So sad. If I remember correctly, everything seems to have calmed down and solved at this point when Cooper is hit with this.MiniDitka said:
20 Years LttP: Twin Peaks
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flyover said:
That scene freaked me out, too. I'd say it was the abruptness of which
Ray Wise goes from being the caring Leland Palmer to the psychopathic BOB (despite of the fact you could see it coming)
the animalistic nature of the attack itself
he stretches out his hands and runs after Maddy, the look of pure evil in his eyes sent shivers down my spine
A truly horrifying scene for all the right reasons.
op_ivy said:
I'll do it later on when I wake up. It's 4AM (!) here and I don't have any image editing software on my laptop.
Seraphinianus
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JaseC said:
i saw it as soon as he came on and let out a pretty loud "what the fuck!" lol
So can we talk about the plot and mysticism of the series/movie a little bit?
Do you guys consider Mike good or evil? In the series he said he repented and wanted nothing but to prevent Bob from doing evil. But in the movie, Mike is pissed over his stolen Garmonbozia, so he still apparently feeds on people's pain and suffering.
agrajag said:
It's a confusing one, the mythology of Twin Peaks in general is extremely vague and incomplete.
It's probably fair to say that what Mike told Coop wasn't entirely true, the only answer I can give is that he's certainly not as evil as Bob. Perhaps he's just an inhabiting spirit who by definition is evil given that he feeds on pain and suffering. He evidently wants to stop Bob and I guess his motives/reasons for wanting to stop Bob is what would determine whether he is partly good (or at least sympathetic) or purely evil.
Seraphinianus
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agrajag said:
He's almost a Golem-like character--an opportunist that's helpful when his interests align with the police, but for selfish reasons. He goes into the same crazy convulsions that other evil characters go through and he also attacks the cops at first. If there's any morally ambiguous character on the show, it's him. Otherwise, everything is pretty starkly good and evil, imo.
The thing is though, he had nothing to gain by lying to Coop. I'm really unsure about this one. I'll try to find a link for a TP forum I used to frequent that has a lot of interesting discussions about things like this.
One intriguing theory that's floating around is that Garmonbozia that was stolen from Mike is actually Mike's own pain and sorrow. Because Bob is said to feed on fear and pleasure, not pain and sorrow. Or something like that.
He DID cut off his arm, as it is revealed that TMFAP is the arm. So he told the truth about that part, at least.
One intriguing theory that's floating around is that Garmonbozia that was stolen from Mike is actually Mike's own pain and sorrow. Because Bob is said to feed on fear and pleasure, not pain and sorrow. Or something like that.
He DID cut off his arm, as it is revealed that TMFAP is the arm. So he told the truth about that part, at least.
Ah, here's the discussion group I was talking about:
http://www.2000revue.com/community/forum.cfm?forumid=2
Warning: you could get lost in there for hours, like I was.
http://www.2000revue.com/community/forum.cfm?forumid=2
Warning: you could get lost in there for hours, like I was.
butter_stick
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I just don't get it, I watched the entire series on Scy Fy and MY GOD did it make no sense at all, what was going on? Old fashioned music, weird dancing, nothing made sense and THEN at the end, you were left thinking, what was the point in all that? SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS TO ME!agrajag said:
Red Blaster
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I guess this would be the appropriate place to ask, but is Lynch working on anything new these days? Inland Empire was 5 years ago.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
"That guum yoou like iss going to come baaack in styyle!" haha.
The soundtrack CDs are amazing for this, I play em a lot and I actually like the second album more since it has different mixes and noisier stuff like blue frank. Incredible music.
The soundtrack CDs are amazing for this, I play em a lot and I actually like the second album more since it has different mixes and noisier stuff like blue frank. Incredible music.
Seraphinianus
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Juanadams said:
i wonder if he's done with movies
Smision said:
I certainly hope not, the only thing hes done film (digital) wise since Inland Empire has been a commercial last year for Dior which is pretty cool.
Part 1
Part 2
As much as I hope for him to do a new movie I can't say I'm not enjoying his other art in the meantime.
His work on Dark Night of the Soul with Dangermouse was awesome.
and his latest music is pretty cool(I like the video):
Good Day Today
RadioHeadAche
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BaronLundi said:
I know. Absolutely amazing. It's definitely my favorite episode of the series so far.
RadioHeadAche
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flyover said:
You can't blame her.
Bob
RadioHeadAche
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Without spoiling anything, what is it about the movie you enjoy so much? I intend to watch it after I finish Twin Peaks regardless of the mostly negative reception it gets.
Night_Trekker
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I have absolutely no problem understanding why critics panned FWwM, but despite its flaws, the film has a lot going for it. Fans of the show shouldn't pass it up after watching the show, but they should be prepared for a dark character study and not much of the whimsical spirit of the show.
That said, I don't think I'll ever watch it again unless it's with someone else. It's a hard film to watch (and not because I think it's a bad movie).
EDIT: ^ The film is very Lynchian and intense. It believably illustrates the character of Laura (Sheryl Lee is absolutely stunning in the role), explains a lot about what happened to her before she died and how she felt about her situation as she was sliding toward ruin. There are scenes of overpowering emotion that rank, in my opinion, among some of Lynch's strongest. (I will not attempt to describe any of them in words because they would contain spoilers and because they need to be seen, not summarized). The movie also deals with a few details that are referenced in the show but never seen.
The "problem" with the film is that almost all of the revelations to be found there are about Laura, and Laura was basically a MacGuffin in the show (well, she was much more than that really, but you see what I mean... her role existed primarily to drive the narrative of the show). Fans wanted to know what happened after the surprising ending of season 2, and instead they got a very disturbing, dark film about a character they already knew was dead.
Watch FWwM in the right frame of mind and enjoy the film for what it is instead of hating it for what it isn't. I still think it has a lot of problems as a film, but I am very glad I watched it with an open mind.
That said, I don't think I'll ever watch it again unless it's with someone else. It's a hard film to watch (and not because I think it's a bad movie).
EDIT: ^ The film is very Lynchian and intense. It believably illustrates the character of Laura (Sheryl Lee is absolutely stunning in the role), explains a lot about what happened to her before she died and how she felt about her situation as she was sliding toward ruin. There are scenes of overpowering emotion that rank, in my opinion, among some of Lynch's strongest. (I will not attempt to describe any of them in words because they would contain spoilers and because they need to be seen, not summarized). The movie also deals with a few details that are referenced in the show but never seen.
The "problem" with the film is that almost all of the revelations to be found there are about Laura, and Laura was basically a MacGuffin in the show (well, she was much more than that really, but you see what I mean... her role existed primarily to drive the narrative of the show). Fans wanted to know what happened after the surprising ending of season 2, and instead they got a very disturbing, dark film about a character they already knew was dead.
Watch FWwM in the right frame of mind and enjoy the film for what it is instead of hating it for what it isn't. I still think it has a lot of problems as a film, but I am very glad I watched it with an open mind.
RadioHeadAche
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I think I enjoy the dark, surreal, creepy Twin Peaks material more than the light-hearted stuff. Don't get me wrong, I do love the, as you say, whimsical spirit of the show, but the darker territory of the show is so good.
the mood and tension for one. it boils down what the best of TP has to offer. i enjoy the goofiness and comedy of the series, but the wind blowing through trees is what TP is all about for me.
small things like the blinking traffic light, the telephone pole, etc. the cameo's by Lynch, and Issac, and Bowie. the setpiece scenes. the way the story is told.
i think its a brilliant film. one of Lynch's best.
edit: you stole my answer!
edit2: both of you!
high five.
small things like the blinking traffic light, the telephone pole, etc. the cameo's by Lynch, and Issac, and Bowie. the setpiece scenes. the way the story is told.
i think its a brilliant film. one of Lynch's best.
edit: you stole my answer!
edit2: both of you!
high five.
RadioHeadAche
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David Bowie is in FWWM? Awesome!
I'm actually really interested in Laura Palmer. The sweet and beautiful girl on the outside with a really dark side that she masked is what fascinates me. It's what Twin Peaks really seems to be about (to me anyway). A nice rural town on the outside, but sinister and mysterious within where nothing is what it seems.
I'm actually really interested in Laura Palmer. The sweet and beautiful girl on the outside with a really dark side that she masked is what fascinates me. It's what Twin Peaks really seems to be about (to me anyway). A nice rural town on the outside, but sinister and mysterious within where nothing is what it seems.
RadioHeadAche
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That's why I asked someone to describe their feelings on it without venturing into spoiler territory. I was born a year before the series first aired and I never really paid attention to it until I read about and played Deadly Premonition. I've enjoyed the series through the first season, but became hooked after the episode "Lonely Souls".
You guys got me interested in this. I had heard of it before, but never really considered it. Finished the pilot just now. I loved it. The music was great, the shots of the scenery were beautiful. It seems to me that this show will develop many interesting characters (Cooper is already a badass). Sometimes it can be a bit corny clearly, but I liked that in the pilot.
Hopefully this show lives up to the hype. I guess you guys are saying mid season 2 is the weakest stretch?
Hopefully this show lives up to the hype. I guess you guys are saying mid season 2 is the weakest stretch?
RadioHeadAche
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If you think Cooper is a badass after the pilot, wait until you watch the rest.
Night_Trekker
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overcast said:
Yeah, from about the mid-point on it gets pretty bad in places. But stick with it and you will be rewarded.
BaronLundi
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All hail the new Twin Peaks converts !
You guys don't know how lucky you are to have the series readily available. I was a tad young to be interested when it first aired. And when I did become interested (late 90's) the thing was impossible to find, except on VHS with a shitty dub (I hate all things dubbed) or an even more shitty divX of a spanish screen capture.
One of my friends eventually got to watch the latter and he was so captivated by the series that I almost caved in.
I ended up only watching the pilot. It took only a couple of minutes to hook me but I wanted a proper dvd release.
And so I waited.
Eight years.
You guys don't know how lucky you are to have the series readily available. I was a tad young to be interested when it first aired. And when I did become interested (late 90's) the thing was impossible to find, except on VHS with a shitty dub (I hate all things dubbed) or an even more shitty divX of a spanish screen capture.
One of my friends eventually got to watch the latter and he was so captivated by the series that I almost caved in.
I ended up only watching the pilot. It took only a couple of minutes to hook me but I wanted a proper dvd release.
And so I waited.
Eight years.
i just read through the FWWM faq on twinpeaks.org. it was entertaining. a few interesting tidbits i was unaware of in there.
i havent seen the movie in over a year or two at this point. i cant wait to see it again. kinda want to wait until i rewatch the series though.
at first i thought you were just questioning my love for the movie and calling me out on it. now i see how you intended it.
i havent seen the movie in over a year or two at this point. i cant wait to see it again. kinda want to wait until i rewatch the series though.
RadioHeadAche said:
at first i thought you were just questioning my love for the movie and calling me out on it. now i see how you intended it.
Daigoro said:have you been watching with subs, or just in english? just curious.
also, good luck. hope you arent too dissapointed.
English. As an Australian who's only studied foreign language is Indonesian as it was a required class in my junior years of high school, I don't understand more than a few words of French. Even if I wanted to watch the show/film in French it wouldn't be very practical.
I'm importing the BD from France as it's the only place in the world where it got a release on the format. It contains the English audio and subtitles (something I made absolutely sure of), plus Europe and Australia are both Region B so it should play just fine on the PS3 or standalone player. (I think I said pretty much the same thing a page or two ago.
)I've only seen around half of his films, but I consider myself a fan. I got my hands on Inland Empire recently (noticed it mentioned in this thread), but since it's 3hrs long it's hard to find the time to watch it in one sitting.
One of my mates is also a fan of Lynch. I told him to get his hands on Twin Peaks the other day and will be interrogating him on the weekend.
i see. i was mistakenly thinking that you were Freench speaking and might have watched it with French subs. my mistake. just interested in how you viewed the series.
Region B, lucky you. mustve missed that.
yeah Inland Empire. thats a tough nut to crack. as a big fan of Lynch's work i will admit that its a tough watch the first time through. i need to give it a few more viewings to really make an opinion though.
but since your a fan already, i can see you liking FWWM. wasnt sure if you were just a fan of the series as opposed to a fan of his.
enjoy.
Region B, lucky you. mustve missed that.
yeah Inland Empire. thats a tough nut to crack. as a big fan of Lynch's work i will admit that its a tough watch the first time through. i need to give it a few more viewings to really make an opinion though.
but since your a fan already, i can see you liking FWWM. wasnt sure if you were just a fan of the series as opposed to a fan of his.
enjoy.
Eaten By A Grue
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One more episode left to watch. I do not want the experience to end :-(
JaseC said:
The "Let's Rock!" part doesn't lend itself particularly well to an avatar when the Man from Another Place is cropped out and downsized to 90x120 (although if the video quality was better it might be fine), and the dancing part has far too many frames to fit within the 160KB avatar size limit.
Plus, I had to reinstall Windows and now I can't remember what I did in Fireworks to get around the 256-colour limitation of GIFs.
Sorry. Generally, I am a man of my word!Daigoro said:
No worries.
I was surprised that Europe was lumped together with Aus and NZ. I figured we'd get the short end of the stick and be lumped with the entirety of Asia or something.
Yeah, it seems that way. I think the person who mentioned it in this thread said he was still putting his mind back together.
I hope I like it. The last thing I'd want is for the film to sour me on the show.
RadioHeadAche said:
It sounds to me like you'll enjoy the film.
I personally love fwwm, but I can somewhat understand why some fans don't (the argument that Laura Palmer is a more interesting character dead rather than alive is one you can understand even if you don't necessarily agree)
It really comes down to what you're looking for going into Fire Walk With Me. I just saw it as a welcome return to Twin Peaks more than anything else. There isn't really anything in the film to be disappointed by. The only thing that Twin Peaks fans should be disappointed by is how the heart of the show was ripped out when the killer was revealed. All Lynch did with Fire Walk With Me was return to Twin Peaks and expose the heart of the show completely - which is fair enough considering there wasn't much left to the imagination regarding Laura Palmer's death anymore anyway.
agrajag said:
Yea I've been on there before, some interesting stuff but like I said the mythology of TP is vague and incomplete so I just tend to stand back and let it all be, rather than take a LOST approach to it. I do like reading some theories though.
Night_Trekker
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JaseC said:
Do not watch this film until you've seen everything else Lynch has directed. Seriously. In many ways, Inland Empire is a film Lynch had been building to throughout his entire career up until that point.
butter_stick
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I watched about an hour and a half of Inland Empire and stopped. I had no idea what was going on.
I liked Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway and Blue Velvet a lot, but truely insane Lynch is too much for me.
I liked Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway and Blue Velvet a lot, but truely insane Lynch is too much for me.
Seraphinianus
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Inland Empire and Eraserhead = david lynch hard mode
brilliant, but difficult stuff
brilliant, but difficult stuff
Night_Trekker
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butter_stick said:
You basically have to accept that he knows what he's doing and watch without judgment. Eventually it all comes together, emotionally if not rationally.
Smision said:
I think Eraserhead is a far more approachable and understandable film than Inland Empire. There were times during IE that I wanted to turn the film off out of frustration, but I am glad I didn't.
tycoonheart
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Smision said:
Eraserhead is leagues better and easier to grasp than Inland Empire.
Inland Empire was David Lynch jerking himself on film. What a clusterfuck. There is such a thing as too Lynchian, and that movie was it. He needs to tone it down a little and I don't like the path he is taking with his movies. Even Mulhulland Drive had parts that I found a bit too much Lynchian for my liking, but overall enjoyed the movie. I don't know what the fuck Inland Empire was.
Doing my second watch through of the series now. Convinced my GF to come along for the ride hehe.
One thing I noticed....
One thing I noticed....
Dr. Jachovi "fingering" the hula dancer on his tie as he tells Truman and Coop that he was Laura's psych but her family didn't know. Haha
Also...
why does Donna's sister tell her Dad right away that Donna snuck out after she promises to cover for her?
Also...
why does Donna's sister tell her Dad right away that Donna snuck out after she promises to cover for her?
AND OH.
The scene towards the end of the pilot where James and Donna are talking in the woods. OMG so good. It's like 3 minutes straight of just two shots (a shot/reverse shot dialouge scene). That could easily be boring, but it's so engaging. The shots are almost impressionistic in a way, it almost looks fake or soemthing, but it's really just the lighting and low depth of field used.
The scene towards the end of the pilot where James and Donna are talking in the woods. OMG so good. It's like 3 minutes straight of just two shots (a shot/reverse shot dialouge scene). That could easily be boring, but it's so engaging. The shots are almost impressionistic in a way, it almost looks fake or soemthing, but it's really just the lighting and low depth of field used.
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