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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Jexhius said:
Well, that sound's great, but we all know that you're not to be trusted once a show has mono no aware. Then again Junichi Sato is a pretty solid director, I suppose I will have to check it out.
If you've watched any SatoJun show, you know exactly what to expect with this one. (Not including Phi Brain, I assume!) For me, it's easily the show of the season and is basically what I wanted from it.

Oh, there's also a second of faux yuri for "you people" who enjoy such things. He's got you covered, that SatoJun.

Articalys said:
What do you mean "prequel"? Is there going to be confusion if you haven't seen the OVAs? What would one be missing out on?
Naw, it catches you up to speed fairly quickly. It makes me even more curious about what they focus of the show will be though. I'm going to guess that this time around it will be about making memories rather than reclaiming memories, but it's anyone's guess at this point.
 

Articalys

Member
firehawk12 said:
Naw, it catches you up to speed fairly quickly. It makes me even more curious about what they focus of the show will be though. I'm going to guess that this time around it will be about making memories rather than reclaiming memories, but it's anyone's guess at this point.
Does this mean that watching the OVAs then this would be redundant?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Unknown Soldier said:
Dynedom said:
Does that make Usagi Drop / Penguindrum the cake?
Are you saying that UD and Hurrdurr are lies?
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Articalys said:
Does this mean that watching the OVAs then this would be redundant?
Hrm... no, but that's because the OVA was basically Yoshida/SatoJun porn. I think there's enough there as its own text that you can get something out of it, since the mono no aware moments are framed completely differently. The first episode of ~hitotose~ is definitely mono no aware framed within a catch-up episode, so it's much more upfront with the bittersweet tears porn. The OVA paces it fairly perfectly across the four episodes, so the emotional pay off becomes the climax, rather than a means to an end as it is here in the first episode.
 

Cwarrior

Member
Horizon 1

Don't what went on, just half a billion badly design characters jumped on screen to talk that future fantasy anime jargon.

Big surprise is Sunrise went all out on this.
 

Branduil

Member
Cwarrior said:
Horizon 1

Don't what went on, just half a billion badly design characters jumped on screen to talk that future fantasy anime jargon.

Big surprise is Sunrise went all out on this.
Oh, I don't think that's any surprise.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
icarus-daedelus said:
You should try bringing harems back into style too though. I'm pretty sure those have never been viable unless you're a wealthy sultan or a lion, but I have faith in you macodin.

Of course anime harems are different than those of sultans and lions in that they are never consummated, so there's that to keep in mind.
Kore wa harem flag desu ka? ?!?

All kidding aside I have a strong aversion to the unnecessary which I think a harem would fall under.

First off, considering the emotional range of the classic anime character falls between something and indifference if I were to translate that to the real world anyone anywhere I have any feeling whatsoever towards is already part of my harem and vice-versa.

Second, if there's no consummation there's already a tier of friendship that accomplishes this exact same thing.

Lastly, I can walk around someone in a circle, all I gotta do is rearrange the office, I guess you could say I don't have to worry about not being able to accomplish this where as a harem I would have to live with the sting of not having accomplished it even if it was more trouble than it'd be worth to succeed in the first place.
 

Geneijin

Member
zeroshiki said:
Someone was arguing this in this thread a couple days ago. "You can't understand the 1st episode because you didn't read the book!" Yeah no shit, that's why I'm watching the show.
Nah, that's not right. The argument was because the prologue in the visual novel was so front-loaded, it's acceptable that the anime's first episode was like so since it was also a fairly faithful adaptation of that very prologue. It was expected and probably one of the best course of actions they did by getting all that out of the way in one instance, so they wouldn't have to adapt and pace the exposition throughout. Or something like that.
 

zeroshiki

Member
Geneijin said:
Nah, that's not right. The argument was because the prologue in the visual novel was so front-loaded, it's acceptable that the anime's first episode was like so since it was also a fairly faithful adaptation of that very prologue. It was expected and probably one of the best course of actions they did by getting all that out of the way in one instance, so they wouldn't have to adapt and pace the exposition throughout. Or something like that.

Nah, there was a dude who came in and said that the complainers didn't read the book so we can't complain.
 
Prison Break 225-226

Warden got some crazy development. It's hard to pull off
making a character go from a hateable jerk to a troubled sympathetic atoner.
Very well done.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
icarus-daedelus said:
Your sister is bad people, Reg. >:c
I didn't teach her the right ways of anime fandom. :(

We actually used to watch Ranma 1/2 together when it was on the telly. I don't know where I let her go astray.
 

Geneijin

Member
zeroshiki said:
Nah, there was a dude who came in and said that the complainers didn't read the book so we can't complain.
Nah, pretty sure that's the argument both of them were trying to make. Because the prologue was exposition heavy, the anime would/should faithfully adapt that; hence, it's entirely acceptable.

PataHikari said:
This is retarded.

The show just STARTED, did any of you read the START of the novel?

It was people talking there too. What did you expect?
Explosions and fights right off the bat?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31433868&postcount=3141

Marrshu said:
Fate/Zero was an actual novel, tho? And this was merely the prologue. If you were expecting anything else, then what the hell?

Might I add, they followed the prologue fairly faithfully.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31435272&postcount=3197

Marrshu said:
Speak for yourself. Having read the original novel, I expected nothing else.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31435432&postcount=3202

Marrshu said:
I honestly don't know what he was expecting. The first episode was going to be all talking, and it's not like they're going to waste a huge amount of the budget on it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31436010&postcount=3218

Marrshu said:
It is an adaption for the fans, after all, and they look happy with it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31436236&postcount=3229

Marrshu said:
Didn't exactly make for the most interesting or well written prologue either in the original novel. You're talking about something that was a fault with the source material, not a byproduct of ufotable's animation.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31436269&postcount=3231
 

Lain

Member
zeroshiki said:
Nah, there was a dude who came in and said that the complainers didn't read the book so we can't complain.
What I think he said was that it was the same way in the book and "complainers" wouldn't have expected anything different if they had read the book.
 

Geneijin

Member
Lain said:
What I think he said was that it was the same way in the book and "complainers" wouldn't have expected anything different if they had read the book.
So we shouldn't complain because we would have complained about it already if we had? :lol
 

zeroshiki

Member
Lain said:
What I think he said was that it was the same way in the book and "complainers" wouldn't have expected anything different if they had read the book.

Ok, so I don't want to kick the guy while he's down but...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31433868&postcount=3141

This is retarded.

The show just STARTED, did any of you read the START of the novel?

It was people talking there too. What did you expect? Explosions and fights right off the bat?

The bolded asks if we've read the novel. I was saying in my earlier post that it didn't matter if we read the novel, that wasn't the point.

I think we're talking over each other. I don't deny that they were saying that we shouldn't expect more since that was what was in the book but I am saying that this guy took it one step further and told people that if they had read the book they would have understood the glory fo Fate/Zero or something.
 

InfiniteNine

Rolling Girl
Geneijin said:
At least my nakama I9 understands our qualms, right? =)
That I do friend~!

zeroshiki said:
I am saying that this guy took it one step further and told people that if they had read the book they would have understood the glory of Fate/Zero or something.
Didn't exactly make for the most interesting or well written prologue either in the original novel.
All praises there.
 

Geneijin

Member
zeroshiki said:
I think we're talking over each other. I don't deny that they were saying that we shouldn't expect more since that was what was in the book but I am saying that this guy took it one step further and told people that if they had read the book they would have understood the glory fo Fate/Zero or something.
I don't think that was it at all. Basically, he was saying the episode was perfectly excusable because it was like that in the novel too, which is... yeah.

Lain said:
I have no idea, we should ask him once he's back from his vacation!
If he comes back.

InfiniteNine said:
That I do friend~!
I knew you were the best.
 

zeroshiki

Member
Lain said:
I have no idea, we should ask him once he's back from his vacation!

You're just as likely to get an ad hominem attack as you are to get an answer. Perhaps the former.

InfiniteNine said:
All praises there.

So what was the excuse?

Geneijin said:
I don't think that was it at all. Basically, he was saying the episode was perfectly excusable because it was like that in the novel too, which is... yeah.

Eh, we're now getting into how we read it. Either way, its a stupid argument that deserves to be made fun of.
 
Planetes 20

Crazy way to deal with a test.
Don't know how practical lowering your body temperature is though when your on Jupiter with no rescue teams around though. Locksmit dude shouldn't let that fly.
 

Geneijin

Member
zeroshiki said:
Either way, its a stupid argument that deserves to be made fun of.
I'll attest to that.

Ratrat said:
City Hunter 1-4. I was expecting something much less juvenile.
does he ever get any? :p
I wonder if it's like the manga.

InfiniteNine said:
Pretty sure he was just upset everyone was writing it off so early.
Judging by the page from where his comment is, it's either that, which I think he misunderstands people complaining of a bad episode versus entirely writing the series off, or he got really upset with the trainwreck comments, which is understandable although the Blood-C comparison has a few different connotations here and everywhere else :lol
 

Branduil

Member
You just can't understand how great it is because you were never in a band. Just like people who dislike Oreimo must not have sisters.
 

Steroyd

Member
A Black Falcon said:
In anime there usually is.

This mindset is exactly what is making you see things that aren't there.

In anime there's a beach episode.
In anime the male lead is scared of women.
In anime there's a tsundere.
In anime everyone is in highschool.
etc.

Just because it happens in anime doesn't apply to ALL anime, otherwise you'd not watch anime's for the sole fact that it's an anime.

Incest in anime doesn't happen as often as you think, as to paint such a think brush.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
Gintama 228

New OP is a bit too "serious business" for my liking. New ED is alright though I didn't notice a coach gag in this one.
Storyline was great. Comedy arcs are the best arcs.
 
Bakatest 2 13 - Meh, a mediocre ending. This episode was better than most of the episodes this season, sure, but that's mostly because of how weak most of the season was... I definitely liked ep. 12 more. Still, I did find the ending entertainingly Bakatest, sure it's no ending, but it fits the tone of the series quite well... if the series doesn't continue, though, I'll have wished that they'd have given it some kind of resolution.
I mean, at the end Akihisa still somehow doesn't quite seem to get that both girls like him... as it has been all season, he's immune to blatant hints, being told, or anything else. He doesn't understand that Kubo likes him either, even though he has been directly told that multiple times, by everyone.
It's ... really stupid.

At the end
Himeji whispers in his ear that she has a crush on him and kisses him on the cheek, but the ending doesn't make it clear if he actually understands her this time, or if his magical "I do not understand the concept of romance" barrier is still in effect
.

Oh, and yes, in the rest of the episode before that, they save the day, our characters' grade wins, Akihisa and Yuuji provide the final blow yet again. It's all quite predictable stuff. Sometimes entertaining, but predictable.

Overall, season two of Bakatest was disappointing. I"m not sure if I hope for a third season or not, though... perhaps? Even though season 2 was definitely disappointing, enough parts were interesting that I wouldn't mind a third season, I think. Apart from sales (I wonder how well this is selling...), it probably partially depends on the status of the source material, and of that I have no clue.

Steroyd said:
This mindset is exactly what is making you see things that aren't there.
No, that you're in denial of that fact is why this argument continues, even though by saying that somehow Oreimo isn't about incest you pretty much show how willing you are to ignore the obvious. Just because it's less obvious in Mayo Chiki than it is there doesn't mean it's not there.

In anime there's a beach episode.
In anime the male lead is scared of women.
In anime there's a tsundere.
In anime everyone is in highschool.
etc.

Just because it happens in anime doesn't apply to ALL anime, otherwise you'd not watch anime's for the sole fact that it's an anime.

Incest in anime doesn't happen as often as you think, as to paint such a think brush.
True, usually isn't always, you are right. But "usually" means usually, and Mayo Chiki isn't much of an exception to the norm.
 

zeroshiki

Member
So are you saying that ANY anime with siblings automatically has incest undertones? Because that's what it seems like.

Anytime a brother protects his sister or something, that automatically makes it incest in your eyes? o_O
 
Steroyd said:
This mindset is exactly what is making you see things that aren't there.

In anime there's a beach episode.
In anime the male lead is scared of women.
In anime there's a tsundere.
In anime everyone is in highschool.
etc.

Just because it happens in anime doesn't apply to ALL anime, otherwise you'd not watch anime's for the sole fact that it's an anime.

Incest in anime doesn't happen as often as you think, as to paint such a think brush.

I don't know, the idea of incest is very is integrated in animes but yeah is often just an idea or the imagination of incest. Like the cute and pure moe girl without libido.
 
zeroshiki said:
So are you saying that ANY anime with siblings automatically has incest undertones? Because that's what it seems like.

Anytime a brother protects his sister or something, that automatically makes it incest in your eyes? o_O
No, not every sibling in anime, of course not... it's very common, but not THAT common. :) It is something you need to look at on a case by case basis of course, based on the stereotypical anime signs of siblings liking eachother.
 

Steroyd

Member
A Black Falcon said:
No, that you're in denial of that fact is why this argument continues, even though by saying that somehow Oreimo isn't about incest you pretty much show how willing you are to ignore the obvious. Just because it's less obvious in Mayo Chiki than it is there doesn't mean it's not there.

Oreimo isn't about incest, it plays on incest and trolls those who went into the show expecting it.

True, usually isn't always, you are right. But "usually" means usually, and Mayo Chiki isn't much of an exception to the norm.

When you say "usually" how many shows per season has incest in it? Because I usually only see 1 maybe 2 shows with incest or obvious incestious tones to it out of 16 shows on average per season.

Edit: LMAO at ABF's tag.
 
Steroyd said:
Oreimo isn't about incest, it plays on incest and trolls those who went into the show expecting it.
This has been argued about so many times before that I don't want to even start, but while thati s partially true, it's also partially completely wrong.

I mean, first, right from the first episode so many of the signs of incest-baiting show up, and just because they don't start having a relationship immediately, the show keeps going back and forth on whether to deny it or up the ante on the baiting, etc, it doesn't mean that it's not there, and it's there for a reason too.

Basically, if one of the ideas of the show is to provide bait for incest fans, pull back before confirming anything, and then rinse and repeat, I don't think you can in any way say that it's not a show about (potential) incest... it is, of course.

When you say "usually" how many shows per season has incest in it? Because I usually only see 1 maybe 2 shows with incest or obvious incestious tones to it out of 16 shows on average per season.
That's possible, sure. It is, obviously, the most common in harem shows, and hentai of course. In other genres... sometimes, sometimes not.

Edit: LMAO at ABF's tag.
That tag should mention anime, because as it is it's completely stupid and false.
 
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