i believe so it doesnt have any production problems and over heating issues. but i could be wrong.
i just wonder if the PS4 is also in production. someone ask @ysop lol
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i believe so it doesnt have any production problems and over heating issues. but i could be wrong.
i just wonder if the PS4 is also in production. someone ask @ysop lol
Phat Michael
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You tried but i dont think this works at all. What did you want to get from posting this? What do you think it added to the conversation or thread in general? Did you want a laugh or was this just a drive by posting for no real reason?
You could tell it was an instant "junior" post before even seeing the avatar.
Well, we're still waiting for FCC documents from Xbone considering it supposedly passed certification way before PS4. Of course no one can find those documents though.
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Yeah, I'm aware of that and it's not what I meant. Just look at press' reaction to this - most will say that Xbox has 1,75GHz processor vs. 1,6GHz in PS4 without any comment what that means in terms of overall system's performance or how it changes the performance gap between the two systems.
Most people - and I'm sure, a lot of press too - will simply think: "Xbox' CPU is 9% faster than PS4, while its GPU is 7% faster, which leads to Xbox being stronger than PS4 by 16%!1!1!!!"
Yeah. Its a well known thing with Apple products too.
Given the components, case size and internal psu of the ps4 I'd probably be more concerned all things being equal.
SneakyStephan
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I covered that in the top part of my post didn't I?
I don't trust MS to give half a shit about the consumer if something goes wrong, I don't trust them to make good hardware, but I'm not worried about an overclock causing an rrod.
If they know it's broken right now, I know they will still release it as long as they thing the failures will happen after the warranty expires, because that is what MS do and that is who they are, evil corporate, anti consumer shits.
If you want to be worried about the xbox one , sure, but not because of an overclock (more like de-underrclock since a similar cpu in a laptop will be clocked at 2ghz) . It's a 1.75 ghz netbook cpu in a 5x larger shell , let's get real here.
It's not like it's a 5ghz bulldozer cpu that produces 200W of heat.
The geekwire article related post section got a chuckle out of me
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I'm fully aware of GDDR5 vs. DDR3+ESRAM, hUMA vs. no/maybe hUMA, etc. things and I thought this is not debatable, so I concentrated on PUBLIC IMAGE those latest upclocks create and how PUBLIC (not Gaf / geeks) think about it
eastx
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Making any change at all is not doing a 180. Improving the CPU clock is not a 180. A 180 degree turn would be to reverse course on a stance, not make an incremental improvement.
Except that this is only good news and there is no negative angle to it.
Oh after the 360 disaster and the costs associated with that, I think MS would have taken more care in all stages so they don't have another clusterfuck. Thats why, I'm sure, that the whole back is a vent.
paradise_circus
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Yeah, I'm aware of that and it's not what I meant. Just look at press' reaction to this - most will say that Xbox has 1,75GHz processor vs. 1,6GHz in PS4 without any comment what that means in terms of overall system's performance or how it changes the performance gap between the two systems.
Most people - and I'm sure, a lot of press too - will simply think: "Xbox' CPU is 9% faster than PS4, while its GPU is 7% faster, which leads to Xbox being stronger than PS4 by 16%!1!1!!!"
Sony could just argue with almost 2 TFlops compute power. The Playstation still have the factsheet advantage.
Tbh, I think nobody cares.
Jaguar isn't "designed" to run at 2GHz, that just happens to be the upper end of the clocks AMD decided on, for the desktop SKUs.
The whole 1.6GHz target seems to have come from AMD itself, in terms of sweet spot for the CPU, they probably ran tests to determine that the perf/W was best around this clock and both MS/Sony went with it, atleast for their initial specs.
The clock rate of the CPU isn't tied to the GPU, just take a look at any AMD APU and you'll find that the CPU cores have dynamic clocks ..
anexanhume
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Anandtech also notes a huge jump in TDP to go from 1.6 to 2.0 GHz.
The 1.6 GHz clock speed was likely for yields, not power consumption. Same reason the GPUs are at ~800 MHz even though we know GCN does fine at 1000 MHz.
The heat concerns are unsubstantiated for a couple of reasons:
1. TDP != power consumption, especially when you're isolating the CPU from an SoC. Anand showed this himself in his Kabini review when he recorded the entire laptop drawing 11.5W under CPU load (the A4-5000 is rated at 15W).
2. The 15W -> 25W jump includes a GPU clock boost of 20%.
3. The Opteron X1150 (CPU-only Jaguar) shows otherwise. A 100% increase in CPU speed (1 GHz -> 2 GHz) results in only an 88% increase in TDP (9W -> 17W).
4. Jaguar consumes so little power that even if a 25% bump to 2 GHz in the XB1 resulted in a 50% increase in power, you're looking at an extra 10W at most.
The heat concerns are unsubstantiated for a couple of reasons:
1. TDP != power consumption, especially when you're isolating the CPU from an SoC. Anand showed this himself in his Kabini review when he recorded the entire laptop drawing 11.5W under CPU load (the A4-5000 is rated at 15W).
2. The 15W -> 25W jump includes a GPU clock boost of 20%.
3. The Opteron X1150 (CPU-only Jaguar) shows otherwise. A 100% increase in CPU speed (1 GHz -> 2 GHz) results in only an 88% increase in TDP (9W -> 17W).
4. Jaguar consumes so little power that even if a 25% bump to 2 GHz in the XB1 resulted in a 50% increase in power, you're looking at an extra 10W at most.
I'm fully aware of GDDR5 vs. DDR3+ESRAM, hUMA vs. no/maybe hUMA, etc. things and I thought this is not debatable, so I concentrated on PUBLIC IMAGE those latest upclocks create and how PUBLIC (not Gaf / geeks) think about it
Dude...
The (non-geek) public doesn't know about XB1 upclocks...
There was a GPU up clock in there but I think they made that call based on their discussions with AMD, which is why they haven't removed or retracted that bit. (Most of the times Anand gets their info directly from AMD/Intel/Nvidia)
It's incredible that you manage to post the same thing in every thread.
They're clocked at ~800 for TDP reasons..
I don't think that this is a real "last-minute" change. People confuse the time of announcement with the time of decision. And ys, it is perfectly possible that final clocks are determined when all other engineering results (like case design) are fixed. Prior clocks could just haven deliberate conservative targets that were guaranteed to be met and that developers could rely on as a base line.
Bananajama
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I'm actually a little concerned about all the changes being made to the Xbox.
All the DRM issues are to be reveresed with a Day One patch.
What if you don't have internet?
All these BIOS changes (i assume) must be delivered by a Software update.
What if you don't have the internet and buy a game that uses these upped specs that doesn't come pre-loaded with the software update.
All the DRM issues are to be reveresed with a Day One patch.
What if you don't have internet?
All these BIOS changes (i assume) must be delivered by a Software update.
What if you don't have the internet and buy a game that uses these upped specs that doesn't come pre-loaded with the software update.
With now 2 last minute overclocks, I wonder if any potential problems might lie in the power supply instead of overheating problems. I'm sure they thought of this, but last minute overclocks with no power supply changes seems as if it could change the long-term reliability of the console. Although I am certainly no expert...
Phat Michael
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that should be in the OP. All makes sense to me. Only Neogaf could turn this negative somehow - an increase in performance, therefore (for some reason) greater chance of failure and "PS4 is still more powerful!"
Who cares? if you werent going to buy an xbox, it doesnt affect you.
if you were, its better. Done.
Sure, but not because they'd be significantly less efficient at 1000 MHz.
Underpowered compared to what? Their price tag? Their tdp? Fully specced PCs?
Its not like we got incredible looking launch window games last gen either. Both consoles will see huge improvements over time.
The power designs are mostly over compensated for so that is probably unwarranted IMO.
Thanks! So DR3 having less fps problems at PAX makes sense now. I am happy.
The 7750 doesn't need a 6-pin where as the 7770 at 1Ghz does ..
Stealth_Cobra
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Nothing brings confidence in a product's reliability more than last-minute overclocking two months before launch.
Why does DR3 having less FPS at PAX make sense now? Its was running on a dev unit with a 1.6 cpu. By the way this thread is laugh a minute.
Chobel
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No, DR3 having less fps problems is due to the optimizations, because it was running on Xbox one before the upclock.
Albert Penello said:
Now it should run even smoother with the new 1.75 Xbox.
I read that wrong, thanks. (it's early...). Even more happy then.
Quadraphonic
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The device will not run games without the day 1 patch. You need an initial Internet connection.
This upclock has been in production units for a while now. They just felt comfortable to ANNOUNCE it today.
Riky
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Pretty confident in the reliability as they said the team who designed the Trinity 360s revision have designed X1, those consoles seem rock solid. Looking at the size of it and the fan then it seems to have been at the top of the agenda, overkill to make sure has probably left loads of headroom for these clock speed bumps.
More performance is nothing but good news in my book and only devs really know what optimisations MS have put into their hardware which will help it get optimal output, counting basic tflop outputs isn't the total picture. I'm sure game engines changing to being threaded correctly to the eight core CPU will make a huge difference.
More performance is nothing but good news in my book and only devs really know what optimisations MS have put into their hardware which will help it get optimal output, counting basic tflop outputs isn't the total picture. I'm sure game engines changing to being threaded correctly to the eight core CPU will make a huge difference.
Tell you what I'll do... I'll drop a message tomorrow to the NS2 devs since my cousin's office is right next to theirs. I'll post their reply for you, and if they say you're full of shit, then you have to donate $20 to charity. If they say I'm wrong, I'll donate $20 to charity. Deal?
This post made with 150mhz more stupid.
bottom line,
xbox 360 was a beast back at 2005.
I had many burnout on me, but at least they died gloriously.
this time, xbone being underpowered and all, it will be a very not-glorious death if it happens.
the same also holds for ps4.
you give us mid-range stuff? for starters you are very stupid for doing that, but thats another story.
at the very least, they better not break like the last ones you motherfuckers! both!
xbox 360 was a beast back at 2005.
I had many burnout on me, but at least they died gloriously.
this time, xbone being underpowered and all, it will be a very not-glorious death if it happens.
the same also holds for ps4.
you give us mid-range stuff? for starters you are very stupid for doing that, but thats another story.
at the very least, they better not break like the last ones you motherfuckers! both!
I hope they have other optimization techniques available, because assuming DR3 ran at 20fps overall system's performance boost of 0.7% will improve fps count by 0.2fps...
Do either consoles come with any warranty? At least one year or two and my Amex will add an extra on top of that.
Wanting to not do another round of RROD, I have no idea how you cannot see that making last minute changes to any product makes it appear worse planned. That aside, you still cannot argue that they're left with as much time to test it properly.
here in EU, everything electronic has a 2 year warranty, either the producer likes it or not.
at least thats how it was until last year. I dont know with all the shitstorm in EU if it has changed or not recently, but i think I'd heard something if it did.
They don't need to test it now, it is already done. These changes are not made on a whim.
1 year in the UK.
Bam Bam Baklava
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To be honest the warranty services usually suck. You wait like a month for the process and you get a band aid fixed refurb in return.
I think at some point the 360 only had a 90 day warranty. I was burning through those original ones like crazy but the slim revised unit has been extremely reliable. I really hope they carry over whatever they did to fix things.
Not as last minute as you think it sounds from Albert that they have been working on it for some time and the yields are there to improve clocks so they did.
It's not like they went crazy, very modest clocks and i,m certain they are well within their window
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