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Part two of my previous post, covers everything else (except for scy's reply to that post).
That or it actually is something about dimensional whatevers, but that I do kind of doubt.
Other than that what you say makes sense, as I've said.
I would complain more about the Testament thing, and why in the world they're recreating history from before civilization in order to make one project turn out differently. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
Yeah, they're a copy that floats (or floated?) in the sky, that seems to be the idea they're hinting at to me as well, anyway.scy said:Yeah, they're a copy of Japan but ... what form does it take? Though, to be honest, I'm just not caring anymore on what the Harmonic Divine States were (since ... that land is gone now) beyond it being a copy of the Far East/Japan. The what of it is less important than the why of it, it seems.
That or it actually is something about dimensional whatevers, but that I do kind of doubt.
Basically, almost everyone left the Divine States for the copy, the Harmonic Divine States; not everyone left, however. "Eventually", the people who left for the Harmonic Divine States returned to the Divine States and conquered it, splitting the Far East among themselves (to refer back to that map you linked, it's why each piece is sectioned to various countries like that).Those who were conquered are those that reside on the Musashi (and maybe have some minor territory on the ground? Dunno on that one).
That part I'm pretty much certain on being the case.
You mean people left Tenjou, not the Divine States... unless you're talking right after the collapse of Tenjou, in which case I guess a lot of people may have left the Divine States for the Harmonic Divine States. That statement does sound a bit odd though.
Maybe they'll expand on it later, but my understanding is both time periods are relevant somehow. Then again, the conversation mid-way through the episode has the kid with the computer(?) reference it's been 160 years since they were taken over. Forgot he blatantly states that :/
I guess they've just been stuck in the Sengoku Era ... still ... for some reason.Probably has something to do with the Far East's representative being limited to an idiot since the invasion so they haven't been able to progress their History Reenactment. Or something like that.
Or just because they love that time period and need to shoehorn using it into this story somehow.
I think there was a clear timeskip as well. They were conquered in 1457, and it is now 1648 and the Harmonic Divine States have been oppressing the Divine States people for about 90 years now.
Maybe there is some element of multiple timelines -- that odd "Thirty Years War and Sengoku" statement does suggest it -- but the two places being in different times at the same time, if that makes sense? I'm not sure if we can say that. Perhaps, perhaps not, and we'll have to see if the anime mentions it I guess?
Maybe there is some element of multiple timelines -- that odd "Thirty Years War and Sengoku" statement does suggest it -- but the two places being in different times at the same time, if that makes sense? I'm not sure if we can say that. Perhaps, perhaps not, and we'll have to see if the anime mentions it I guess?
Heh, it would be kind of amusing if the reason the history has gone wrong again is because of something stupid like that...Maybe they'll expand on it later, but my understanding is both time periods are relevant somehow. Then again, the conversation mid-way through the episode has the kid with the computer(?) reference it's been 160 years since they were taken over. Forgot he blatantly states that :/
I guess they've just been stuck in the Sengoku Era ... still ... for some reason.Probably has something to do with the Far East's representative being limited to an idiot since the invasion so they haven't been able to progress their History Reenactment. Or something like that.
Or just because they love that time period and need to shoehorn using it into this story somehow.
It is true that we haven't actually seen them yet, yes.Geneijin said:Eh, I disagree we're told this. We assume most likely this is the case based on the evidence, which it probably is, but we're never told who the occupants of the Harmonic Divine States were exactly (yet).
My guess is that it's just land and just people. Clones can be entertaining though, so as far as the show goes I don't care either way.Well, based on the synopsis, the Harmonic Divine States took the form of a "pocket dimension," and it coincides with what form I thought it could possibly take when the Divine States got duplicated and where it could be placed. So a dimension which can house a copy of the Divine States.
What, you wouldn't want to leave the planet after the environment had apparently gotten so bad most of the planet was uninhabitable?And I disagree what it is is any less important since we're getting weird translations of Tenjou being "outer space," and if that's true, the story is even worse than I'm understanding it to be.
I would complain more about the Testament thing, and why in the world they're recreating history from before civilization in order to make one project turn out differently. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
In terms of factions and stuff, sure, if it happens just like in history.Yeah, he blatantly states that. And yes, the time periods are relevant because if you understand how the story works, you'll know how those time periods are spoilers themselves because of what entails within those time periods :lol
True.So far it's just a complicated mess to justify all this "cool" shit in this time period pretty much.
Novel spoilers? Doesn't the beginning of the anime essentially say this, combined with the part where they talk about the government?Also, the History Reenactment was been in progress since the invasion. The Testament Union has been dictating as much ever supposedly since 1457 if we're using novel spoilers.
Yeah, agreed.scy said:Ah, I see what you're getting at here. Yeah, I guess it is presumptuous to say who exactly went into the HDS. Just felt like it went the direction that whomever went is also the same group that conquered the land after its fall.
It seems more of a sci-fi show than magic/religious, though...lol, true, though I'm more feeling Tenjou's definition as Heaven (some of the translations use it as "Reached Heaven as Gods" for what Tenjou was) rather than Space. If we're doing space than, well ... damn you, Horizon, damn you.
Yeah, just not sure if there's an explanation for why Sengoku Era is still worth mention at all if they've gone past that some 100 years. That's all I'm puzzled on the inclusion of it, really; seems like if they're at 1648 then they should have left that Era quite some time ago (1460s - 1570s, isn't it?).
Like you say, though, first episode. Maybe it'll make more sense when stuff occurs rather than just showing off the colorful cast of characters doing what they do. Thinking about it so much has actually made me look forward to the following episodes though.
Edit: Just to clarify, I understand why the period itself is relevant to the plot itself, just wondering how it remains relevant with the years we're presented. That's where I'm getting confused over it :/
And to talk about something besides Horizon, C^3 is sounding interesting based off all these posts :/ Great, now I'll have to watch this...
Why is the Sengoku still there in 1648? I don't know, maybe because there was nothing, then there was Sengoku, then there was the Bakumatsu, and then modern Japan, right? I mean, that's the Japanese "history" you usually see in anime and games, anyway...
Apart from that, the only other explanation is about Geneijin's "factions to hint at the outcome" suggestion, which could be it, but seriously, if they're setting it in 1648 the Sengoku should NOT still be relevant, you are quite right. History would have had to go extremely, extremely wrong for that to still somehow be going on then, long before this 1648 breakdown.
Apart from that, the only other explanation is about Geneijin's "factions to hint at the outcome" suggestion, which could be it, but seriously, if they're setting it in 1648 the Sengoku should NOT still be relevant, you are quite right. History would have had to go extremely, extremely wrong for that to still somehow be going on then, long before this 1648 breakdown.
I kind of hope that they don't just stick straight to a plot that basically follows those histories, but that kind of thing does seem somewhat popular, particularly with Romance of the Three Kingdoms stuff, but why not with other periods of history too... though on the other hand, I wouldn't expect things to just go along the historical line. I imagine there will be differences.Geneijin said:This is one of the things they subtly imply by suggesting those two time periods actually. Given the current state of the Divine States with separate states/divided lands amongst the different countries/groups, you can postulate why they specifically chose those two time periods if you look at the map. I suggest reading the wiki entries of the Sengoku Era and Thirty Years War very carefully and look at the names very closely. Those two time periods are also inherent spoilers of what's to come. Remember the Sengoku Era represents the civil war between the Divine States and the Harmonic Divine States.