CherryWoodFuton
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The Knicks are probably just one solid C (and a D'antoni firing) away from becoming an elite team, the only problem is a good center is hard to come by
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2011 NBA Mar |OT| Now listening to the Stan Van Gundy mixtape
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Justin Timberlake
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Rodeo Clown said:
Ah, thats really disappointing news. Poor Grizz kids...just when they were having a good season.
I still think they will give us a good fight but this is a huge blow...
CherryWoodFuton
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Yea I mean my mind draws a complete blank when I have to name another good center after I say Dwight HowardSephCast said:
ItWasMeantToBe19
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CherryWoodFuton said:
If you don't need any O, Bogut is great and may regain the use of his arm next season! The Knicks have no ability whatsoever to get him though.
soundscream
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DCX said:
Keep DCX away from sharp objects.
Justin Timberlake
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SephCast said:
Joakim Noah + a godlike coach is 2-3 rings minimum.
It doesn't take Melo, Amare, Billups, and Dwight to win a ring in this league lol. Its not that hard. The MIA and NYK talent stockpiles have made us lose our bearings on what a real championship team is like. Not once in NBA history has a ring been won without a legendary coach. Its a prerequisite to greatness, plain and simple.
CherryWoodFuton
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And who is this league is a "god-like coach" thats willing to take the reigns? Phil is retiring, Doc Rivers is retiring, Sloan is through with basketball, Riley is ours, Popovich is gonna retire a Spur
captmcblack
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The Knicks will be coached by Jerry Sloan...I'm calling it.
They have perhaps the ultimate pick-and-roll weapon in Amare Stoudemire, a top-10 weapon on offense in Carmelo Anthony (who can make it easier for STAT to get free for pnr offense) and a savvy veteran PG who can and will impose both his pace and the coach's directive on the game in Chauncey Billups. They have a hard-nosed do-it-all youth who is eminently coachable in Landry Fields, a decent backup PG/combo guard in Douglas, and reasonably valuable glue players with useful offensive and defensive functions in the likes of Jeffries, Mason, Walker and Shawne Williams.
Get a quasi-competent center - literally anyone that is 6'11 and can actually defend and rebound against other centers - so that the likes of Turiaf, Mr. Candace Parker and Jeffries are only bench players, and we're good.
Coach Sloan future.
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firesloan.com 1.5 years after that.
They have perhaps the ultimate pick-and-roll weapon in Amare Stoudemire, a top-10 weapon on offense in Carmelo Anthony (who can make it easier for STAT to get free for pnr offense) and a savvy veteran PG who can and will impose both his pace and the coach's directive on the game in Chauncey Billups. They have a hard-nosed do-it-all youth who is eminently coachable in Landry Fields, a decent backup PG/combo guard in Douglas, and reasonably valuable glue players with useful offensive and defensive functions in the likes of Jeffries, Mason, Walker and Shawne Williams.
Get a quasi-competent center - literally anyone that is 6'11 and can actually defend and rebound against other centers - so that the likes of Turiaf, Mr. Candace Parker and Jeffries are only bench players, and we're good.
Coach Sloan future.
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firesloan.com 1.5 years after that.
Justin Timberlake
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CherryWoodFuton said:
Iunno Knicks are fucked lol
But don't act like new great coaches don't show up. Its just a matter of finding them. Thibs is going to be around in CHI for a long, long time for example.
The Frankman
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Knicks don't even need a balanced Center... Hell just grab a 7-footer who can guard centers and block the occasional shot. He doesn't have to have offensive talent, but the ability to hit jumper would help...
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I'M SO SORRY DCX THAT'S FROM THE GAME WE WENT TO!!
CherryWoodFuton
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In all honesty I think the Knicks need a coach that can actually teach those motherfuckers how to play defenseThe Crimson Blur said:
captmcblack
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Knicks can bring it all in the family too, maybe.
Coach Patrick Ewing, assistant coach Mark Jackson?
Any coaching change that can bring about the following things:
- a focus on defense
- an offensive focus on scoring via pnrs or screens
- the firing of Herb Williams (or at least making him a team ambassador instead of a coach)
would be a worthwhile thing for the Knicks.
Who are the hot assistants nowadays? No college coaches, though. :x
Coach Patrick Ewing, assistant coach Mark Jackson?
Any coaching change that can bring about the following things:
- a focus on defense
- an offensive focus on scoring via pnrs or screens
- the firing of Herb Williams (or at least making him a team ambassador instead of a coach)
would be a worthwhile thing for the Knicks.
Who are the hot assistants nowadays? No college coaches, though. :x
DCX
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This is why:captmcblack said:
Yeah, they do...Knicks have no idea how to use their once again mismatched pieces, and once again they are structurally flawed in ways that are antithetical to winning a basketball game:
- Knicks are undersized tremendously, which means
- Knicks cannot rebound effectively, which means
- Opposition gets easy baskets and extra possessions because
- Knicks cannot defend, especially in the interior.
The tallest player the Knicks have is Ared Effries at 6'11". The other "centers" we have are Turiaf and Franklin the Turtle at 6'10" and 6'9" respectively. Amare has to play center, but never should. The Knicks have like, 27 swingmen/SFs, but no shooting guard that can play off the ball except for the rookie Landry Fields. Carmelo Anthony has joined a motion/run-and-gun offense that requires him to move around and move the ball around - 2 things he is not predisposed to doing on the court. The 2.5 PGs we have - Billups, Douglas, and Carter - are not quick enough to pick their heads up and move that ball into the front court when we have pick and rolls/motion. Felton, ironically, would be in god mode right now moving the ball to STAT and Anthony on pick and rolls or screens up the court.
This year will be exactly what it was going to be before the Anthony trade - we'll probably make the playoffs, we'll probably win some games and shock some people, we'll have a little excitement, and that'll be that. It is going to be what happens in this offseason - if there even is one - that decides what the future will hold. I'm not worried right now, but it's really frustrating to keep accepting losing under the guise of "they're sorting new players out, and the coach is learning to adjust with new parts". I've been doing that shit for way too long now. :x
- I didn't mind getting JR Smith from Denver. Fields is great but does not create his own shot and would be better suited to come off the bench. Fields doesn't play in crunch time due to this fact.
- Mozgof going to Denver sealed our fate. He was agile, played well in our system and was started to gell with the NBA game. He rebounded well, blocked shots and allowed Amar'e to roam free.
- When we had a chance to fix our size problem, with Earl Barron, Knick Legend, is there for the taking we took a project wing..and Jared jeffries. So, lets see...a frail charge taking specialist and a summer league athlete over a 7 footer? A seven footer than has played in this system, avergaed a double double with David Lee on the floor?!?!??! Fuck them
Now we have no D ( we had no D ) and no inside defense. They drive hard and all day, we couldn't stop them if we played a box and 1.
DCX
CherryWoodFuton
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We'll give you Spoelstra lolcaptmcblack said:
I think any assistant coach would jump at the opportunity to coach all that talent. Patrick Ewing as coach doesn't sound like a bad idea.
The Frankman
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Ewing contract doesn't expire yet, Starks already works for the Knicks. And there is no way I want MAMA DERE GOES DAT MAN working for the Knicks w/o any experience. There is one man who can help as an assistant coach and won't be intimidated of D'Antoni...
captmcblack
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Ahh, if only the Knicks could've retained one of Gallo/Chandler and Mozgov in that Anthony trade. We'd be so much less structurally flawed.
Felton/Gallo or Chandler/Randolph/Walker/pick/cash for Anthony/Billups/Carter.
D'antoni could've still had 3 point threats constantly to keep opposing defenses honest without having to hope and pray for Anthony to be accurate and Mason/Billups/Douglas/Fields to be hitting at an ungodly rate. We'd still have a competent center. We'd have enough space upfront to facilitate our PG play.
...ugh.
Felton/Gallo or Chandler/Randolph/Walker/pick/cash for Anthony/Billups/Carter.
D'antoni could've still had 3 point threats constantly to keep opposing defenses honest without having to hope and pray for Anthony to be accurate and Mason/Billups/Douglas/Fields to be hitting at an ungodly rate. We'd still have a competent center. We'd have enough space upfront to facilitate our PG play.
...ugh.
ToxicAdam said:
COTY Mike Brown would do well, with the Knicks. he'd finally have more than one decent player, so he would be free from the burden off drawing up redundant offensive sets.Spooks said:
I'd bet money on him taking the Knicks to the ECF.
COTY + two superstars = RINGS
and get him CP3? Sheeeeeeeiiiiit.
The Frankman
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SephCast said:
captmcblack
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I guess it's back to leaning on Mayo for the Grizz then, yeah?
captmcblack
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I was in a barber shop yesterday getting my customary light caesar when my barber suggested that the Knicks trade Carmelo to the Nets for Deron Williams and Brook Lopez.
I still tipped him, though.
I still tipped him, though.
kevo_huevo
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SephCast said:
most commentators have their pet phrases, but jackson's are pretty bad.
MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAN!
he also relies too much on the terms "knock down shooter" and "forcing the issue," which get pretty stale as the game goes on.
The Frankman
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I thought of doing a GAF drinking contest:
STEP INTO A RHYTHM JUMPSHOT (player takes flat-footed jumper)
HAND DOWN MAN DOWN (defender's hand clearly in face of shooter)
MAMA DERE GOES DAT MAN (when play doesn't involve player running at all)
I don't know if I want to promote alcohol poisoning.
STEP INTO A RHYTHM JUMPSHOT (player takes flat-footed jumper)
HAND DOWN MAN DOWN (defender's hand clearly in face of shooter)
MAMA DERE GOES DAT MAN (when play doesn't involve player running at all)
I don't know if I want to promote alcohol poisoning.
Sho_Nuff82
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captmcblack said:
Don't we have a better record over our last 10 than the Knicks?
The Frankman
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But you haven't blown as many 4th quarter leads as the Knicks over that stretch! HA!!!Sho_Nuff82 said:
...waitaminute.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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dIEHARD said:
To add to this point, with the lockout shortened season, there won't be time for Deron to hurt his wrist next season.
The Knicks were 22-15 on January 11. Since then they have gone 13-20.
In that time span, the Phoenix Suns have gone 20-12.
In that time span, the Denver Nuggets have gone 21-13.
Bonus:
Good job, Amare and Carmelo!
In that time span, the Phoenix Suns have gone 20-12.
In that time span, the Denver Nuggets have gone 21-13.
Bonus:
In that time span, the New Jersey Nets have gone 12-19.
Good job, Amare and Carmelo!
kevo_huevo
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The Frankman said:
you would promote death if you had to drink everytime mike breen says "puts it in!"
The Frankman
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At least he has a variety that he uses at semi-opportune times (BANG, IT'S GOOD!, *. UP AND IN!). When was the last time Jackson used his and was correct in his usage?kevo_huevo said:
Knicks got Carmelo in January? Also I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Heat got a whole training camp and some 50 games to gel and we evaluate the Knicks after 10. But point made, Knicks have played crappy basketball the last 2 months.
kevo_huevo
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The Frankman said:
I actually have Breen in my top 3 play-by-play announcers.
1. gdlk Gus Johnson
2. Kevin Harlan
3. Mike Breen
Analysts:
1. Doug Collins
2. Steve Kerr
Adam Blade
WWKC
*pokes Blackace*
The bigger point I'm trying to make is that both players weren't happy with their situation but still wanted to be on winning teams. The "Nets are really bad, why would Carmelo ever go there??" line was trotted out so much around every Carmelo-to-NJ trade rumor.The Frankman said:
I'm just pointing out that a) the situation they were in was better and/or in Carmelo's case, b) the Nets are just as bad as the Knicks in the past two months. But I guess that's what perceptions are all about.
Can the Knicks turn it around? Sure. But how they will do it I don't know. They don't have many assets at their disposal since the trade, there seems to be turmoil in the front office, 'Antoni sucks, and the CBA could be a huge hindrance for them in the free agent market. The Knicks are in a really big gamble right now with their Amare/Carmelo core. This upcoming off-season and what front-office moves Dolan makes will either turn this into a success or a very quick failure.
LiveFromKyoto
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Derwind said:
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"You have not affected the winning percentage of this team."
ROFL!
The Frankman
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I checked the Knicks' cap situation and really it depends what people think the Knicks need. They don't need a sign another major player here, just role players.reilo said:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm - I think this is updated.
Assuming Knicks pick up Chauncey Billups/Bill Walker's (lol) option, they'll have 8 or 9 players. Assume they bring over Jerome Jordan for the minimum, resign Fields to 4 mill a year (again, new salary structures) and sign the likes to an Earl Barron (1 year, 1 mill). Plus I don't think Knicks used their player exemption so they could spend a portion of it for Shawne Williams/Roger Mason Jr. (lol). Knicks seemed to like Derrick Brown, so we'll have to see what happens there, plus still have a 1st (draft a fucking big). Knicks DEFINITELY have to be more careful with their moves now, but the situation isn't dire.
Wow, Derwind broke the machine.
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