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[Count Dookkake]

FWWM is more than a prequel, if you think that

Spoiler

the Black Lodge exists in an ever-present "now." Cooper, after the series, has been trapped there and through dreams is trying to warn Laura (and himself) of what is to come. Maybe one day it will work and we will get a sequel in which Laura was never murdered.

 

[fenners]

FWWM is more than a prequel, if you think that

Spoiler

the Black Lodge exists in an ever-present "now." Cooper, after the series, has been trapped there and through dreams is trying to warn Laura (and himself) of what is to come. Maybe one day it will work and we will get a sequel in which Laura was never murdered.

Yep,

Spoiler

time is circular, essentially.

 

[AstroLad]

yet another reason why fwwm is too lynchian. nah i'm jk haven't seen it in like ten years maybe more probably rewatch it after i get through this rewatch

 

[Big One]

I don't like Fire Walk With Me either. It isn't the Lynchian elements, it's just how badly portrayed the established characters are. Only Laura should've really been into the drugs and shit, not all of her schoolfriends. I think the movie ultimately raises more questions than answers, despite being a good close for Cooper's story.

 

[Night_Trekker]

I don't like Fire Walk With Me either. It isn't the Lynchian elements, it's just how badly portrayed the established characters are. Only Laura should've really been into the drugs and shit, not all of her schoolfriends. I think the movie ultimately raises more questions than answers, despite being a good close for Cooper's story.

I know this isn't what you mean, but this is one reason I want a director's cut. You basically can't understand the film without having seen the show because established characters from the show have no introduction at all. They simply appear, say a few lines, then disappear. And Donna being played by someone else, while unavoidable, really sucks.

I still stand behind the film, though. It's heavily flawed and might be Lynch's worst film aside from Dune, but it has a lot going for it.

 

[flyover]

too much lynch not enough frost!

Yeah, the great thing about Twin Peaks was the collaboration between Frost and Lynch. Frost doesn't get nearly enough credit, but the show was at its best when the two hashed things out together. Frost wasn't above a little weirdness, but he knew how to structure storylines for TV: putting index cards up on the writers' room wall to scope out plot and character arcs. Frost was essential for continuity: keeping things on track and well-paced.

That said, one of the problems when Lynch became less involved in the writing of the show is that it became almost too conventional and arc-centric. Freelance writers could be brought on for an episode or two and basically told to connect the dots (which Jerry Stahl covers briefly in his memoir, Permanent Midnight).

When it came to Twin Peaks, I think Lynch and Frost were vastly better as a band than as solo artists.

 

[alr1ght]

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

i'm watching episode 3 and one of the best tv moments i have ever seen happened (screen cap of the end of it below):

 

[VitaminApple]

Can you post a picture of their Character. Having award time seeing who they are.

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

Attractivepeoplestayingattractive.jpgs

I see.

 

[JaseC]

just started watching and iim liking it so far.

i actually played deadly premonition on 360 before watching this and it's pretty clear the game is 100% inspired by this show. if you like the show and haven't played it yet you should play deadly premonition

This recommendation keeps being mentioned, but it seems the game is EOL? The only place I've found it is on eBay for AU$30 inclusive of postage from the UK.

Is the game region-free? (I know the UK version will play just fine on my AU 360, however there's currently a US version of the game being auctioned.)

Can you post a picture of their Character. Having award time seeing who they are.

From top to bottom:

Dana Ashbrook, who played Bobby Briggs.

Madchen Amick, who played Shelly Johnson. (And is still bloody hot!)

Sheryl Lee, who played Laura Palmer and her cousin, Maddy Ferguson.

Ray Wise, who played Leland Palmer.

Kyle MacLachlan, who played Dale Cooper.

Michael Ontkean, who played Harry Truman.

Sherilyn Fenn, who played Audrey Horne.

Ray Wise again.

Lenny von Dohlen, who played Harold Smith.

Michael J. Anderson, who played the Man from Another Place (the strange short man in Cooper's dream/

Spoiler

the Black Lodge

)

I was going to post pictures of their respective characters, however the touch pad on my laptop is being a prick.

There's something surreal about seeing all these characters ~20 years later.

Edit: Added images.

 

[agrajag]

Man, the guy that played Bobby Briggs looks so old! MFAP looks exactly the same, as does Harry Truman.

 

[big ander]

Y'all should be watching Dale Cooper be a creepy/happy sailor man on How I Met Your Mother. Probably the funniest part of this season.

 

[agrajag]

FWWM is more than a prequel, if you think that

Spoiler

the Black Lodge exists in an ever-present "now." Cooper, after the series, has been trapped there and through dreams is trying to warn Laura (and himself) of what is to come. Maybe one day it will work and we will get a sequel in which Laura was never murdered.

True, however

Spoiler

her choice was between being murdered or being possessed by Bob, which is what Bob really wanted. Mike gave her the ring which prevented him from possessing her, so he had no choice but to kill her, which was her salvation (she goes to heaven at the end of the movie). Coop, telling her not to take the ring was an evil act. Not taking the ring would've meant that Laura would have gotten possessed instead of dying, so the future Coop would never have had to go to Twin Peaks and be trapped in the Black Lodge.

 

[AstroLad]

bobby does look damn old but really the trick is that the series doesn't feel quite as old as it really is

 

[agrajag]

bobby does look damn old but really the trick is that the series doesn't feel quite as old as it really is

Right, but he was basically a kid in the series (maybe in early 20's?) but he almost looks older than the guy that played Sheriff Truman now. And Shelly didn't age nearly as bad as he did.

 

[AstroLad]

yeah cause his hair got leland'd

 

[BlueTsunami]

I think I find Sheryl Lee the most beautiful of all the Twin Peaks women and love that she was in the show itself albeit not as who she's known for.

 

[damn that's nice]

it's time...

to watch this show

 

[agrajag]

Never found Sheryl Lee attractive, meh.

 

[damn that's nice]

This is damn fine thread.

I'm going to have to agree with this.

 

[JaseC]

Right, but he was basically a kid in the series (maybe in early 20's?) but he almost looks older than the guy that played Sheriff Truman now. And Shelly didn't age nearly as bad as he did.

Provided his birth date on iMDB is correct, he would've been 22-23 when the show first aired in 1990.

 

[Chris R]

Only watched the series because of the Deadly Premonition Giant Bomb Endurance Run, but damn why didn't I find out about this sooner!!! Such a great series, even with the minor letdown that was the middle part of Season 2. Also, I'd have to say that this show has some of the best season ending episodes of any show. So much crazy shit happening, cliff hangers and the like. FWWM wasn't that great, but really filled out the story in a bunch of places. Thinking of buying the gold box set next time it goes on sale at Amazon (or is there a chance of a Blu Ray release at some point?)

Also, another thing that really set the series apart for me was the music, really good through out the entire show, and even stuff as simple as a character's theme was well done. Finally...

Spoiler

Shelly was and still is the hottest chick of the show... GOLFHAM!

 

[Kevtones]

I read a newer Frost script for work last year... Not so good


Still, love this show and everything about it ever.

 

[Daigoro]

i love Twin Peaks, and i REALLY LOVE Fire Walk With Me.

so damn good. and the movie is godly to me. one of his best.

im going to have to rewatch the series now.

anyone know how the pilot is on Netflix? i bough the only region 1 dvd several years back, but it was transferred at a slightly wrong speed, so it looks slightly off. not a great DVD.

is the one on streaming fixed?

Twin Peaks 20th Anniversary Merchandise

I meant to share this on gaf a while back but there aren't many TP threads. It's the first official Twin Peaks merchandise since it originally aired.

I picked up the Great Northern pen set (now sold out permanently apparently), a t-shirt and the Double R Diner coffee cup. Everything has been approved by David Lynch, and in some cases designed by the man himself. Worth a look.

holy shit! i need that RR mug and probably a t-shirt.

definitly need that mug bad. thanks for posting.

yet another reason why fwwm is too lynchian. nah i'm jk haven't seen it in like ten years maybe more probably rewatch it after i get through this rewatch

grrrrr. i love you Astro, but this is serious shit here!

glad youre going to give it another shot though. good luck.

 

[RadioHeadAche]

I love when the show goes into those really surreal and eerie moments.

At this time, I believe I left off after episode eleven with

Spoiler

Donna finding Laura's diary in Harold Smith's house

. Is this the beginning of that horrible Donna/James story mid-way through I've heard so much about?

 

[JaseC]

I love when the show goes into those really surreal and eerie moments.

At this time, I believe I left off after episode eleven with

Spoiler

Donna finding Laura's diary in Harold Smith's house

. Is this the beginning of that horrible Donna/James story mid-way through I've heard so much about?

The sub-plot with Donna and Harold isn't bad. I mean, it at least has a loose tie to the overall plot with

Spoiler

Laura's secret diary

. The mid-season dip begins when James takes off to that woman's place to "fix her husband's car", which sees Donna run after him in the cliched "I love you and would do anything to be with you forever" fashion.

The sub-plot goes absolutely nowhere. I'd say it's used to flesh out or add depth to the relationship between James and Donna, but it does neither. The plot is just... there.

 

[Daigoro]

did you watch FWWM yet?

 

[JaseC]

did you watch FWWM yet?

No, not just yet. I bought the DVD today so I'll be watching it tonight.

 

[Daigoro]

good luck there!

 

[agrajag]

The sub-plot with Donna and Harold isn't bad. I mean, it at least has a loose tie to the overall plot with

Spoiler

Laura's secret diary

. The mid-season dip begins when James takes off to that woman's place to "fix her husband's car", which sees Donna run after him in the cliched "I love you and would do anything to be with you forever" fashion.

The sub-plot goes absolutely nowhere. I'd say it's used to flesh out or add depth to the relationship between James and Donna, but it does neither. The plot is just... there.

That's the absolute low point of Twin Peaks for me. It's like a filler season in an anime series.

 

[Daigoro]

well shit.

i just did a comparison between the netflix version of the pilot and the only available Region 1 dvd version of the US pilot *(the gold edition one is the Euro pilot correct? ).

the stand alone dvd is such shit.

at the 4 minute mark the dvd is already 10 seconds faster than the netflix version. the sound is terrible, noticeable phasing noise. the picture on the dvd version is grainy and the color is washed out.

even with 1 bar (my dsl connection at home is such dog shit :/), the netflix version looks and sounds a lot better. sad.

*i just double checked and realized the gold box has both the US and the Euro pilot.

fuck. time to spring for the Gold Box then huh? what a waste of money the original dvd seasons were.

i do love the slipcase for S1 though. ill probably have to keep it just for that.

 

[agrajag]

I have the gold box and the image quality is fantastic.

 

[tycoonheart]

Just finished season 1 yesterday afternoon. So much happened in the season finale. Holy cow. Can't wait to start season 2. Might watch a couple of episodes tonight.

Was Jacques in Seinfeld? Didn't he play a mailman in the backwards episode, where him and Kramer go back and forth with wishes?

 

[Chuckie]

Oh, and Audrey fans should watch Meridian and Laura fans should watch Vampires.








Lots of nudity.

And Two Moon Junction for Audrey fans

 

[EliCash]

In a show that's full of such good characters there are also a lot of terrible ones. Josie, Catherine, Evelyn, Windhom Earle, Super Nadine, Dick, Jean Renault I'm looking at all of you. I remember during my first viewing I just didn't have any time for the whole Packard sawmill plot. Josie just annoyed me every time she was on screen.

Spoiler

I guess you could say she was a knob...

That's the absolute low point of Twin Peaks for me. It's like a filler season in an anime series.

That along with the

Spoiler

Super Nadine, thinking she's in high school

plotline came close to putting Twin Peaks beyond the point of recovery. Then there's everything to do with Dick, and the Pine Weasel. There's far too much nonsense in season 2. Fortunately there's moments of brilliance also.

 

[JaseC]

The one thing S02 makes abundantly clear is that Twin Peaks didn't lend itself well to a 20+ episode season. It would've been much better having, say, a 12-14 episode season instead, as many cable shows do today. The major plot points of S02 are great and it would compare favourably to S01 if it weren't for all the fat.

We may have even got a third season seeing as ABC wouldn't have needed to cough up the cash for 8-10 unnecessary episodes, not to mention the ratings may have held up a while longer with a shorter season.

Oh well. What's done is done.

 

[butter_stick]

Windom Earle was awesome. He completely saved the show in S2 before the end.

 

[VGChampion]

Just finished Season 1. Really enjoyed it but it felt different after Cooper had his first dream. For some reason it seemed to get less weird and acted like a regular show. I'm not sure if it's because we had more Agent Cooper in the first half than the second or just the little weird things like the kid dancing away from his locker in the very first episode that never really popped up again.

Still, looking forward to S2.

 

[Menelaus]

Just watched the pilot last night on Netflix instant...not sure what to think yet.

 

[Kers]

Watched the last episode of season 2 yesterday. I didn't know I already was at the end of this show, too bad. Somewhere this week I going to watch FWWM.

 

[Seraphinianus]

well shit.

i just did a comparison between the netflix version of the pilot and the only available Region 1 dvd version of the US pilot *(the gold edition one is the Euro pilot correct? ).

the stand alone dvd is such shit.

at the 4 minute mark the dvd is already 10 seconds faster than the netflix version. the sound is terrible, noticeable phasing noise. the picture on the dvd version is grainy and the color is washed out.

even with 1 bar (my dsl connection at home is such dog shit :/), the netflix version looks and sounds a lot better. sad.

*i just double checked and realized the gold box has both the US and the Euro pilot.

fuck. time to spring for the Gold Box then huh? what a waste of money the original dvd seasons were.

i do love the slipcase for S1 though. ill probably have to keep it just for that.

the pre-Definitive Gold Edition DVDs are all notoriously bad.

 

[EliCash]

Windom Earle was awesome. He completely saved the show in S2 before the end.

I think you might be confusing Windom Earle with David Lynch

Windom Earle just didn't sit well with me, someone on here said he was like a bad batman villain. I tend to agree.

The one thing S02 makes abundantly clear is that Twin Peaks didn't lend itself well to a 20+ episode season. It would've been much better having, say, a 12-14 episode season instead, as many cable shows do today. The major plot points of S02 are great and it would compare favourably to S01 if it weren't for all the fat.

We may have even got a third season seeing as ABC wouldn't have needed to cough up the cash for 8-10 unnecessary episodes, not to mention the ratings may have held up a while longer with a shorter season.

Oh well. What's done is done.

Yea, but I think there would be nothing wrong with a 20+ episode season if the Laura Palmer mystery was allowed to continue. One of the main problems was that an Audrey and Coop romance was supposed to take over as the main plotline after the killer was revealed. Kyle Maclachlan reportedly didn't think it was morally right for Coop to date a high schooler. So they brought in an actress younger than Fenn to play Annie and made Coop approve of Gordon Cole kissing Shelly Johnson, makes sense right? But regardless, you're right, a 12 episode season would've probably been better, and perhaps we would have a third season if that was the case.

They didn't know what to do after the Laura Palmer mystery was solved and it shows. Oh well, as you say, what's done is done.

 

[Seraphinianus]

it just goes to show how the indefinitely long serial format just doesn't work for some shows. Keeping a pre-written show going for ratings is hurtful to the art in service of the fans, many of whom will pick up on how bad it is, and may even ruin the show for them.

So they brought in an actress younger than Fenn

a very young Heather Graham! I was very surprised when she showed up.

 

[EliCash]

a very young Heather Graham! I was very surprised when she showed up.

Yea as was I, I hadn't heard anything about her being in it. I'm not sure why I didn't use her name in my post. I was also surprised at Billy Zane and David Duchovny turning up, especially the latter given the character he played.

And I had no idea Kiefer Sutherland was in Fire Walk With Me before watching it, and I was mindblown when I realised Agent Chester Desmond was played by Chris Isaak. Which I actually never realised during the film.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I need to watch Twin Peaks. I only saw the movie, and that was years ago.

 

[Seraphinianus]

Yea as was I, I hadn't heard anything about her being in it. I'm not sure why I didn't use her name in my post. I was also surprised at Billy Zane and David Duchovny turning up, especially the latter given the character he played.

And I had no idea Kiefer Sutherland was in Fire Walk With Me before watching it, and I was mindblown when I realised Agent Chester Desmond was played by Chris Isaak. Which I actually never realised during the film.

I forgot all about David Duchovny. I've actually forgotten who his character is. Don't remind me, I wanna be sort of surprised.

I'm glad I waited 5 years to rewatch this-- it's long enough so that a lot of stuff has an extra spin on it, now that I know the ending, but I've also forgotten a lot, so it's sort of new again.

 

[Red Blaster]

The 2nd best role Ray Wise was in?

Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2

I DONT GIVE A WOODEN NICKEL ABOUT YOUR LEGACY

 

[.JayZii]

Watched the first two episodes finally last night and I think I am now hooked. A lot of weird and creepy going on obviously, but it's working really well. I am just surprised that this was put onto American television and was actually popular.

 

[butter_stick]

I wouldn't deny Earle was a bit silly and over the top, but it's Twin Peaks. At least with him you had something moving the plots besides weird super powers and car repairs. He was a cool, memorable character.

His scenes with Leo were so good too. LEO THE LION!