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[DY_nasty]

NBA-Age is weird sometime. It's funny when some people like yourself think Reggie Miller was on some thuggery shit, somebody thinks Lebron is better than Magic Johnson, while at the same time others try to make Bron look like some sorry ass player that runs over people every play and would suck if it wasn't for those pesky refs.

I've played and watched basketball for 20 years. And I'll say we all know basketball in this thread. And if we were all in a bar or BW3s together we'd agree to disagree on many things and still respect each others arguments.

But because it's NBA-GAF and we are all anonymous people say stuff like "you know nothing about basketball derp derp derp."

Where does anyone say that Lebron is a bad player?

Just because we don't deepthroat the dude, it doesn't mean that we're hating. Dude's got flaws in his game, obvious ones that have and will continue to keep him away from a ring. If you want to pretend he's god's gift to basketball, go right ahead.

 

[DY_nasty]

You think LeBron taking more 3s than 'Nique is a good thing, even though they both shot in the low 30s. I have no idea how to even approach that argument. It's so diametrically opposed to everything I know about basketball that I don't think we're even discussing the same thing anymore.

Every time LeBron starts shooting 3s, his opponents smile because it means he's wasting possessions (missing 67% of the time, and offensive rebounds are harder to get on long shots), not driving to the hole, not picking up fouls, not tiring the defense, and not involving his teammates.

no no no, thats what makes him a better scorer than some of the best ever.

 

[Branduil]

Ok best pure scorer in the game right now? Who? Go!

Right now? Well I'm a fanboy but I don't see anyone else scoring as much as Dirk is with the same efficiency. Look at the top 20 scorers and the only guy shooting a higher percentage is Dwight and most of his attempts are right next to the basket. Shooting 55% on jumpers as the first option is ridiculous.

 

[mckmas8808]

In 1982 (the year Wilkins entered the league), teams averaged 2.8 three point attempts per game. By 1993, when Wilkins was 34, teams still averaged under 10 three point attempts per game.
Last year, Lebron averaged over 5 three point attempts per game by himself.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

You already said that already. The league has changed we know. The point still stands that he's made more while playing less. That fact won't change.

Sorry about that. Too much dumbassery and lttp homerism posts have thrown me off a bit.
And normally, Lebron is as much of a HoF candidate as McGrady - but knowing Stern, he'll be inducted in April right before he gets sent home again.

And Lebron is WAY better than McGrady ever was. The fact that you would even compare McGrady to Lebron is laughable to me.

 

[DY_nasty]

And Lebron is WAY better than McGrady ever was. The fact that you would even compare McGrady to Lebron is laughable to me.

Humor me. How is Lebron, at any point in his career, a better scorer than McGrady in Orlando?

 

[numble]

You already said that already. The league has changed we know. The point still stands that he's made more while playing less. That fact won't change.

It's a stupid argument. It's like saying LeBron is a better free throw shooter than Marc Gasol because LeBron takes 2x more free throw attempts.

And you were the one arguing that LeBron would change his game to adjust to hand-checking. Don't you think Wilkins would've taken more 3s in today's game?

 

[mckmas8808]

Ok best pure scorer in the game right now? Who? Go!

Ahh......off the top of my head I'd probably go with......shit. Good question. Top 3 would probably be Kobe, Durant, and probably Dirk (in no order).

You think LeBron taking more 3s than 'Nique is a good thing, even though they both shot in the low 30s. I have no idea how to even approach that argument. It's so diametrically opposed to everything I know about basketball that I don't think we're even discussing the same thing anymore.

Every time LeBron starts shooting 3s, his opponents smile because it means he's wasting possessions (missing 67% of the time, and offensive rebounds are harder to get on long shots), not driving to the hole, not picking up fouls, not tiring the defense, and not involving his teammates.

He's shooting 37% now. And 33% isn't horrible. To me it's on the border. It's like when someone shoots the three and people are like "don't shoot" and then when they make it that same person goes "okay good shot".

 

[Gigglepoo]

He's shooting 37% now. And 33% isn't horrible. To me it's on the border. It's like when someone shoots the three and people are like "don't shoot" and then when they make it that same person goes "okay good shot".

That doesn't address my points. Why do you disagree that LeBron shooting 3s is a bad thing? I spelled out why it hurt his team now pretend we're in a bar and tell me why it's alright to waste possessions and ignore teammates so you can chuck the long ball.

Remember, he misses most of his shots and is a lot more effective when he's driving/dishing or just picking up fouls. But tell me why settling for 3s is good.

 

[mckmas8808]

Humor me. How is Lebron, at any point in his career, a better scorer than McGrady in Orlando?

You were talking about HoF, not pure scoring. And Lebron's all around game kills T-Macs. 9 out of 10 NBA heads would agree to that. T-Macs defense was non-existent.

 

[mckmas8808]

That doesn't address my points. Why do you disagree that LeBron shooting 3s is a bad thing? I spelled out why it hurt his team now pretend we're in a bar and tell me why it's alright to waste possessions and ignore teammates so you can chuck the long ball.

Remember, he misses most of his shots and is a lot more effective when he's driving/dishing or just picking up fouls. But tell me why settling for 3s is good.

Settling for 3s are terrible. I get pissed when Lebron settles for 3s. But there are times when the defense gives it to him and he knocks it down. It's one of the reasons why his 3 point shooting is at a career high in a season so far.

And damn near every body misses most of their 3 point shots. 99% of the league shoots under 50% from 3. And also him making 37% of this 3 point shots this year only makes defenders respect that part of the game more, meaning that they can't stay in the paint waiting for him all night.

 

[DY_nasty]

You were talking about HoF, not pure scoring. And Lebron's all around game kills T-Macs. 9 out of 10 NBA heads would agree to that. T-Macs defense was non-existent.

Depends on what is a bigger hangup to HoF voters, not getting out of the first round? Or giving up on your team?

And defense... Wasn't it Lebron would couldn't guard Shard and Hedo then tried to hide by guarding Rafer and still got shitted on? How ever could I forget? :/

Their skillsets weren't all the much different. LBJ was a better passer. Sure. Everything else, McGrady did better. Not to mention Lebron was surrounded by shooters, a GM that only brought in BFFs while Orlando's management somehow shipped all of McGrady's talent away, and a coach that would kiss his ass.

 

[pilonv1]

The last few pages make me miss the Bosh essays

 

[pilonv1]

 

[The Chosen One]

Their skillsets weren't all the much different. LBJ was a better passer. Sure. Everything else, McGrady did better. Not to mention Lebron was surrounded by shooters, a GM that only brought in BFFs while Orlando's management somehow shipped all of McGrady's talent away, and a coach that would kiss his ass.

People forget how good T-Mac used to be because his prime years were wasted on poorly mismanaged teams that never made it out of the first round. But around '03-04 most basketball heads thought T-Mac would be the lead dog for the rest of the decade instead of Kobe.

T-Mac was basically stuck in a "Kobe/Smush/Kwame" situation in his prime years. Kobe couldn't get out of the first round either with those scrubs. Difference is, Kobe finally got help and his body held up longer. Whereas when T-Mac finally got good players around him his body broke down, so now he's just another busted has-been that people unfairly mock.

Plus T-Mac actually gave a shit when he lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUvGIYJeurg

 

[ph33nix]

Another night, another giant Heat debate. <3 you guys

but I will have to say, LeBron does NOT have a post game. The only post game he has is because he overpowers so many so it looks like he's doing more than he really is.

lebron has incredible strides and a strong lower base but his delicate footwork is pretty poor but I think now that he's with us our team will actually work with him over off-seasons and stuff. wade's footwork and handles down there has gotten better each year

I said it before he joined us and I will say it again after he has joined us:

WADE>>>LBJ

Whereas when T-Mac finally got good players around him his body broke down, so now he's just another busted has-been that people unfairly mock.

People mock him because I personally see him in the delusional category as Allen Iverson in my opinion...

and in addition my homer side is going to hate him for stupid shit like this too

“Keep booing me I love it, it really doesn’t bother me at all… It’s not like I was like Chris Bosh and selling out the city like the city was horrible or something, making crazy statements about the city. It Toronto or going back home to Orlando. That was pretty much it. There’s a lot of people out there who don’t know why they’re booing (me).”

Really? Chris sold out Toronto and said the city was horrible?
He made it pretty obvious he was getting out, but I never heard him say anything bad about Toronto itself.

 

[Blackace]

Another night, another giant Heat debate. <3 you guys

but I will have to say, LeBron does NOT have a post game. The only post game he has is because he overpowers so many so it looks like he's doing more than he really is.

lebron has incredible strides and a strong lower base but his delicate footwork is pretty poor but I think now that he's with us our team will actually work with him over off-seasons and stuff. wade's footwork and handles down there has gotten better each year

I said it before he joined us and I will say it again after he has joined us:

WADE>>>LBJ

I think he will be a HoFer when it is all said and done... But it saddens me to see a true once and lifetime player not truly doing all he can do to be the best.. Kind of like Shaq and his ft shooting.

With LBJs body and ability he should be able to do anything amazingly. Magic Johnson took that mindset...and I would love it if LBJ did as well...

 

[thekad]

NBAGAF can't quit Lebron.

 

[ph33nix]

I think he will be a HoFer when it is all said and done... But it saddens me to see a true once and lifetime player not truly doing all he can do to be the best.. Kind of like Shaq and his ft shooting.

With LBJs body and ability he should be able to do anything amazingly. Magic Johnson took that mindset...and I would love it if LBJ did as well...

well the thing I don't know is how much he really works on his game or tries. It's pretty obvious he doesn't have the worker bee mentality of a guy like Durant but I don't think he solely relies on his physical gifts the way a lot of people think. you can't have the overall skill he has without working your ass off

I don't know about you but I think his jumper HAS improved this year. I do know our coaching staff/spoelstra (lol) worked with him on that this summer. and beasley had horrible footwork his first year that improved tremendously in his second year (which isn't saying much) so I have faith that there are elements in his game that we'll make better. was it because his guidance in cleveland wasn't good or is it because he's wasting potential? i don't know, but we'll all find out in the next few seasons.

i also wish lebron would fucking cut more like wade---when other people are creating wade has been trying to find places to catch and finish easier. lebron just camps at the 3 pt line...he's been hitting the open shot nicely but i'd rather see him still trying to dunk it over everyone


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/28/1990991/heat-lakers-draws-better-local.html

For the first time in memory, a Heat game drew a larger local audience than a Dolphins game during the same weekend.
Saturday's Heat-Lakers game was seen in 15.1 percent of Miami-Fort Lauderdale homes with TV sets, compared with 14.1 for Dolphins-Lions, according to WPLG's research department. In fairness, the Heat game was one of the most anticipated of the season, and the Dolphins already had been eliminated from playoff contention.
Nationally, the Heat-Lakers game was watched in 6.4 percent of U.S. homes, according to preliminary ratings. That was ABC's highest regular-season NBA rating since the Heat-Lakers Christmas 2004 game generated a 7.3. That was Shaquille O'Neal's first game against his former team.

The bangwagon is shifting!!
*bandwagon. The first misspell was too good though

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Kid: "Why do you turn down so many open threes, Gordon?"
Hayward: "'Cause they don't make no fours!"


Shoot the freaking ball you idiot.

 

[TylerD]

That was such a disappointing loss for the Thunder last night with a major opportunity wasted but I had the best seats of the season. My roommate gave our Thunder account rep a box of chocolates for Christmas before the game and we got upgraded to first row about 15 feet diagonally from the Mavs bench just off the court.

It is frustrating to see Westbrook revert back to the out of control layup attempts that he missed so many times last year and has started to again over the past several games. He needs to be more in control and should look to kick the ball outside more often. The zone the Mavs went to in the 4th completely boned us.

A guard driving into the paint and passing out to the perimeter is extremely effective since we like to collapse all 5 guys into the middle.

I like our guys but it would be nice to see them play mad every now and then. We got out played and out meaned by the Mavs in the 4th quarter and now the Mavs are 11-1 on the road. Brandy, your team is good and the Thunder have a long way to go.

 

[mckmas8808]

Kid: "Why do you turn down so many open threes, Gordon?"
Hayward: "'Cause they don't make no fours!"


Shoot the freaking ball you idiot.

:lol

 

[K.Jack]

NBA-Age is weird sometime. It's funny when some people like yourself think Reggie Miller was on some thuggery shit, somebody thinks Lebron is better than Magic Johnson, while at the same time others try to make Bron look like some sorry ass player that runs over people every play and would suck if it wasn't for those pesky refs.

I've played and watched basketball for 20 years. And I'll say we all know basketball in this thread. And if we were all in a bar or BW3s together we'd agree to disagree on many things and still respect each others arguments.

But because it's NBA-GAF and we are all anonymous people say stuff like "you know nothing about basketball derp derp derp."

Are you going to do anything in this thread, other than whine about how people treat LeBron? At least talk a little bit of basketball, sometime.

It's fucking annoying. Play your violin in Lurk Mode.

I'm sick of this thread being taken over by the LBJ Defense Force.

 

[ph33nix]

Are you going to do anything in this thread, other than whine about how people treat LeBron? At least talk a little bit of basketball, sometime.

It's fucking annoying. Play your violin in Lurk Mode.

I'm sick of this thread being taken over by the LBJ Defense Force.

LBJ Defense Force whines about a thread that loves to whine about LeBron at any chance. Oh what do we do...

 

[TheFatOne]

Right now? Well I'm a fanboy but I don't see anyone else scoring as much as Dirk is with the same efficiency. Look at the top 20 scorers and the only guy shooting a higher percentage is Dwight and most of his attempts are right next to the basket. Shooting 55% on jumpers as the first option is ridiculous.

Not enough game in the post for me. Best pure scorer is too vague a term. We would have to come up with a definition of pure scorer before we could pick a guy.

 

[mckmas8808]

Are you going to do anything in this thread, other than whine about how people treat LeBron? At least talk a little bit of basketball, sometime.

It's fucking annoying. Play your violin in Lurk Mode.

I'm sick of this thread being taken over by the LBJ Defense Force.

My man's response is perfect below. Many people keep hating on the guy too.

But in other news did the Clippers win yesterday or did the Kings just find a way to lose again? I watched the end and was dumbfounded on just how bad a decision makers Tyreke Evans can be sometimes. Does he do this often?

 

[DY_nasty]

ph33nix acting like he's never had words about Lebron before. What a difference a jersey makes....

But seriously, most of your goons don't do shit else but ride his nuts non-stop. It'd be different if they ever had anything else to say. Hell, even Gondo branched out. Thats my only issue.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Tyreke Evans apparently going in for season ending surgery on his foot soon and there's rumors that Cousins will be sent to the D-League soon as well. I want to say that the Kings will improve once these cancers are removed, but like everyone on the team is a cancer to the point where Cousins is the most intelligent and least selfish player on the roster arguably. Time to put your bets down on the Kings breaking the loss record while these are still rumors!


http://twitter.com/#!/samickAOL/status/19638536307212289

 

[ph33nix]

ph33nix acting like he's never had words about Lebron before. What a difference a jersey makes....

But seriously, most of your goons don't do shit else but ride his nuts non-stop. It'd be different if they ever had anything else to say. Hell, even Gondo branched out. Thats my only issue.

All I do is say my honest opinion about him. When I support him I get the LBJ defense force slapped on me. When I don't support him and criticize him you guys think I'm trying to kiss ass. Pick one :lol

Tyreke Evans apparently going in for season ending surgery on his foot soon and there's rumors that Cousins will be sent to the D-League soon as well. I want to say that the Kings will improve once these cancers are removed, but like everyone on the team is a cancer to the point where Cousins is the most intelligent and least selfish player on the roster arguably. Time to put your bets down on the Kings breaking the loss record while these are still rumors!


http://twitter.com/#!/samickAOL/status/19638536307212289

Holy shit. So who will they be taking with the #4 pick next year?

 

[mckmas8808]

Not enough game in the post for me. Best pure scorer is too vague a term. We would have to come up with a definition of pure scorer before we could pick a guy.

My definition of a pure scorer would be the following...

1. Someone that can create their own shot.

2. Someone that makes shots from anywhere on the court. They can find a way to get in the paint at times, they can hit the mid-range jumper, or they can hit a wide open deep jumper.

3. Someone the team can go to in desperate times and get him the ball. A person that doesn't disappear when the game is tied with under 5 minutes to go in the game. Mid 2000s Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller fit this description best imo.

4. Someone that can get to the FT line if necessary.

5. Someone who's scoring ability is so good that they can't really be stopped, but just contained or just have one of those rare off nights.

 

[DY_nasty]

All I do is say my honest opinion about him. When I support him I get the LBJ defense force slapped on me. When I don't support him and criticize him you guys think I'm trying to kiss ass. Pick one :lol

'Everyone' isn't chars

I thought we were bros

 

[ph33nix]

'Everyone' isn't chars

I thought we were bros

i don't know who that is

 

[Rodeo Clown]

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Holy shit. So who will they be taking with the #4 pick next year?

Wolves, like always.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I go to bed, mckmas8808 is bringing absolutely nothing of value to the thread.

I wake up and mckmas8808 is still bringing absolutely nothing to the thread.

"But fellas, I've been watching and playing basketball for 20 years and I can tell you--LeBron gets called for charges ALL DE TIMES!!!"

:|

 

[ph33nix]

I go to bed, mckmas8808 is bringing absolutely nothing of value to the thread.

I wake up and mckmas8808 is still bringing absolutely nothing to the thread.

"But fellas, I've been watching and playing basketball for 20 years and I can tell you--LeBron gets called for charges ALL DE TIMES!!!"

:|

 

[Future PhaZe]

LeBron can win a chip with his current skill level. He's getting more comfortable playing off the ball, stepping with confidence into his jumpshot and his shooting a career high from the 3 this season.

The fact that he can't do EVERYTHING on the basketball court isn't a logical argument against him being able to win a chip with his skillset.

It is just going to come down to team depth. I think Chalmers should be given the green light to take more shots and get more confidence out there so he can roll out with Mike and James off the bench. The Haslem loss was staggering...but if he isn't back just before the playoffs I would be surprised. Too much heart.

It's never been an issue with Bron how he is playing basketball. What it comes down to is the type of competition he's up against in relation to his own team. I've said it for 3 years now, and it's even more true today: The Celtics are just a near impossible team to beat in a 7 game series. They don't have "hybrid" guys at any positions. Their starting five are the epitome of the position. A truly pass first point guard that can penetrate, defend and average 10+apg. A shooting guard that could give a shit less about iso basketball (but can) , forces the opposing star guard to play D and hits shots from anywhere on the court with catch and shoot. A 3 guard that can spot up, iso, get to the foul line, unselfish. 4 Guard that plays monster D, knocks down anything in front of the 3pt line and can post up. 5 guard that can literally back down anybody in America, rebound a bit...true C.

Then you talk about all that depth. The MWO won't be able to overcome it. I was surprised as hell when the Lakers won that series last year. Perk probably had a lot to do with it, also the fact that Pau sacrificed his nuts (had them ripped off after game 7 before being jacked with HGH/roids/etc) helped.

Bron has just gone up against some monster teams. It's why he is in Miami now. Will it be enough against a healthy C's squad? Probably not. And without homecourt? Death sentence.

I like the Heat a lot more than I did a few weeks ago though.

 

[Adam Blade]

I like this picture, mostly.

 

[ph33nix]

LeBron can win a chip with his current skill level. He's getting more comfortable playing off the ball, stepping with confidence into his jumpshot and his shooting a career high from the 3 this season.

The fact that he can't do EVERYTHING on the basketball court isn't a logical argument against him being able to win a chip with his skillset.

It is just going to come down to team depth. I think Chalmers should be given the green light to take more shots and get more confidence out there so he can roll out with Mike and James off the bench. The Haslem loss was staggering...but if he isn't back just before the playoffs I would be surprised. Too much heart.

It's never been an issue with Bron how he is playing basketball. What it comes down to is the type of competition he's up against in relation to his own team. I've said it for 3 years now, and it's even more true today: The Celtics are just a near impossible team to beat in a 7 game series. They don't have "hybrid" guys at any positions. Their starting five are the epitome of the position. A truly pass first point guard that can penetrate, defend and average 10+apg. A shooting guard that could give a shit less about iso basketball (but can) , forces the opposing star guard to play D and hits shots from anywhere on the court with catch and shoot. A 3 guard that can spot up, iso, get to the foul line, unselfish. 4 Guard that plays monster D, knocks down anything in front of the 3pt line and can post up. 5 guard that can literally back down anybody in America, rebound a bit...true C.

Then you talk about all that depth. The MWO won't be able to overcome it. I was surprised as hell when the Lakers won that series last year. Perk probably had a lot to do with it, also the fact that Pau sacrificed his nuts (had them ripped off after game 7 before being jacked with HGH/roids/etc) helped.

Bron has just gone up against some monster teams. It's why he is in Miami now. Will it be enough against a healthy C's squad? Probably not. And without homecourt? Death sentence.

I like the Heat a lot more than I did a few weeks ago though.

Power Forwards and Centers are called 4 guards and 5 guards now?

 

[numble]

Dirk Nowitzki is a great 4 guard.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Jazz's Sloan said that he thinks Hayward deserves to play. Strong rebounding, aggressive and good defense.

No, he doesn't deserve to play and he doesn't play good defense. He has a negative BBIQ on defense and doubles on guys who aren't creating penetration.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

No, he doesn't deserve to play and he doesn't play good defense. He has a negative BBIQ on defense and doubles on guys who aren't creating penetration.

With AK hurt and CJ not defending anybody last night, he definitely deserved the time more than CJ did. I really hope AK doesn't miss any time.

 

[reilo]

LMA got called more than LBJ for offensive fouls which is funny as hell

Holy shit no kidding :lol

That's mostly because he drew like 18 offensive fouls whenever he played Corey Magette's bitch flopping titty ass. Hate that dude.

 

[ph33nix]

Holy shit no kidding :lol

That's mostly because he drew like 18 offensive fouls whenever he played Corey Magette's bitch flopping titty ass. Hate that dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

 

[mckmas8808]

I go to bed, mckmas8808 is bringing absolutely nothing of value to the thread.

I wake up and mckmas8808 is still bringing absolutely nothing to the thread.

"But fellas, I've been watching and playing basketball for 20 years and I can tell you--LeBron gets called for charges ALL DE TIMES!!!"

:|

This is getting worrisome now. You really need to stop stalking me.

 

[reilo]

I don't know about you but I think his jumper HAS improved this year.

And yet he's shooting 28% from 10-15 feet and 41% from 16-23 feet...

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Lebron James

And hey, look! He's averaging a career low in three-point attempts and shooting a career high in makes?? He's also assisted on damn near 70% of his three-point makes?? Who would have thought!

EDIT: Well, not career high, but in the years they've tracked data.

 

[ph33nix]

And yet he's shooting 28% from 10-15 feet and 41% from 16-23 feet...

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Lebron James

And hey, look! He's averaging a career low in three-point attempts and shooting a career high in makes?? He's also assisted on damn near 70% of his three-point makes?? Who would have thought!

EDIT: Well, not career high, but in the years they've tracked data.

i don't give a fuck about stats. i care more about what i see in person, i'm talking about his actual mechanics and shit

things have a tendency to even themselves out to where they should be as long as the approach is consistent

but don't get me wrong. jumper is still not a forte in his game and i cringe when he takes tough shots. he makes them in MSG...but not in the playoffs against boston.

 

[giga]

This is getting worrisome now. You really need to stop stalking me.

Or else?

 

[Adam Blade]

For me, the Knicks haven't been good in my reign since I played basketball, so I wouldn't know.

Really? Really!?

 

[ph33nix]

This is getting worrisome now. You really need to stop stalking me.

That's Ryutaro's Mama.

That's who he is.

That's what he does.

Stalk Heat fans.

 

[reilo]

i don't give a fuck about stats. i care more about what i see in person, i'm talking about his actual mechanics and shit

things have a tendency to even themselves out to where they should be as long as the approach is consistent

but don't get me wrong. jumper is still not a forte in his game and i cringe when he takes tough shots. he makes them in MSG...but not in the playoffs against boston.

So, his mechanics look "better" but he's missing more mid-range shots than ever in the past five seasons. Obviously that means he's improved!