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2012-13 Dec NBA Season lOT2l It Wasn't Me, It Was Uncle Drew
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Adam Blade
WWKC
Black Mamba
Member
If Rose was the MVP 2 years ago, CP3 can easily be the MVP this year as Paul is obviously better than Rose and improves other players more and both players had ridiculously good benches during the season.
It's interesting to see the argument against CP3. Last year the team was him, griffin, and half of DeAndre Jordan and a shit bench and scrubs for 2 guards and he carried that team to the playoffs. Now that his team has a bench and only willie green playing like a scrub, he now has too much help to be MVP as they are blowing teams out consistently.
Chris Paul is one of the best players in the NBA and is the best player on his team which has the best record in the NBA. He's in the MVP conversation.
I think it's KD, CP3, and Bron. I don't care what Knicks-GAF wants, Melo isn't in the top 3 for me. He's having a great year but not as great as those 3 and has missed time. And yeah, I'd put Harden over Melo too. Come at me.
It's interesting to see the argument against CP3. Last year the team was him, griffin, and half of DeAndre Jordan and a shit bench and scrubs for 2 guards and he carried that team to the playoffs. Now that his team has a bench and only willie green playing like a scrub, he now has too much help to be MVP as they are blowing teams out consistently.
Chris Paul is one of the best players in the NBA and is the best player on his team which has the best record in the NBA. He's in the MVP conversation.
I think it's KD, CP3, and Bron. I don't care what Knicks-GAF wants, Melo isn't in the top 3 for me. He's having a great year but not as great as those 3 and has missed time. And yeah, I'd put Harden over Melo too. Come at me.
Melo is just a one-dimensional player. Harden is definitely more worthy.
Red Blaster
Member
Melo has no serious chance at MVP
it just seems that way because he plays for the team with the simultaneously dumbest and loudest fanbase
it just seems that way because he plays for the team with the simultaneously dumbest and loudest fanbase
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I thought CP3 was the third most valuable player in the league last year. I don't think he is as valuable to his team this year and I don't think he's playing better basketball so him winning MVP would just seem strange to me after he wasn't really close to winning MVP last year.
Black Mamba
Member
The NY media is powerful. Thankfully, Melo's numbers will regress to the mean in the coming months which will put himself out of the conversation.
And there's always the potential for a Melo-Amar'e lineup being disastrous again.
But is anyone other than Durand and LBJ arguably more valuable?
It's also weird to me that CP3 getting better teammates now makes him less valuable. So the MVP should always go to a meh team that is decent to good because of 1 player rather than a great player playing great on a good to great team?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
CP3 is not MVP.
Dominican Power
Member
Why you so aggy? It's always that time of the month for you. You need to get that mangina checked out.
You're on your hands and knees praying for him to fall flat on his face, damn.
Black Mamba
Member
Nah, I like Melo. I don't want him to play worse because I like him. I just think it would be a loser's bet.
Although, I wouldn't want him in the MVP conversation as he's not one of the 5 best players in the NBA. And I'd honestly rather have like 10 other players than him, regardless. As was mentioned, he's a 1 dimensional player.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Stop acting like Lebron isn't going to easily moonwalk away with that MVP barring a huge collapse or Durant somehow becoming the first option on his team.
CP3 ain't winning shit, Melo ain't winning shit. They're both having amazing years, but what makes a regular season MVP is about as consistent and objective as a grammy award.
CP3 ain't winning shit, Melo ain't winning shit. They're both having amazing years, but what makes a regular season MVP is about as consistent and objective as a grammy award.
Black Mamba
Member
Shaq would have won multiple ones if that were the case. Media likes certain narratives. See: Nash, Iverson, Rose.
Now that Bron won his title, the media is also free to look elsewhere. They get bored. And let's not pretend they don't want to build up Durant vs Bron in numerous ways.
Dominican Power
Member
LeBron does what CP3/Melo do put together and then some.
Black Mamba
Member
Lebron is the best player in the NBA. MVP doesn't go to best player, though. Just ask Karl Malone.
Karl Malone was never going to win MVP and wasn't even close to being the clear winner in the way that LBJ has been.
You have to almost make up reasons for someone other than Lebron to win it.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
So many sports journalists have their "Back2Back MVP: He's like Jordan!" articles already typed up with their "DurantMVP: It was his turn, it's his league now!" in queue behind it just in case.
No one pre-writes an article singing of the triumphs of Carmelo Anthony, Melo taught them better.
The Clips would have to maintain the best record in the league for too long just to remind people that he's a candidate for MVP. If the season ended today the votes for CP would be dwarfed by Bron's and KD's.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Black Mamba
Member
You're making my argument for me. MJ should have been the MVP those years. People had to make up reasons to make Karl MVP over Jordan. And they did. (as they did with Iverson over Shaq in 2001)
They can do it again if need be. Not saying they will. But eventually if not this year, soon enough.
Not arguing against this. Just arguing CP3 deserves to be in the "top 3" conversation if we're listing top 3. I think Bron and Durant are the only two with a chance to win unless Clippers do something like win 65 games.
I just also don't understand the "CP3 has a bench therefore no MVP" argument. We just saw Rose win it with a great bench, so this isn't an argument against Paul. the argument should be "Durant and Lebron have been better."
Psychological Intellect
Banned
GremlinFool
Member
Durant's actually the better player this year, though.
Dominican Power
Member
Kobe is MVP : )
Psychological Intellect
Banned
In what way? Bron outclasses him in everything except scoring(difference of 2 points)
Neither of those guys are even that close though. KD is just McGrady'ing it up. LBJ is dominating on some other shit. Paul would need the Clippers to have the best record in the league by 10+ games to be taken seriously.
You may want to sit down for this one since you only watch Lakers games. AI deserved to win over Shaq too.
Durant isn't half the defender or passer that Lebron is.
He outclassed Drose in everything too, didn't win though
Psychological Intellect
Banned
So are we talking about who's likely to win or who's playing better?
GremlinFool
Member
Durant's not just a better scorer than LeBron, he's also much more efficient (Durant has been maintaining a legendary 65% TS% with a 122 (!!!) offensive rating, Bron's at 61%). Durant's the leader of the league's most efficient and dangerous offensive team, and he's taken huge strides as a playmaker this year as well. He's also an underrated defender, with a lower defensive rating than LeBron this year. He's also leading the league in win shares.
I'm not really sure what LeBron does better than Durant, to be frank. Balding?
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I will say that the Heat probably need to pick up their record for LeBron to win MVP this year.
Being 1 game ahead of the Hawks is a resume weaknesses I would say...
Being 1 game ahead of the Hawks is a resume weaknesses I would say...
If its better player I take lebron all day. I thought the discussion was still about MVP. Durant will win it this year though the Harden trade will guarantee it.
lol u funny
Psychological Intellect
Banned
Passing, defending, playmaking, ball handling,better finisher around the rim. I'm not sure what TS% is but Lebron has a higher FG%, more assists,more rebounds, more shit that happens in the game. Lebron can play every position cept center. I'd love to see Durant try and play point guard.
but you just said that KD is a better player this year.....
I never liked him. Selfish player, ball hog. Yeah he pulled him team into the finals in a historically weak conference, but he's an inefficient scorer and a terrible PG.
His Denver years were actually better.
Syphon Filter
Member
yea he buggin.
You might have me mixed up or something all i've said is KD will win MVP and that drose got it over lebron even though lebron was better and had a better season because of the teams record, hype, and voter fatigue.
same things will happen this year for KD and the harden trade with the weakened team aspect on top of it. Sort of like Nash's second MVP but less severe.
Next best players on the team are
Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, and Theo Ratliff
vs
Kevin Durant and James Harden
#selfish
Syphon Filter
Member
everything you said can be said for russel.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
holy shit..lolol I mixed you up with GremlinFool, my bad.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
As someone who really got into basketball in the late 90s, I can't hate on AI in the slightest. Yea he was a ballhog, he was delusional about his skills towards the end, was a bit of a cancer and could burn through money faster than Richard Pryor in Brewster's Millions...but he had so much heart and gave so many fucks.
This one's for you AI
This one's for you AI
Yea I need an avatar lol
Anyone want to make an avatar bet on who will win? I got Durant winning
Adam Blade
WWKC
Which streak gets broken first?
Black Mamba
Member
You're arguing who should be MVP. I'm not (I'd vote Bron too)
I'm arguing the media doesn't care. I think this year Bron is still in their favor, but next year they might get fatigued.
Oh please. He had a below average TS% and efg%. It was also in a really fucking shitty conference that season. He even played less games than Shaq.
Iverson was always a chucker. And not very efficient. The team was built around his scoring and he gets points for that (it was mostly get out of his way let him do his thing while we defend system) but you have to be way better than what he was for that to get you MVP. That was an average offensive team but a good defensive team which was built more on the backs of other players than Iverson (despite his high steals numbers). It's like arguing Rose over Lebron.
At no point in his career was Iverson more worthy of MVP or even should have been in the conversation for MVP between Shaq and Duncan. Not even in his best season. I really hope you're just baiting me and don't believe what you're saying.
Red Blaster
Member
Rebounds better and doesn't turn the ball over all the time
"We're sitting here, I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're in here talking about practice."
Yes, #selfish.
Westbrook playing in a historically weak conference?
When has AI averaged 8.7 assists for a season?
Syphon Filter
Member
mamba,why would they get tired?if lbj deserves it then they should always give it to him.