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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds

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Branduil

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hosannainexcelsis said:
Suicide is not a laughing matter.
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Whose laughing?

I don't think it's a surprise that someone involved with anime would commit suicide. It doesn't seem like an industry that places much concern with the health of the people involved. I dunno, it seems to me like Kon's death should have been a wake-up call but I guess not.
 
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Articalys

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Okay, so we've established that I can't tell apart video game genres. Good to know.

Dantalian no Shoka 11

Why did they wait until the second to last episode before showing the cool stuff like this?
I guess Rasiel is the default antagonist for the series or something.
 
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flawfuls

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Branduil said:
Whose laughing?

I don't think it's a surprise that someone involved with anime would commit suicide. It doesn't seem like an industry that places much concern with the health of the people involved. I dunno, it seems to me like Kon's death should have been a wake-up call but I guess not.
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First of all she was a mangaka not an anime person. Second of all Kon died of cancer I'm not sure you can blame anime working conditions for that.
 
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Lafiel

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Branduil said:
Whose laughing?

I don't think it's a surprise that someone involved with anime would commit suicide. It doesn't seem like an industry that places much concern with the health of the people involved. I dunno, it seems to me like Kon's death should have been a wake-up call but I guess not.
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Except her death had nothing to do with the anime industry http://tiny.cc/bkxuk and http://tiny.cc/d5owm.
 
Jex

Jex

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flawfuls said:
First of all she was a mangaka not an anime person. Second of all Kon died of cancer I'm not sure you can blame anime working conditions for that.
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Well I have a depressing feeling that smoking related health issues in the anime industry must be pretty bad.
 
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Uchip

Banned
i was appalled watching the making of spirited away
when even studio ghibli has such terrible looking work environment the lesser studios must be pretty damned awful
 
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Risette

A Good Citizen
Uchip said:
i was appalled watching the making of spirited away
when even studio ghibli has such terrible looking work environment the lesser studios must be pretty damned awful
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Studio Ghibli has always treated their staff like slaves though.
 
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Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Who will Jex compete with now? D:
 
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trejo

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The season hasn't really begun yet and we've already had our first casualty. I'd say we're off to a good start.
 
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Jex

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trejo said:
The season hasn't really begun yet and we've already had our first casualty. I'd say we're off to a good start.
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Well, now the thread has been properly christened.
 
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Risette

A Good Citizen
Jexhius said:
Well it is like the Kremlin.
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Indeed. Oshii busting out the truth behind Ghibli:
In short, in the 1960s way of saying things, if the end is just, the means don't matter. I think that for them, making a movie is still a kind of extension of the union movement. Making strategy, organizing people, and purging traitors-- it's the same. There are agitation and intimidation characteristics to any popular movement. Basically, it's a thorough organizing to carry out the top's will.

I think Studio Ghibli is (like) the Kremlin. -laughs- The real one is long gone, but it's still sitting in the middle of the field in Higashi Koganei. But in a sense, there is a reason for it's existence, meaning, I think it plays a certain role by existing. Just like those steel-like athletes could not be produced other than in the communist countries, a certain kind of people can not be produced by the principals of the market economy.

There should be a type of animator who can be fostered only by Ghibli, where the level of staff is really high, from in-between to painting. So, it can be valued in the sense that it cultured (such staff members) purely, but if you ask me if it's totally right, I'd say I don't think so. I think they should be disbanded immediately. -laughs- I think it would be more meaningful if those who grew up at Ghibli would go outside.

However, there are things that only Ghibli can do, and if it disappears, the tradition would disappear. But that's a relative value, and as for an individual value, I think they should be disbanded immediately. It's the same with the question of whether it got better after the Soviet Union was disbanded, but I think for creative work, anarchy is at least better than freedom under a state power.

It's like Miya-san is the chairman, and Takahata-san is the head of the party, or the president of the Russian Republic. Producer Suzuki is definitely the chief of KGB. But the things that are made and the reality of the organization which makes them are two totally different things. People who think such cohesion is good flock there.

What do other animators think of Ghibli? As far as I know, they basically respect Ghibli. It's half love, and half hate. A general response would be: it's a tremendous place, but I don't want to go there. Because they control you too tightly (at Ghibli). For example, (they tell you) come in at 10 in the morning and go home at 10 in the evening, and you just keep on working for one or two years. At my place, no one comes in till evening, and no one knows who is doing what. And (the project) ends within 8 to 10 months cause I get bored. This is a more common way (of making animation).

I myself have been invited several times, but the biggest reason why I don't want to work at Ghibli is because the control is too tight. -laughs- And there aren't many good food places around Ghibli. I can't tolerate poor eating. Those two are not interested in eating. One instance shows all, they push their ideology, or rather, their constitution to everybody. (They say) it's best if you come into the studio in the morning and go home at night, not because they think so, but because they can't do otherwise.

Well, it's (like) the military or a (political) party, and for some, it's a good order, but for some, it's an intolerable fascism. However, it is certain that only by such mountains of tight control, such movies can be made.

A movie director always has a conflict inside of him, between the need to do what he wants to do and how far he can force others to make sacrifices. Because he can't do anything without others' help. Everyone has a different strategy, but I think all these differences come from ideological issues.

Those two aren't moralists. The lack of ethics is common among men in the 1960s. They definitely think that if there is a validity, or a "just cause" (nishiki no mihata), they are allowed to do anything. In a sense, that's the thing I most hate about them, and that's what keeps me from liking them in the end.

For me, it's better if the end and the means match, though it's almost impossible. To cope with the reality, they use intimidation and refuting. I trick (staff members), or in nicer words, I try to find common interests (with staff members). I try to accept certain things even if they are against my will, or I try to think I'll get payback for that sometime later.

Some anime magazines and manga magazines praise Ghibli as the best animation studio in Japan, or in the world, and say such things as it's the conscience of the Japanese anime industry, but that's all a lie. -laughs- Anyone who's been there even once would know that. Well, I'm not going to deny everything (about Ghibli), but if you worship them like that, it will only make people (at Ghibli) miserable. And indeed they are miserable, so I'm hoping they would stop (worshipping them). Someone should criticize them somewhere. Though to do that, you really need forcefulness and resolution.

Apart from Takahata-san, Miya-san has a somewhat shady past. Such aspects also consitutue who Takahtata-san and Miya-san are. You shouldn't make him a god. Since he is the one who has to carry that burden. I think that's one of the reasons why he struggled and struggled, and is still struggling today.
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Uchip

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look at us wearing our Nikes and watching Ghibli movies!
never once stopping to think about how they came to be!
 
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trejo

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I want Oshii to make a movie about studio Ghibli. But it has to be strictly senile old man Oshii, straight up.
 
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trejo

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Instro said:
I wonder who will be the next ban, animugaf dropping like flies lately.
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There will be just a few of us left by the end of the season. All huddled together and cowering in fear. Everyone else will have one of Duckroll's special tags.
 
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Uchip

Banned
trejo said:
There will be just a few of us left by the end of the season. All huddled together and cowering in fear. Everyone else will have one of Duckroll's special tags.
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lol
i dont know if it was him that gave me this
but ive grown accustomed to it
 
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Kettch

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Penguin Drum 11

Great episode, lovepsycho Tabuki is exactly the awesomeness I'm looking for, had a good long laugh at the potion actually working too. Only issue here was with the constant lack of face drawing really distracting me. Stylistically you can do that for some scenes, but not over and over again for 10 minutes. Made for a really weird contrast compared to the later scenes.

Kamimemo END

That was a really strong final arc to match the quality of the opening episode of the series. Just too bad that the show had to drop so severely for those 9 episodes in between. Still quite enjoyed it overall though.

Blood-C 11

Heh, I still like several parts of this. Like I said several episodes ago, they did a great job of making a lot of the characters just seem a little "off", so that this ending is quite believable. Unfortunately, it continues to be executed horribly, they really needed a different director or something. I was laughing through a lot of this episode again when it's clearly going for "big dramatic moment" instead of comedy. Ah well.
 
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iavi

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Kamimemo 12

Man, if only the show had stayed even this good throughout. It really would have been something memorable, rather than the wholly forgettable experience it became. Oh well. At the end of it all, I can still say I enjoyed my time with it.

The
telling of Ayaka's motives behind the jump did make me tear up a bit.
I don't even care. That shit was sad.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Miri said:
Kamimemo 12

Man, if only the show had stayed even this good throughout. It really would have been something memorable, rather than the wholly forgettable experience it became. Oh well. At the end of it all, I can still say I enjoyed my time with it.

The
telling of Ayaka's motives behind the jump did make me tear up a bit.
I don't even care. That shit was sad.
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Damn it, they got you!!!!
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Sometimes it's not about the journey but the destination. Kamisama Memo's quality dipped and dove all over the place but it finished well, really well. So I liked it and it was well worth my time.
 
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Krev

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Jexhius said:
[Penguin Drum 11]

If they do a SHAFT BD treatment for episode 10 I wouldn't object to them 'fixing' that in episode 11.

Really.
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I thought the
farting penguins
were just absurd enough to be great...until
Shouma told Ringo she wasn't Momoka. Before that, they worked well as an extension of Shouma as he put his foot in his mouth.
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iavi

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firehawk12 said:
Damn it, they got you!!!!
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But that little heart and everything!! It just... idk. To top it off, the song playing wasn't even half as good as secret base. I'm becoming easy.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
The official website of the Japanese rock band Galileo Galilei announced on Sunday that the band's new song "Asu e" (To Tomorrow) will be the opening theme song for the television anime series Mobile Suit Gundam AGE. The series will premiere in Japan on October 9.

What the hell? I thought JAM Project was doing the OP for Gundam AGE? This show is already doomed. Maybe not though because that is an awesome J-Rock band name.
 
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