is bottlenecked by the gpu not the cpu.
Probably when the single player dlc comes out there will be a Neo patch released simultaneously.
Aenima
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Performance optimisation are the last part of the process when developing games. Spending time and resorces analysing games in Alpha or from conference footage not only is a waste of time as might induce the consumer in error. Thers a reason when u play a demo it says "It may not represent the final version" or something along those lines.
The time they spend milking the same titles over and over since the Alpha state to the release, they could be analysing other games that have been gone gold and not released yet.
Its click fishing, big tittles generate more clicks than a more nich tittle. No developer are reading DF to know how they game runs cuz they KNOW how they game runs.
UnwrittenZero
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I'm hoping the neo has a better sata so you can get the most out of a ssd. That will cut load times.
Alpha Phoenix
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That Battlemage game is something.
E_Darkness
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But the frame drops are part of EDF's charm...
Good list. FFXV is a game that I'm actually planning on waiting until Neo is out to play through.
I doubt too many old games will get updated but I will be happy for all that do. CDPR seems like the type of studio that would go back and update their game. I'm sure ND will do something since Sony loves having them flaunt new tech but I'm not sure that 60fps will be on the table for SP given that the 30fps cap, as of the PSX gameplay, was due to the CPU not being able to keep up. Most of the games that get updated will likely be those that have more of a service model (The Division, Destiny, etc) or are still being updated with season pass content.
I doubt too many old games will get updated but I will be happy for all that do. CDPR seems like the type of studio that would go back and update their game. I'm sure ND will do something since Sony loves having them flaunt new tech but I'm not sure that 60fps will be on the table for SP given that the 30fps cap, as of the PSX gameplay, was due to the CPU not being able to keep up. Most of the games that get updated will likely be those that have more of a service model (The Division, Destiny, etc) or are still being updated with season pass content.
You can't release different games on Neo.
Clockwork5
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After seeing the list I initially thought "why no Fallout 4? That game runs like shit"
Then I remembered that I had no fun playing that game and that it doesn't deserve a spot on this list.
Then I remembered that I had no fun playing that game and that it doesn't deserve a spot on this list.
Sometime after today.
CertifiedFP
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There's no way they could pull off getting DS3 and BB to 60FPS.
There's PCs out there better than the projected Neo specs that can't hit 60FPS in DS3 so far.
There's PCs out there better than the projected Neo specs that can't hit 60FPS in DS3 so far.
I prefer Betashed
Final Fantasy XV NEEDS a Neo mode. And I don't mean that in a "I would maybe like a Neo mode" sort of way. It's all but guaranteed to have serious issues running on PS4 vanilla and I don't want a potentially amazing game to get negative reviews over its performance, of all things. Let Just Cause 3 be a warning.
93xfan
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If Siny has a PS Store section advertising games that are better with NEO, I could see some developers doing it. Some developers already do free updates and DLC. I'd imagine that at least some of them would do at least a little work to iron out some kinks in frame rate.
My biggest hopes for games out before December are The Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and GTA5. We also may see Driveclub updated to 60fps if there's still a team getting it ready for VR.
-hadouken
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I'd be content with a version that goes into wired mode when plugged in via USB. Silly that wireless is forced - bad for tournament/competitive stuff too.
Makoto-Yuki
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So do we know that the Neo specs will be such an improvement that they will be able to run a game at 60fps if it can only manage 30 now?
For example, Bloodborne. No way that manages a solid 30fps. I'd guess it drops to ~25. How is the PS4 Neo gonna get those 30-40 extra frames from just an OC'd CPU and an "improved" GPU? If it does indeed use Polaris is that gonna do it?
I just find it unlikely that we'll get double the performance out of it. If anything maybe a small fps boost that would get games like Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, GTA V to run at solid 30fps.
For example, Bloodborne. No way that manages a solid 30fps. I'd guess it drops to ~25. How is the PS4 Neo gonna get those 30-40 extra frames from just an OC'd CPU and an "improved" GPU? If it does indeed use Polaris is that gonna do it?
I just find it unlikely that we'll get double the performance out of it. If anything maybe a small fps boost that would get games like Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, GTA V to run at solid 30fps.
93xfan
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You don't understand how NEO works, do you? People have been discussing NEO for weeks and yet you didn't bother to do even the slightest bit of research, so I'll help you out.
All improvements to older games will come as a free update. No game or even gameplay feature is allowed to be NEO exclusive. There will not be a "NEO only" remaster of anything.
Great list but I honestly only see the first party games like Driveclub, Uncharted, maybe BB etc. getting updated. I doubt companies like Konami have any real incentive to go back and update their past titles.
Edit: Oh and obviously third party games that aren't out yet. FFXV could definitely have a neo mode when the new PS4 hits.
Edit: Oh and obviously third party games that aren't out yet. FFXV could definitely have a neo mode when the new PS4 hits.
The 30fps background elements look like a design decision unfortunately.
Same game, same disc/download. Completely shared library, no 4k exclusives allowed.
Nocturno999
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Drive Club should be #1. Game looks gorgeous but that frame rate.
TheSpecialOne
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A neo upgrade on star wars battlefront won't fix the bad gameplay. It's a waste of time.
Booker Dewitt
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Besides FFXV and The Witcher 3, I don't expect any of these to happen. FFXV is obvious, but I don't expect many companies to go back to year old games and improve them. Except CD Projekt Red, considering the revisions they've done to the previous games.
GlamFM
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Sure, but unlike GTAV these games probably wont be as active and still make money by the time the Neo comes out.
GTAV MP for all I know (I don´t play it) still makes a ton of cash.
MetalGearZed
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yes! some of the textures can use touching up to. but those lame shdows have to go. game looks mad different on PC due to the things you've mentioned and its a beauty compared to the PS4 version.
a design of what? ass? its as distracting as the character select clipping.
Crimsonclaw111
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From doesn't give a fuck anyway. People have been complaining about frame pacing since launch of both games.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Lol FFXV is months away from release and they are asking for a more stable Neo framerate?
Lichdom can not be topped of existing games. Period.
Its gonna be janky when it launches by default, even with the months of optimization. I think they will end up settling the res at 1440x1080 and making the framerate as solid as possible on PS4...that will give neo a lot of legroom