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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds
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CornBurrito
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People ITT are making me tempted to spoil Mirai Nikki.
Wish fulfillment my ass.
Wish fulfillment my ass.
firehawk12
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zeroshiki said:I think this is key. The producer has a point that there have been a dearth of general populace targeted source material that they can adapt. They've pretty much run that well dry (I would kill for a Nazotoki adaptation though). The problem is that they've gone in the complete opposite direction and embraced super otaku. If they give more original stuff a chance, it might hit. I mean, that's what noitamina is all about, right?
It's too bad the block can't exist on its own without resorting to pandering to the shittiest audience ever. :/
firehawk12
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You should buy 50000 copies of Usadrop.zeroshiki said:
firehawk12
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3 shows. Although, they made noitaminA an hour long after that, so it's a wash.Miri said:
You work at a bank don't you?!zeroshiki said:
Dedication Through Light
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Horizon 7
Everyones response was priceless. I think that had to be one of the top 2 minutes in the series so far. I enjoyed the battle music
Everyones response was priceless. I think that had to be one of the top 2 minutes in the series so far. I enjoyed the battle music
hosannainexcelsis
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As far as TV shows successful with the mass market go, I don't really know enough to be able to say. (Obviously movies have Ghibli.) The evergreen family shows continue to be popular (Sazae-san, Doraemon, Conan). And there still are a few shows besides them specifically aiming for a general audience - we had Usagi Drop last season and this season Chihayafuru is carrying on the spirit of old noitamina, though I don't know if either have found a substantial audience they can make money off of.Articalys said:
I think there are many factors preventing anime from reaching a larger audience - the ghetto people at large place animation in, the dead-of-night TV slots, the exorbitant DVD/BD pricing, the short-team appeal of pandering to a small group of otaku who will shell out big cash. I don't have an answer to the problem, but I hope something can be found that will allow the anime industry to thrive in the future and not let its talent go to waste.
Infinite Justice
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Jexhius said:
I thought the writing was on the wall long ago?
hosannainexcelsis
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Miri said:
"Saving anime" gets thrown around a lot here, so it's difficult to know if someone's being serious for once. But the truth of the matter is that one show, no matter how good, isn't going to "save anime". Even if Watanabe made another Cowboy Bebop, that wouldn't solve the industry's problems.
I should say I'm not personally unhappy with anime overall this year, and I don't regret my decision to start following airing shows this spring. But I'm not short-sighted enough to think that the existence of shows that appeal to me mean that all is well. I don't believe anime is "dead" at present, but it will be in the not-too-distant future if serious changes aren't made to the way things are done.
Zoramon089
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Miri said:
I wholeheartedly support this! The man makes AMAZING things when he's involved
Hey, don't be hate'n. She's not the worst, she's just the most exploited, which frankly makes me feel like a creep even though I'm against such cynical moe-moe exploitation.cajunator said:
There's alot of reasons that women sit with their legs closed. Aside from the painfully obvious sexual cues, women who wear skirts and dresses tend to sit like that to keep people from looking up at their undergarments and is a less threatening posture than cross-knee. Ritsu doesn't because her personality is the "looser, sloppier, tomboyish" one. If anything it shows that they were very deliberately posed for that poster to express their personalities (and remind otaku of the moe~moe) with nothing but a visual cue.Halycon said:
firehawk12
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zeroshiki said:
airmangataosenai
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Despite being terrible, didn't AnoHana do really well? I remember it having high DVD/Blu-Ray sales.Krev said:
Infinite Justice
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airmangataosenai said:
tbh it had a loli and a girl nicknamed Anaru
(who is basically the poster child for the hentai stuff relating to this series)
So its a decent chance that the fan base who got it are the ones they are now targeting (otakus)
Infinite Justice
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hosannainexcelsis said:
Krev said:
The problem is not the late night slot, nor is it that there is no market for it. The problem is that you cannot want to be part of the core anime retail industry and want general audiences at the same time. The reason for this is very simple. The very business model of anime itself is a huge turn off to "general audiences" everywhere. No one who is not a hardcore anime fan would find it justifiable or "normal" to pay 70-80 dollars for a single volume of animation containing 2-3 episodes. That's 50-70mins of animated footage for 70-80 dollars, multiplied by 6-9 volumes, depending on the series. It's not even a matter of being able to afford it, it's a matter of thinking such pricing is retarded, and doing something better with your money instead.
Edit: I've decided to add more details.
FujiTV themselves would be happy with good ratings for the noitaminA slot (they have had really good ratings for a late night slot for certain seasons), but they don't pay for the full production of anime series. It would be ridiculous to expect them to foot the entire bill when advertising doesn't get them that much in returns, and they cannot rely on high home video sales at all to make it worthwhile. So the issue then turns to sponsors.
To get more programming for the slot, the producer has to work with sponsors who will fund the shows. Such sponsors are usually distributors and producers in the anime industry itself, and they're definitely going to be pushing for more otaku-friendly shows because they can more easily market these and profit off them from a) higher home video sales, b) merchandising. A huge example of this is that Aniplex is now the leading partner of noitaminA.
So that's really where the problem is. It's not that people don't want to watch anime which are targeted at general audience. There's definitely an audience for that. But they're not "anime fans", and hence it would be stupid to expect them to accept anime "standards" in terms of retail. At the same time, the anime industry is not going to risk making less money by abandoning their otaku-centric marketing and sales tactics to go after a completely different audience in retail, because that might also fail, leaving them with no audience at all.
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