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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds
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A Black Falcon
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Horizon 5 - I'm sure some people like this show more now, or this episode at least, given that it's basically all action and doesn't have much at all from the main (school-age) cast, but... I just don't agree, I had some things I quite disliked about this episode that made it hard to like. I almost didn't bother watching it at all, but eventually did. It was probably good enough that it was worth watching, but yeah, I'm not so sure I like this direction... I guess it depends, in part, on how the characters react now.
(note - no quotes in this part, but this is partially in response to scy and geneijin's posts about this episode.)
Also, so um, the TU people are both Japanese and not at the same time or something? So the only people who came back to Earth are Japanese people, everyone else is MIA? Oh Japan...
(note - no quotes in this part, but this is partially in response to scy and geneijin's posts about this episode.)
First, Motonobu. Yeah, he's clearly evil, but is the show depicting him that way? Maybe somewhat, but probably not as much as he deserves... he's (apparently) dead now, though, so I don't know how it could return to him unless he survived being blown up or something which seems unlikely.
As for his goals, he's trying to start a war just because the Testament doesn't say a war happens now, so by starting this war he can break the lock the book has on people, or something, yes?
As for the apocalypse, is the book (Testament) heading them towards some apocalypse, or what? I mean, people seem to know about it, but I don't understand why it's happening or what from, if it was explained I don't remember it. Did Motonobu set off this apocalypse, or did he just create the means to stop it (these nine weapon things) and then scatter them among the peoples, in order to get them to fight over them? I'm not clear on that quite important point. So yeah, anyway, in the end he blows up the province and sets off the war he wanted, just because. I hope he's supposed to be disliked... oh, and if he's dead... setting off an apocalyptic war and then killing yourself? That's really bad.
As for Tadakatsu, he had the lead role in this episode, and was the main thing I disliked about it too. His pointless suicide at the end, for nothing other than his devotion to Motonobu, shows off well how awful he was. No, that is not something admirable, no matter how much the episode tries to depict him as being awesome or something! Ugh. It's probably a classically Japanese attitude, but I hate it.
Also, so yeah, Motonobu (and Tadakatsu) set off this war, and then kill themselves, so they won't be around to see any of the sure-to-be-horror they caused? Cowards...
In the rest of the episode, the MC makes it to P-01s, aka Horizon (of course; I knew that P-01s would turn out to be Horizon, I just didn't know exactly how it would happen... so she was made to look like Horizon and then had Horizon's soul ball or whatever it is put into her? Alright, that works.), but she's taken away by the Testament Union. Tadakatsu's daughter hasn't turned on the TU yet, so she backs them up here. I'm not sure whether that's good or bad, given that on the one hand the TU is oppressive, but on the other hand Motonobu's pretty horrible, I don't know that backing his mission up would be so great either.
At the end, it says that apparently the TU is going to have Horizon killed, because of something she had nothing at all to do with, Motonobu destroying Mikawa (just because he said she's his heir, pretty much). What. That's completely stupid... and don't they also need her, as the 9th weapon to stop the apocalypse? Are they thinking at all, or can they use the weapon even with her dead or something?
As for his goals, he's trying to start a war just because the Testament doesn't say a war happens now, so by starting this war he can break the lock the book has on people, or something, yes?
As for the apocalypse, is the book (Testament) heading them towards some apocalypse, or what? I mean, people seem to know about it, but I don't understand why it's happening or what from, if it was explained I don't remember it. Did Motonobu set off this apocalypse, or did he just create the means to stop it (these nine weapon things) and then scatter them among the peoples, in order to get them to fight over them? I'm not clear on that quite important point. So yeah, anyway, in the end he blows up the province and sets off the war he wanted, just because. I hope he's supposed to be disliked... oh, and if he's dead... setting off an apocalyptic war and then killing yourself? That's really bad.
As for Tadakatsu, he had the lead role in this episode, and was the main thing I disliked about it too. His pointless suicide at the end, for nothing other than his devotion to Motonobu, shows off well how awful he was. No, that is not something admirable, no matter how much the episode tries to depict him as being awesome or something! Ugh. It's probably a classically Japanese attitude, but I hate it.
Also, so yeah, Motonobu (and Tadakatsu) set off this war, and then kill themselves, so they won't be around to see any of the sure-to-be-horror they caused? Cowards...
In the rest of the episode, the MC makes it to P-01s, aka Horizon (of course; I knew that P-01s would turn out to be Horizon, I just didn't know exactly how it would happen... so she was made to look like Horizon and then had Horizon's soul ball or whatever it is put into her? Alright, that works.), but she's taken away by the Testament Union. Tadakatsu's daughter hasn't turned on the TU yet, so she backs them up here. I'm not sure whether that's good or bad, given that on the one hand the TU is oppressive, but on the other hand Motonobu's pretty horrible, I don't know that backing his mission up would be so great either.
At the end, it says that apparently the TU is going to have Horizon killed, because of something she had nothing at all to do with, Motonobu destroying Mikawa (just because he said she's his heir, pretty much). What. That's completely stupid... and don't they also need her, as the 9th weapon to stop the apocalypse? Are they thinking at all, or can they use the weapon even with her dead or something?
Also, so um, the TU people are both Japanese and not at the same time or something? So the only people who came back to Earth are Japanese people, everyone else is MIA? Oh Japan...
I'm sure you're right, and it sent me in the opposite direction. That shouldn't be too surprising either though.scy said:
Well, we finally getan explanation as to Horizon's overall significance to the plot -- the 9th Mortal Sin weapon. And Motonobu's goal (...maybe) is explained: To divert from the history of the world as dictated by the Testament by causing a new war. Maybe? Since they're after the destruction of the world ... am I to think of them as the bad guys? Good guys for fighting against the recreation of History as a means to prevent the destruction of the world? Either way, Mikawa is destroyed, Horizon is taken, and shit is going to go down ...
Also, I feel sad thatthe first fatality is Kazuno and I feel really bad about meido dying. Even if she was a doll. Unsure if Gin is a doll as well (and where exactly was she hiding those guns anyway?) or if she's just like that. Also looks like Tadakatsu (and Motonobu) are done for it as well. We're starting to thin the crowd of people to keep track of! Hooray!
Well, shit. This is an interesting way to start the serious parts off.
What are the Mortal Sin weapons, again? Had they been mentioned before? I mean, they're some method for stopping this apocalypse, whatever it is/whyever it's apparently going to happen, that I get, and Motonobu seems to have created them, but apart from that, had we known anything about them before this?
scy said:
As I said, Tadakatsu's just a moron (and worse, as I said above).
And yeah, starting a war like that isn't in the greater good, period. Spreading awareness of doomsday (if he even did that, I guess it's unclear) and coming up with a means to stop it is one thing, but that's something entirely different and awful.
And yeah, starting a war like that isn't in the greater good, period. Spreading awareness of doomsday (if he even did that, I guess it's unclear) and coming up with a means to stop it is one thing, but that's something entirely different and awful.
RurouniZel
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Regulus Tera said:
Thanks! I'm still at work so the curiosity was killing me!
Enjoying my slow descent into madness I see...Regulus Tera said:
Yusoga no Sora 10
Well, for once there's some elements of actually compelling narrative going on. Sora and Tits and Glasses had a pretty sweet staredown, but I'm disappoint it was Sora doing the shlick of shame rather than MC. I'm reveling in their emotional agony as people play all sides of their cards. I fully expect MC to fap shamefully, look at the gunk on his hands, and say "I'm so fucked up". If he doesn't, I will be disappoint.
Vignette is still gold. Pure gold.
A Black Falcon said:
I was wondering when you'd get around to this episode
My understanding is that
he wants to break free from the Testament Union's control of the flow of history. They're basically just recreating for the sake of recreating because they believe that to be the correct path. However, the Testament itself has no recorded History after a certain date and they're rapidly approaching it with the Union presumably doing nothing about it. Motonobu wants to divert this flow of history and basically start their own history instead. An all-or-nothing gamble of sorts; if there is no history, we'll carve our own.
The Mortal Sin weapons seem to just be some huge cool weapons; I don't think they have been mentioned and I don't think he created or found or whatever with them for the purpose of fixing the world with them directly. I think they're just ... really cool weapons of mass destruction. His announcement sparks a war over them rather than just "Hey guys, let's have a world war." I mean, his actions here BESIDES the announcement of the weapons would have done absolutely nothing except cause problems for the Far East; things would not have changed.
Having the weapons all of a sudden become this potential salvation of the world makes them targets for the various factions; this WMD hunt will serve as the backdrop for the world war.
As for the suicide to spark the events ... I honestly don't know. I guess for dramatic effect or lazy author syndrome.
The Mortal Sin weapons seem to just be some huge cool weapons; I don't think they have been mentioned and I don't think he created or found or whatever with them for the purpose of fixing the world with them directly. I think they're just ... really cool weapons of mass destruction. His announcement sparks a war over them rather than just "Hey guys, let's have a world war." I mean, his actions here BESIDES the announcement of the weapons would have done absolutely nothing except cause problems for the Far East; things would not have changed.
Having the weapons all of a sudden become this potential salvation of the world makes them targets for the various factions; this WMD hunt will serve as the backdrop for the world war.
As for the suicide to spark the events ... I honestly don't know. I guess for dramatic effect or lazy author syndrome.
Hm. I dislike it
since I kind of liked Tadakatsu. And it makes little sense that he ... had to die. I mean, what was stopping him from escaping and being an ACTUAL player in the war started by Motonobu? Honestly, their two deaths don't really make much sense besides "This is all I had planned for them, I guess I'll kill them off."
Well,
I think we were supposed to gather from Tadakatsu's talking with Kazuno that the dolls can have a person's memories or existence or soul or "something" involved with their creation; she was supposed to be a doll of his wife. So, Horizon is much the same. I'm not entirely sure though and it'll either be expanded upon or we're just to run with "Yup, she's Horizon reborn as a doll. Congrats."
Here is where we're into purely speculation so
my guess is that the execution of Horizon isn't actually going to happen. More of taken under the guise of that. We'll see though. If they do plan to kill her, I'd say it's more that the TU doesn't buy into what Motonobu said at all and believe that faithfully following the recreation of History is their salvation and damn the Motonobu family line altogether for trying to do anything.
I think the TU is more of a "rest of the world" organization; there's some Far East members in it (presumably, the Tachibana family for instance) but I'm not sure. It will be a little weird when all we really have to work on for where people are from is based off what they say; they'll all speak Japanese in the end :/
Again,
I think it's more just as the backdrop for the war itself. I don't think there's an actual "Collect them all, stop one Apocalypse!" effect going on. It seems a bit too farfetched if so and begs the question why have them all and send them out if he could've used them to begin with for the purpose of stopping the end of the world. So thinking it through that way leads me to that conclusion that the Mortal Sin weapons aren't going to save the world directly but their presence is the catalyst for what Motonobu believes will be the savior: Writing their own history.
I haven't seen Episode 6 yet so no idea if that responds to any of the above.
A Black Falcon
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Just one thing I'm not clear on... Does the show reset between arcs, like Amagami SS?doomed1 said:
There's actually some continuity. For example, some character development (in the most liberal sense of the word) that happens in Arc A carries over to Arc B, but never includes the MC bonking the girl of Arc A.A Black Falcon said:
PdotMichael
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damn it, I forgot Penguindrum today.
some opinions?
some opinions?
Since that last post fueled this, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon 6 -
So, the first big thing is that
. Also, high potential for Gin to utterly frighten me.
We're back to a setup episode, but I can't see it lasting for awhile since
So, the first big thing is that
Yup, she needs to die for them to get the weapon it seems (plus scapegoat because one must always have a fall guy). Or at least they can get it with her dead, iffy on the translation a bit
We're back to a setup episode, but I can't see it lasting for awhile since
the point was to show the students getting the will and drive to fight against the Testament Union and some backstory (Suzu's). By the end of the episode, they've figured out a plan and are ready to put it into motion. Then again, it took 5 episodes for the last day so shit, how long will this take...
Yosuga no Sora 12
And so my burden is finally lifted. Now this might just be the crazy talking, but somehow that last episode was... competently handled? I know, I'm kind of confused too, but it hit the standard conflict of "emotion" and "socialization" that's created with taboo relations square in the nose without really invalidating either side. Really, some of the plot points were kind of out of the blue, and it ends up on the standard immature answer of them staying together (and it figures that they would probably go to a European country where no one would be able to tell that they're siblings anyway), but it's still strange to find myself okaywiththis.jpg.
Would still never watch it EVER AGAIN. ONE evenly handled episode doesn't make up for the twelve episodes I had to suffer that MC and his lack of testicles and all the girls basically throwing themselves onto him. It's fine for porn, but really, it's shit for TV.
And so my burden is finally lifted. Now this might just be the crazy talking, but somehow that last episode was... competently handled? I know, I'm kind of confused too, but it hit the standard conflict of "emotion" and "socialization" that's created with taboo relations square in the nose without really invalidating either side. Really, some of the plot points were kind of out of the blue, and it ends up on the standard immature answer of them staying together (and it figures that they would probably go to a European country where no one would be able to tell that they're siblings anyway), but it's still strange to find myself okaywiththis.jpg.
Would still never watch it EVER AGAIN. ONE evenly handled episode doesn't make up for the twelve episodes I had to suffer that MC and his lack of testicles and all the girls basically throwing themselves onto him. It's fine for porn, but really, it's shit for TV.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
This is almost as good as someone going through School Days for the first time.doomed1 said:
No, I would say there's too much talking to be worthy of porn status.doomed1 said:
No, School Days is actually good, really really fantastically Shakespearianly good. YnS is shit. Pure shit with a little rose petal at the end. I am NEVER doing that again. I could probably even watch Kiss X Sis and not be bothered anymore, for I have seen something that is just so awful it's awful. There's no irony here, only bad.Regulus Tera said:
Have you actually ever played a VN? They never shut up.Regulus Tera said:
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Kiss X Sis is commendable for the fact that it doesn't hide what it's trying to do. It's very bodacious about its true nature.doomed1 said:
I would love it for someone to post impressions of the Blue series, but, you know, hentai.
I don't count eroge as porn to be honest. There's far too much downtime between the fap-worthy material.doomed1 said:
PdotMichael
Banned
School Days was tasteful?
I thought it was pretty generic apart from the ending.
I thought it was pretty generic apart from the ending.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Un-Go 05: Humans are still shit, unless they are rotting and lifeless. Then they are noble and brave and stuff.
Team Taichi is the choice to salvation!M_Night said:
MotionBlue
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Guilty Crown Thursdays! :3
It's actually tremendously distasteful. And that's the point.PdotMichael said:
And I honestly can't see how you can call it "generic" when the show goes off the deep end in the second half when Motoko goes all man-whore and fucks everything in the school with a pulse.
You can still enjoy it even if you know the end, btw. Learning the context for NICE BOAT is about as important as what it actually is.
PdotMichael
Banned
Patlabor OVA - 1
I love how slice of life the first part of the episode was, they don't even introduced the characters proberly. It was all about to get a feeling for the world and time, a pretty low-tech near future even with the Labors.
And it's nice to see the Labors are no overpowered mecha like in many other animes.
I love how slice of life the first part of the episode was, they don't even introduced the characters proberly. It was all about to get a feeling for the world and time, a pretty low-tech near future even with the Labors.
And it's nice to see the Labors are no overpowered mecha like in many other animes.
PdotMichael
Banned
doomed1 said:
It's now many years ago, but if I remeber it correctly the first part was pretty standard anime harem/love story. But the jump from typical harem anime to bad ending mode was pretty illogical and not self-consistent.
Okay, if you want to know the background story of the nice boat ending but the anime is nothing I would recommend for the story, characters and stuff.
Sure it was,PdotMichael said:
Motoko the traitor was given "sexual confidence" with his interactions with Sekai, and since he was a flake with everything else, his pursuit of pleasure came before him being "responsible". Really, Motoko was always like that, but without any confidence to see it through, and that's why he died.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Finally got home half an hour ago so
Guilty Crown 05: If I liked Shu as a character I might be more sympathetic to his plight. Otherwise, we got some time with the only worthwhile (not to mention cute) character in the show, so I'm going to call this episode a win win. ^^;
Guilty Crown 05: If I liked Shu as a character I might be more sympathetic to his plight. Otherwise, we got some time with the only worthwhile (not to mention cute) character in the show, so I'm going to call this episode a win win. ^^;
PdotMichael
Banned
doomed1 said:
yeah, that was my problem with Makoto, I never understood his motivation or character switch. And I still think it was not good portrayed in the anime.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
PdotMichael said:
Well portrayed.
/grammar nazi
PdotMichael
Banned
doomed1 said:
I'm just a hopeless romantic.
Makoto was interested in Sonohara solely for her gigantic melons. It wasnt until after he bonked Sekai did he realize that what was more important to him was that he was getting some, and not the size of a girl's tits.
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