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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds
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Horizon is awesome. I don't get the hate. It's certainly a good idea to turn off all cognitive and logical regions of your brain before watching it, but if you did, you'll be rewarded with 25 minutes of very enjoyable insanity. Even better: the show knows it's pointless and stupid to the nth degree and just runs with it.
HisshouBuraiKen
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I'm translating Fate/Zero for Crunchyroll! Sign your asses up and enjoy the superior version ;D
I liked F/SN so I have high hopes for this. I will say the first (very dialogue-heavy double) episode spends a lot of time painting the backstory for the universe, the families, and the Grail War, so it seems like they're going to take their time setting up the story and developing the characters. Ending left me wanting more too, I may have to grab the light novels at some point.
I think all the dialogue is me getting comeuppance for having it pretty easy with Mitsudomoe and Morita-san wa Mukuchi
I liked F/SN so I have high hopes for this. I will say the first (very dialogue-heavy double) episode spends a lot of time painting the backstory for the universe, the families, and the Grail War, so it seems like they're going to take their time setting up the story and developing the characters. Ending left me wanting more too, I may have to grab the light novels at some point.
I think all the dialogue is me getting comeuppance for having it pretty easy with Mitsudomoe and Morita-san wa Mukuchi
Regulus Tera
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When there's seven minutes of people just straight talking it is not easy to ignore all that talking.wsippel said:
Hunter x Hunter (original) 01 - 03 vs Hunter x Hunter (new) 01
As someone who had forsaken starting the orignal run months ago when the reboot was announced, and with the general impressions in here, I ended up watching both... yeah. @_@
If you hadn't watched hunter x hunter I echo whoever said watch the first 3 episodes of the original, lots of stuff was missed out that gave it enough context for Gon's actions, and pretty much like the beginning of FMA Brotherhood, it looks like they're going to rush through to the point of unfamiliarity of those who watched the orignal run, that said it all depends on how close an adaption to the manga the original run was.
As someone who had forsaken starting the orignal run months ago when the reboot was announced, and with the general impressions in here, I ended up watching both... yeah. @_@
If you hadn't watched hunter x hunter I echo whoever said watch the first 3 episodes of the original, lots of stuff was missed out that gave it enough context for Gon's actions, and pretty much like the beginning of FMA Brotherhood, it looks like they're going to rush through to the point of unfamiliarity of those who watched the orignal run, that said it all depends on how close an adaption to the manga the original run was.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
HisshouBuraiKen said:
That's squidding inkredible!
PdotMichael
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firehawk12 said:
The "Queen Esquidzabeth" joke was superb!
Jex
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That was me. I don't recommend the original because I think the newer series is completely awful, but simply because the original adaptation was excellent and they clearly have no intention of covering the starting material in the same level of depth as the first series.Steroyd said:
In other words, they're going to barrel through the start of the manga because the older show has already covered it, which is fine...if you're already familiar with the material. If you're not, then there's a lot you're missing.
Even if we ignore the whole "purity of the adaptation/preserving the story" argument, then I'll point out that the first episode of the episode of the original was far better in terms of pacing, direction and aesthetics.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
We'll be her squidjects!PdotMichael said:
PdotMichael
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Jexhius said:
I am very disappointed in you. The opening song is not just a anime song but art!
the anime is maybe (or most likely) shit but I want the OST
Jex
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It's not even a "turn off your brain" and you'll enjoy it kind of show. It's more like: saw open your head with a buzz saw, extract your brain with an ice-cream scoop and then watch the show. Perhaps once you're a zombie you wont notice that it's an offence to all that is right and proper in anime, or television shows, any visual medium and storytelling as a whole.wsippel said:
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
firehawk12 said:
I chuckled. Next will be Harry Potter playing Squittage.
That's because this is pretty much limited to Japan only thanks to rigorous IP blocking efforts from the tournament organizers. Other contests, like ISML, are open worldwide and tend to have much higher vote counts, like this result from their final match last year:mAcOdIn said:
hosannainexcelsis
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From the brief glance I took at the manga, the new Hunter x Hunter seems to be following it very closely (besides the part it skipped), probably closer than the original anime. It's just that the original's more leisurely approach to the subject matter allows it more time to set up atmosphere and characterization as opposed to the breezy, shallow pace of the new one.Steroyd said:
Honestly, it's difficult for me to criticize the new series for the approach that it's taking with the beginning material. It's been long enough that they can't just start where the OVAs left off, but at the same time they're not guaranteed an unlimited number of episodes and the remake will be a waste if they can't reach the unadapted manga material. It's not an ideal situation to be in.
PdotMichael
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Articalys said:That's because this is pretty much limited to Japan only thanks to rigorous IP blocking efforts from the tournament organizers. Other contests, like ISML, are open worldwide and tend to have much higher vote counts, like this result from their final match last year:
the world sucks
I'm planning out my comic-con NYC schedule. There is a lot of anime fun to be had especially on that second day. I'll be watching Guilty Crown episodes 1-2 as a start. A lot of other stuff going on like Fairy Tale, Naruto, 5 cm/sec, etc... I'll definitely going to eat lunch when watching Place Promised in our Early Days.
hosannainexcelsis said:
Yeah, I'm understanding of the situation they're in because it was a similar situation with Fullmetal Alchemist they don't want to linger too long on what has already been covered for those who watched the original already.
Of course if someone tells me that the original HxH diverges from the manga completely (if it does) at x point, then like Fullmetal Alchemist, it'll be a no brainer of what to watch and what to wait for.
Jexhius said:
...I'm going to go ahead and say that you're approaching it wrong. It's incredibly evident that the series is not taking itself seriously in the slightest--including every archtype in anime history, consciously forced exposition, a pop ost, extreme tits/flat chests, and flashy fights. Why waste your time looking for something it's obviously not?
And yet they somehow end up with even worse results.Articalys said:That's because this is pretty much limited to Japan only thanks to rigorous IP blocking efforts from the tournament organizers. Other contests, like ISML, are open worldwide and tend to have much higher vote counts, like this result from their final match last year:
Jex
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I don't know if you can really approach a show 'wrong'. You can come at a show with preconceptions (which I'm sure most people do) but once you actually sit down to experience what the show really is those aren't particularly relevant.Miri said:
The actual content, intent, tone, story etc is irrelevant when the presentation is so terrible. You can have 'dumb fun', lowest-common-denominator type shows. However, stuff like Code Geass and Highschool of the Dead are actually constructed in a way that isn't terrible - they aren't boring or terribly placed or wholly nonsensical.
If it takes being a zombie to have fun, I'm glad to be a zombie.Jexhius said:
EDIT: Sorry, Haruhi is shit. Honest to god shit. If you think it has any redeeming qualities, you're wrong. Even the first episode of Horizon is a billion times better than anything even remotely Haruhi related could ever hope to be.
Jex
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This position seems a bit...extreme, even if you don't like Haruhi as a show. It's character designs, cinematography, photography, animation, script and editing are all far better than Horizon. I think Haurhi is a pretty weak series, but it's actually constructed very well.wsippel said:
The same cannot be said of Horizon, which is a random selection of scenes slotted together with no rhyme or reason.
They're not. Horizon definitely has better character designs. At least they're imaginative and not generic as fuck. Haruhi's script make just as much (or little (or even less)) sense, and Horizon definitely has better animations. Dunno about editing, don't remember Haruhi all that well. But it's probably worse in that aspect as well.Jexhius said:
Also: Fuck rhyme and reason.
PdotMichael
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If you read the wsippel postings with a kid voice, it's at least a little funny.
I liked the Haruhi S1 anime very much. I think The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina as first episode was an great idea.
I liked the Haruhi S1 anime very much. I think The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina as first episode was an great idea.
hosannainexcelsis
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I couldn't make it through the first episode of Horizon, but its setting seemed incredibly convoluted and nonsensical, what with the whole needed to recreate early eras of history for some bizarre reason and when the annals of history stop the world will end thing, whereas Haruhi is very straightforwardly about a world much like our own to which an unknowingly omnipotent force has thrown in some sci-fi elements. Haruhi is definitely the better written story.
It took me a piss to even remember who Kyon was. So no. No visible direction, no interesting story, no likable characters. Smugdouche might be an asshole, but at least I can relate to him. Kyon is a faceless loser. And Haruhi is just as abusive, but far less likable than even Louise from Zero no Something.Branduil said:
Jex
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Well, they're a different variety of generic, yes.wsippel said:
There is character animation in Horizon, but it's not very impressive. Certainly nothing near the level of a KyoAni production.wsippel said:
A show can be well made and still bad. Hollywood movies have been well made for decades, but that doesn't make them good. Haurhi, like Nichijou and K-On!, is a very well made show.
Not that I'm hear to argue about which of two shows I don't really like is the least bad.
The problem with animu these days, and the problem we have thread titles like these, is that people think there has to be more to it. There's not. It's entertainment. That's what it's supposed to be. If I have to think about a show, look for a deeper meaning that actually really isn't there, it failed at the one quality it's supposed to have. Haruhi fails. Evangelion fails. Madoka fails. All those shows are actually terrible, but they're so unbelievably bad that people try to see something in them that simply isn't there. I take tits and explosions over philosophical, metaphysical bullshit any day of the week. Because anime authors simply aren't clever enough to do that stuff, and anything I'd try to see in those shows would be my very own imagination. It's not my job to pat somebody's back for something I made up myself.
And by the way, I have nothing against KyoAni. They did FMP, which is one of my favorite shows, anime or otherwise, ever. That shit was honest. No bullshit, no deeper meaning - it was simply there to entertain the viewer, and it succeeded.
Then again, I guess I have a very different taste than most of anime GAF, so feel free to ignore my ramblings. What I wrote is just my opinion. I hate pretentious bullshit, and I consider many beloved anime shows pretentious bullshit.
And by the way, I have nothing against KyoAni. They did FMP, which is one of my favorite shows, anime or otherwise, ever. That shit was honest. No bullshit, no deeper meaning - it was simply there to entertain the viewer, and it succeeded.
Then again, I guess I have a very different taste than most of anime GAF, so feel free to ignore my ramblings. What I wrote is just my opinion. I hate pretentious bullshit, and I consider many beloved anime shows pretentious bullshit.
Evangelion certainly isn't terrible. It's rather weak (but very entertaining) in the writing department, but it's amazingly directed and animated (well, the mechs at least.)wsippel said:
Perhaps you should quit thinking that everyone likes shows for the same reason. Also, all of that stuff has really nothing to do with more technical aspects of shows like animation and such, which you tried to argue against Haruhi as well.
Well, that's true enough. It's wrong on its own terms, it doesn't need a gif. I don't even think Evangelion, Madoka, and Haruhi are true top-echelon shows, but they're all very well-made and are mostly entertaining. People like them because they're not boring and they have interesting direction and visuals.wsippel said:
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