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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds

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duckroll

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Fate/Zero Ep10

This is a pretty interesting episode, even though based on the preview and screens, I sort of knew what to expect. The decision to take break from the regular narrative to expand on a side character is a good decision to change up the tone after a series of pretty dramatic episodes, but what's always the most important point is the content.

For what is essentially a side story and a "filler" episode, the execution of the episode is pretty solid. I'm impressed by how successful the staff is in creating a unique tone for Rin, both in terms of direction and music. It definitely reflects her characteristics and a more youthful, innocent, and naive sense of the world compared to how the series usually feels.

The contrast of Fuyuki at night against the day in the atmosphere is also very effective for the episode, especially when contrasted against how the normal parts of the city was depicted in the day time in the second and third episodes.

Oh yeah, and before I forget... HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH! :D



Fate/Zero series discussion

Well, in a way this really was like trejo and Steroyd described it; an information dump, but I have to say that I've liked it a lot because I was thinking already on the possible future situations as they were unfolding the premise. Is like that dry, slow and ominous way in which it was been presented the story gives time to better think along it goes, filling the blanks, and that is what a crazy but interestingly put setting makes for me.

Yes. I really enjoy the first episode, and a lot of that is because of how it is directed, and the specific choices in layouts and camera framing. The script itself was filled with compelling content as well, and the way it was delivered - while definitely filled with exposition - was also very informative and interesting for me since I am no Type-Moon fan and I haven't really paid a lot of attention to their other shows. The way the characters were presented and how they interacted with each other right from the start really sold me on the series.

And talking about the tone of this first episode,
anyone else find jarring how it shifted with that ending song and all that? I assumed sometimes there would be a contrast when adapting overarching original material like the one in question, but it surprised me!

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I'll like to add that the "ending song" of ep1 is actually the opening for the series. It definitely fits better in subsequent episodes, and they should probably just have had a black credit roll for the first episode imo.

From what I've seen, this series seems to share more than I first thought with Kara no Kyōkai: The Garden of Sinners (well, it has involved in it a good part of the staff from this previous work), in more ways than the (now more subtle) "overproduced" feel that digital photography, and visual design in general, gives. In terms of direction both are ambitious, and for a series like this one the composition of the scenes, how the characters interact in the (very well presented) scenarios, has that impression of quality that I didn't expect on a TV show.

I'll like to expand on this point as well. Personally, I don't like KnK at all. The movies were supposed to be a poster child for cutting edge digital anime in terms of mixing digital effects, CG, and traditional animation, but I didn't enjoy what I saw of it at all. As you said, it looked overproduced, and there were filters and effects all over in a way which made scenes either hard to follow or just unappealing to the eye.

On the other hand, while they are clearly applying a lot of the same experience and techniques here in Fate/Zero, I feel it is extremely appealing to me. Why? One reason is probably that Ufotable actually learns a lot from each of their productions and they get better at it, so their craftsmanship is improved.

The other reason I feel is that there is a much better focus in Fate/Zero in terms of how the digital arts are used. The characters here look much more traditional in terms of both animation movement and also coloring and shading. This makes the overall composition much more "natural" when viewed as an anime series. The majority of the digital and CG work is used on unique effects either in the environment or in combat, and the there is extensive use of CG to aid with elements which are not easy to achieve in the same way with traditional art (giving backgrounds lots of space and depth for example, while retaining detail).

Overall, I find myself learning a lot when watching Fate/Zero, because I haven't really given much personal thought to Ufotable as a studio before this, and this work is impressive enough that every episode I find interesting things to comment on in the way the show is produced and made, and the decisions they make in terms of how to put together certain scenes. Some scenes are more successful than other scenes, but overall it's a solid effort and I haven't been annoyed by anything yet.

Ufotable says that Fate/Zero is their attempt to make a full length TV series that maintains the sort of quality standard and ambition they had with the KnK films, and Aniplex seems to be more than willing to bankroll them with the required budget to make this happen. I'm glad, because I really didn't expect to like the show at all, and being able to enjoy something that I didnt expect to like so much is a really nice surprise.
 

zeroshiki

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K-On The Movie

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So I went to watch this today.

This is a picture of the main entrance of one of the most famous movie places in Japan, the Shinjuku Picadilly:

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There's a ton of cross marketing for K-On with Lotteria, Denny's, Lawson's etc. TBS has been pushing this movie hard. Purely anecdotally, this is the hardest anime movie push I've seen since Ponyo. Way more than even Summer Wars or Arrietty/Kokuriko. There were also tons of girls(!) watching and the crowd didn't look like your greasy otaku crowd.

What follows is my impressions (warning, minor spoilers)

Ok so to get this out of the way, I freaking love this movie. This is basically joy condensed in anime form. At its core its typical K-On but in its own way it's not. Instead of just cute girls doing cute things, the movie goes out of its way to show that with K-On it's also about friendship, growing up and saying goodbye.

While almost everyone gets screentime here, yes even Yui's nameless classmates
and parents
get bit parts, the movie is basically about Azusa and how she copes with everyone graduating and basically leaving her all alone. I actually feel kinda sad that the original 4 girls graduate together and will go to college together while she's left with no club because her seniors suck at recruiting club members. It was really sweet seeing Yui so worried about Azusa and saying how she wanted to basically do something senior-like at least once in her high school life.

The London parts were really cool and made me wish that I was English so I could have appreciated it alot more. Despite the England marketing though about half the movie is still set in Japan and the aforementioned issue. Actually if I had a complaint, I'd have to say that the England bits served no narrative purpose and was basically there just to show the girls having fun and being cute. I freaking loved the travelling parts though. My favorite episode from the tv series was the Kyoto school trip and this was basically that with an international flair.

Overall, I really enjoyed it. If you didn't like K-On before this, the movie won't change your mind but if your heart is not totally black, you will enjoy this.

They have a promotion where you get a giveaway like a point card for every 3 times you watch until the 24th time! I'm kinda tempted to get to 3...

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NewFresh

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K-On The Movie


Overall, I really enjoyed it. If you didn't like K-On before this, the movie won't change your mind but if your heart is not totally black, you will enjoy this.


Guess I'm all out of luck :(

Though I won't be watching it (probably ever), I was interested in hearing impressions about what it turned out to be. I was mostly expecting just 90 min+ of moeblobs looking moe drinking moe tea in moe london.

Now I'm just look forward to Jman and Hitokages impressions once they see it.
 

Ezalc

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Overall, I really enjoyed it. If you didn't like K-On before this, the movie won't change your mind but if your heart is not totally black, you will enjoy this.

I'll have you know my heart is a soothing green and it smells of roses and periwinkle. That being said, K-ON still sucks.
 
Gintama 166

The fujoshi must have gone crazy over this one.

Casshern Sins 13-14

Even though we got some revelations, somehow I still feel like I know nothing about what's going on.
 
Do you mean
Oshiroi's magazine with Sato's head pasted over the muscle guys, or the masochist student
? Because I considered it all part of the overall Shiraume abuse running gag that I hate.


Okay, I will admit, the moment when that happened was great, if only because it came from out of fucking nowhere and completely destroyed the atmosphere of the scene.

I meant the very very last gag where he;s losing consciousness on the floor and the two girls are calling him gross, then we hear his inner monologue.
 

/XX/

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I'll like to add that the "ending song" of ep1 is actually the opening for the series. It definitely fits better in subsequent episodes, and they should probably just have had a black credit roll for the first episode imo.
That is what I would have deemed more appropriate, yes...
not like this is of much importance, after all!

What I wanted to say, and didn't explain very well, with the comment about "overarching original material" is that certain type of visual novels (although in this case the direct adaptation is from light novels) plays with the idea of so many different possibilities, ways of entertaining the player through successive tries that sometimes they include situations and routes that go all over the place in terms of tone, mood or silliness, and translating that variety to a series and at the same time adapting necessary, interesting or fan-favorite scenes can convert in a mess this types of projects, hence that possible "contrast" depending on what they decide to focus on for this. However, as I said, this is a light novel adaptation so it won't be that complicated.

The other reason I feel is that there is a much better focus in Fate/Zero in terms of how the digital arts are used. The characters here look much more traditional in terms of both animation movement and also coloring and shading. This makes the overall composition much more "natural" when viewed as an anime series. The majority of the digital and CG work is used on unique effects either in the environment or in combat, and the there is extensive use of CG to aid with elements which are not easy to achieve in the same way with traditional art (giving backgrounds lots of space and depth for example, while retaining detail).
Yeah, what I find a very good accomplishment, what really makes worth the use of computer-graphics aid, is how the characters are integrated in the scenery; they used many shots so wide and layered, with backgrounds and foregrounds made of a consistent visual richness, that it would have been much more laborious and difficult making convincing and well structured image composites in any other manner.

In general, I think they have achieved a good balance to create a compelling aesthetic design. I remember reading how ufotable inc., has being taking pride recently as a studio with a unique personality and capacity of creating productions practically all in-house as a demonstration of it, so that kind of refinement in subsequent works is a logical step for what I suppose they are trying to achieve.

Having watched this without knowing anything about the franchise beforehand has certainly been an advantage (like trejo said) as I discovered the novelty of what this story was all about, but as you said the way this episode delivered the exposition was very informative and interesting, and only that is enough to make me see what good things I'm sure to expect from this series, looking forward to it!
 

Cwarrior

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Ben-To 9

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What was once an amusing if quirky action comedy has turned into complete garbage. Very sad.

I drop this at ep5 after the introduction of that blonde cousin, killing the show for me.

I tried to pick it up again, telling lying myself maybe she isn't a permanent character but after 2mins in, I just could do it.
 

Jex

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Two posters in this thread have Inori avatars. Now, I'm not one to pass judgement about avatar choices, I'm just stating a fact. A disturbing fact.
Here's the amazing anti-government movie plot that the Tokyo government paid half a million dollars to fund:

(Blood-C TV series spoilers)

Tokyo, Winter.

Despite the use of the Youth Ordinance Bill to enforce curfews for minors and regulate the use of the internet, young people continue to fight for their own freedom through underground methods. One such group calls themselves Surat. They have decided to take on Fumito Nanahara, a man who has great influence on the political world, and basically controls Tokyo with an iron fist. While using the internet as a weapon to discover more information about Fumito, they learn about "Tower", the secret organization behind Fumito which engages in human experimentation.

When members of Surat attempt to set up an ambush in the subway to expose the truth behind "Tower", mysterious creatures suddenly appear and attack the passengers. During this crisis, Saya appears - a young girl who uses a Japanese blade to slay the Old Ones. The same Saya who lost everything dear to her in that horrifying incident in Ukishima Province. What sort of "experiment" is Fumito and "Tower" trying to conduct using the Old Ones? And can Saya finally deliver vengeance to Fumito?

Now, the final battle begins...

I'd like to think this is some elaborate joke, but then again, this is Blood-C we're talking about, and it hates everyone equally.
 
Gintama 167

I sympathize with the Wizardry generation. Sometimes you just want to cut the CG cutscene crap and wander around 2D dungeons bumping into walls.

Gintama 168

They're going all out with the Dragon Quest parody, even including a Portopia reference. Horii love!

Whats wrong with Inori?

Beats me. It's not like there haven't been people with hentai avatars before.
 

Jex

Member
[Cowboy Bebop Movie]
Eh, the movie doesn't quite reach the heights of the final few episodes of the series. It is on par with an average episode, which means it's quite good. I love the opening scene and credits.

I think it's a fairly serviceable product that's certainly well made. I don't know if I really wanted to see a movie length feature from a series noted for it's short, excellent, episodic episodes but I feel they did a pretty good job anyway.
Whats wrong with Inori?

I'm not saying she's a bad character in an already bad show.
 

Cwarrior

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One piece 525

ahhhhhhh...soo good, some long awaited one piece straight into my system.

-caribo should join
-lol nipple lights, Franky and his crazy modifications what’s next
 
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Phi Brain Eps 1-8 (i think)

Wow, this is unbelievably silly and yet so entertaining. I guess I will watch more as it goes. Also, waiting for the next ep of Mirai Nikki, really like it so far.
 

Jex

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Because seeing the world constantly humiliate a rich blonde girl is the only reason people watch Haganai.

Truly leading the way forward for anime to be as respected an art-form as videogames!
Casshern Sins 1-4

Warning: This show may cause depression, despair, and suicidal thoughts.

Looks amazing though.

It's only because the world is ruined and barren. But not ruined so badly that you can't have spin-kicks.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Screw all you haters.

::enjoys his lesbian antics in peace::
 

Jex

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Any general opinions on Welcome to the NHK? It's another remnant of the Amazon Cyber Monday sales, still at $10.50, but even at that price I'm debating if it's worth adding even more stuff to my backlog.

It's inferior to the manga and light-novel. For a dark work about the blackness in the heart of all otaku, it needs to be as bleak as possible to get the message across.
 

Lain

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Tekken Movie

Lame. The fights in the last 20 minutes were OK
except the rocket punches
but everything else was meh.
 

Jex

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Wait, you're comparing K-On to out and out porn?

Are you serious?

I miss all the fun. For the most part, people had given up on bashing K-On (mainly because it wasn't airing) so I thought all these arguments had been taken back home and hung over over the fireplace. I suppose I was wrong.
 

jman2050

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I miss all the fun. For the most part, people had given up on bashing K-On (mainly because it wasn't airing) so I thought all these arguments had been taken back home and hung over over the fireplace. I suppose I was wrong.

Well the movie came out. It's to be expected.
 

Jex

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Episodes 14 and 15 just aren't very good. Fortunately those are the low points.

I don't know if I'd really go that far. The flashback in episode 15 was informative and well done and the whole episode was pretty effective, even with those really poor scenes near the start and the end.
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[...]It's just that MPD just doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, and it shows, and it's... sort of sad.

As far as I can tell, it has a pretty good understanding of what it's about. It's just not interested into falling under neat 'genre' titles, even if certain specific episodes can be classed one way or another, the show as a whole has more variety than that.
 
It's always inspiring to see a Jexhius catch-up session in progress.

It's only because the world is ruined and barren. But not ruined so badly that you can't have spin-kicks.

I have to say, I'm impressed at how consistently excellent the action animation is in Casshern Sins, particularly for such a slow-paced and meditative show.
 

Jex

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Oniisama e 20

Fukiko has the best rage scenes ever.
You're finally at the half-way point! Congratulations. 20-30 might be favourite run of the whole show but then again, it's hard to say. I like the work as a whole quite a bit, as you might have gathered from my continued championing of it.
Anyone know if Crunchyroll is legit? Thought about signing up. Anywhere else I should look?

They're a bunch of filthy pirates-turned legitimate businessmen who positively support the anime industry through embracing new technologies to reach audiences in a manner that traditional DVD sales would not, therefore making more money for everyone.

The bastards.
Ben-To 09: Normally I'm down for anime with hot yuri action, but this is a Shiraume episode. It was boring. :/
I guess you could say that the meal is done and only scraps remain on the plate.
Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo Boring film by Shinkai. Feels like a weak Ghibli film, I'm talking Howl's Moving Castle/Tales from Earthsea bad.

Is there any need to be so brutal? That's just really mean.
 
Gintama 171

This show doesn't have my favorite OP/EDs, but it definitely has my favorite OP/ED jokes.

Have you gotten to the songs yet? Did you shed tears? I know I did.

Which songs? The insert song in episode 8 felt a little weird and out-of-place. I've been shedding a lot of tears though, don't worry.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
As far as I can tell, it has a pretty good understanding of what it's about. It's just not interested into falling under neat 'genre' titles, even if certain specific episodes can be classed one way or another, the show as a whole has more variety than that.

Knowing what it's about is different than knowing what it "is". Genre fusions can work out very well as well, so I'm not exactly expecting a neat little "comedy" or "drama" or anything like that. Hidan no Aria was some bizarre combination of comedy, action, and high school drama and that shit worked out perfectly because the mix was homogeneous. The more heterogeneous mix of Mawaru Penguin Drum creates interesting and very effective mood dissonance at times, but others it exactly shows the weakness of the mix and lack of cohesion to that mix. The themes are obvious, what MPD is about is clear. Family for better or worse, loss, and moving on from loss are the primary three, not including fate.

What the show's about doesn't bother me, it's how it communicates that. and while I very much enjoy the show when it communicates it right, episodes like 15 "Savior of the World" (the worst offender) end up with conflicting messages, lowering the potential impact and trivializing any emotional trauma that the characters are feeling only to expect us to take it seriously later on. There's no meaning behind it, and while I still enjoy it, Mawaru Penguin Drum has alot of serious issues with its structure and writing in relation to its genre mix. It just doesn't work sometimes, and it shows, blatantly, and in the end, I feel used, the bad used.

Anyway, now to my weekly joy~

Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing 8

This show has really really grown on my since the episode where Fam went doormat to the princess. It was pretty strong up until that point, and while I still have my qualms over that early blip of writing, things have gotten much much better, and this episode was no exceptions. My eyes lit up the moment I started hearing (with a terrible Japanese accent)
Russian! Sky Russians! :D I guess they needed someone to counter the Sky Nazis.
It's just getting so awesome, and man they jammed alot of action and suspense into this episode too! The aerial battles were gorgeous, the corny CG was top notch, and I don't say that lightly. I did find it just a slight bit odd
that such an important element as their Claudia array was so exposed, making sinking such a flagship so easy
, but they made a reference to that earlier on in the show, so I suppose finding it odd now is a bit much.

Speaking of which, I now feel so bad
for Giselle! D: Poor Gisey, Fam left her behind in a last ditch effort to capture a Sky Nazi ship, and took Millia along instead! And to make it all worse, that amateur managed to hit the damned Claudia array! Something Giselle could never do! It's a nifty mirror to when Lavie got co-opted by Tatiana as Claus' navigator and sort of when Alister lost Tatiana in the same way. This will definitely drive some self-doubt in Giselle, and really drive some bitter conflict. While I definitely am excite for such drama, I feel so bad about Gisey. It's gonna make make me feel bad, man. D:
 
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Toriko went from being a good main character to being a not so good one.
What type of Main Character loses, and loses at such a vital and important moment!!!? Fortunately he went out in style with the Leg Kick
. But, Barley Tea and Orange Juice tastes like Apple Juice? by the time one gets Barley Tea they would have been better off buying Apple Juice.
 
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