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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds
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Branduil said:
One of those low-budget direct-to-video movies that everyone tries to forget.
Branduil said:
Yes. In terms of animation and visual design, 90's Disney is like a campy imitation of their 40's-60's output.
I suspected as much, but it's still hilarious to watch. Dat dancing animation.7Th said:
Ahahaha the comments.
"My favourite movies are not from Disney. They're from Jetlag Productions. "
"I loved doing this song....It's my voice you hear. When I recorded this in 1994, I thought I was just doing a demo of it. Turns out, I'm actually on the video....I'm so glad you love it! Stay Tuned! I actually have my demo tape of this song and one from Snow White and The Nutcracker, just so you know I'm not kidding..."
hosannainexcelsis
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[Mawaru Penguin Drum 18]
Are you asking,
That's a good question.
firehawk12 said:
Are you asking,
"Why did Tabuki wait so long to enact his revenge if he's been the Takakuras' homeroom teacher all this time?"
The way I understood it was that Tabuki was not intentionally lying when he told Ringo and Yuri that he had no more desire for revenge. He genuinely thought he had worked through his issues and could associate with the Takakura children without hating them for what their parents did. But as he continued to associate with Ringo and Yuri, painful memories of Momoka were brought back to the surface and he found that his hatred had only been suppressed, not dealt with. Thus when Ringo asks him in episode 18 why he is acting against his earlier statement, Tabuki can only turn away and say nothing since he is too ashamed to admit that he had not only lied to her, but to himself.
As it turned out, Tabuki did not have the nerve to see his plan through to the end, so he didn't make a "heel" turn after all. Several characters have acted antagonistically towards the Takakuras, but "face/heel" is too simplistic to describe their actions and character in most cases. Sanetoshi is the only character who I see as a genuine villain.
As it turned out, Tabuki did not have the nerve to see his plan through to the end, so he didn't make a "heel" turn after all. Several characters have acted antagonistically towards the Takakuras, but "face/heel" is too simplistic to describe their actions and character in most cases. Sanetoshi is the only character who I see as a genuine villain.
PdotMichael
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7Th said:
Is The Lion King modern or classic Disney?
7Th said:
Actually... they kinda do. If you take straight inflation calculations, they would have similar or slightly lower budgets, but that isn't quite accurate in terms of how films used to be made. The scale of productions and time spent on them in the past is pretty much impossible to replicate today at the same costs, even with adjusted inflation.
Sleeping Beauty took almost 10 years to make, and would have bankrupted Disney if it was not a huge commercial success. It was also shot on 70mm film. They also did a lot of live action referencing for their films in the past, where they had actual actors and actresses dressed up in full costumes, acting out the scenes which were storyboarded, just so the animators could observe natural motion as a form of reference to adapt to animation.
A movie like Ben Hur, even with inflation adjusted costs, would have a budget of less than 100 million USD. But in the same way, with 100 million USD today, there is no way you would be able to make a movie like Ben Hur. It would cost much, much more.
Yes, there is less traditional animation talent in Disney movies today, but the budgets are also lower when you consider how much time and effort the studio is willing to put into each production. That also hurts it, and in turn prevents quality talent from developing there nowadays.
duckroll said:
I took inflation into account when comparing budgets, actually; Pinnochio's adjusted budget is nearly half the budget of Lion King, Beauty and the Beast and less than half the budget of The Princess and The Frog. You're right in saying that straightforward numerical comparisons aren't fair; but I think that the production process and the people involved make a bigger difference than the amount of money invested.
7Th said:
But you can't separate the production process and the amount of money invested so easily. That's my point. Even when you take inflation into account, when we're talking about something like making films, it really doesn't translate properly at all. Sleeping Beauty would cost just under 50 million USD if we translate the budget using inflation. But that's not the "real" cost. It would basically be impossible for Disney to do what they did with Sleeping Beauty today, with 50 million USD. They wouldn't even be able to do it with 100 million USD.
Even if they have people today in the studio with the same amount of talent as the staff who worked on Sleeping Beauty, a budget of 80-90 million USD (which is the standard budget for a modern Disney animated film) would not give that team the same amount of creative freedom and time to a movie like that.
I'll agree that it is true that raw numbers in terms of dollars is not what is holding Disney back. They can still afford to spend quite a sum of money to produce their films, but what I'm saying is that in the modern production world today, especially in America, you don't get the same bang for your buck as you did in the 50s. This means that to get equal quality, they would have to spend significantly more. The inflation of movie production costs is surprisingly much higher than normal inflation for the rest of the economy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Disney not only made some great movies but some of the best animated TV shows ever. They were campy as hell but who cares? Pure fun. Their catch theme songs and fun factor are a lost art form. Rescue Rangers, Duck Tales, Darkwing Duck, etc.
EmmanuelMunoz said:
Is it really worth it in the end? By doing what he did, he gave us a glimpse of what would be possible creatively without the specter of capitalism looming over Hollywood. If not for that glimpse we might be none the wiser, and have lower standards, allowing ourselves to enjoy shitty animation more!
duckroll said:Is it really worth it in the end? By doing what he did, he gave us a glimpse of what would be possible creatively without the specter of capitalism looming over Hollywood. If not for that glimpse we might be none the wiser, and have lower standards, allowing ourselves to enjoy shitty animation more!
Ignorance is bliss
icarus-daedelus said:
They were unaware of Pinocchio being a financial disaster when starting production on Fantasia and Bambi. It was Hitlers fault that it failed (partially at least).
But you are right, this was the beginning of Disney going public to recoup costs for their financial missteps.
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I got to put in a shout out for Gargoyles here.
PdotMichael
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The last Working'!! episode was great and
-Yamada is soo :cajun.
But now, after the preview for the next episode,
Neko
But now, after the preview for the next episode,
I'm afraid that the next episode is the last episode with Yamada like in the manga version
PdotMichael
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I learned in the school two interpretations of the horses
1. The horses symbolize the isolation due to the lack of solidarity of the society
2. The horses symbolize the inner strength of the doctor
1. The horses symbolize the isolation due to the lack of solidarity of the society
2. The horses symbolize the inner strength of the doctor
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