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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Fans understand trades are part of the game.

What pop did is not. And there was no advance warning at all

Except that Spurs fans would understand that the Spurs resting their players is part of the game as well. Most fans aren't understanding of the idea of trading for injured players either.

Regardless, the team that Stern owned last year obviously tanked with players milking their "injuries" for as long as possible so it's a joke for Stern to take issue now.

 

[giri]

Stern's job is to maximize profits, not care about the spurs' title chances.

Then stern should want the stars healthy.

This has nothing to do with stern other than him acting like a giant bitch to the media.

Pop broke no rules and just used a extremely common practice approved by the NBA.

Stop crying "someone think of the children" and go read the SI article. The money side is explained there.

 

[linsivvi]

Stern's job is to maximize profits, not care about the spurs' title chances.

Sure, but that doesn't mean he has unlimited power. If he try to go for a substantive sanction, the Spurs will challenge it and Stern will lose this in court. He has absolutely no case.

 

[SoulPlaya]

not really,they have some problems currently.

Told you.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Told you.

Fair enough.Spurs played well considering what they had to work with.

 

[Black Mamba]

Then stern should want the stars healthy.

This has nothing to do with stern other than him acting like a giant bitch to the media.

Pop broke no rules and just used a extremely common practice approved by the NBA.

Stop crying "someone think of the children" and go read the SI article. The money side is explained there.

Except there is no evidence benching his stars helps with health. So your argument falls flat.

Healthy players should play. Period.

It's up to stern to decide what is profitable and what is not. Not you. That's his job.

 

[cashman]

 

[theignoramus]

Karl sounds hoarse as fuck. is that guys health okay?

 

[Black Mamba]

Sure, but that doesn't mean he has unlimited power. If he try to go for a substantive sanction, the Spurs will challenge it and Stern will lose this in court. He has absolutely no case.

I am fairly certain the bylaws give stern the power he'd be using. Furthermore based on the MLB and McCourt stuff, I'd argue precedence is far on stern's side here and spurs would lose in court like McCourt did. Different issue but similar use of power regarding the best interests of the league.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Except there is no evidence benching his stars helps with health. So your argument falls flat.

Healthy players should play. Period.

It's up to stern to decide what is profitable and what is not. Not you. That's his job.

I don't know, the Spurs' old guys with that rest look pretty nice whereas Pau Gasol looks like a dead body this year after Mike Brown's idea that rest doesn't matter in basketball.

 

[Black Mamba]

Karl sounds hoarse as fuck. is that guys health okay?

Throat cancer survivor. Became horse ever since the chemo/treatment.

 

[Black Mamba]

I don't know, the Spurs' old guys with that rest look pretty nice whereas Pau Gasol looks like a dead body this year after Mike Brown's idea that rest doesn't matter in basketball.

Yeah pau looked worn down in the Olympics OH WAIT.

 

[theignoramus]

Throat cancer survivor. Became horse ever since the chemo/treatment.

but he sounds even worse tonight.

 

[KingGondo]

Bron to finish out his career as a Spur confirmed.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Except there is no evidence benching his stars helps with health. So your argument falls flat.

Healthy players should play. Period.

It's up to stern to decide what is profitable and what is not. Not you. That's his job.

rofl

 

[giri]

Except there is no evidence benching his stars helps with health. So your argument falls flat.

Healthy players should play. Period.

It's up to stern to decide what is profitable and what is not. Not you. That's his job.

You're right, giving players rest and managing their workload is not related to health, performance, or quality, at all, in anyway, what so ever. Frankly, i'm still at a loss as to why you have a bench in the NBA at all. All 5 starters should just be playing 48mpg. They're you're 5 best, right?

Fine any coach that uses subs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[obijkenobi]

I am fairly certain the bylaws give stern the power he'd be using. Furthermore based on the MLB and McCourt stuff, I'd argue precedence is far on stern's side here and spurs would lose in court like McCourt did. Different issue but similar use of power regarding the best interests of the league.

I'm sure NBA coaches and teams in general will love the fact that Stern has decided that he gets to make personnel decisions beyond vetoing league owned teams.

 

[etiolate]

In Mamba's defense, he has been watching Mike Brown coach for the past year.

 

[EvilMario]

Spurs bench is more entertaining to watch than the Raptor's starters. Fine the fuck out of the Raps until BC is out.

 

[SamuraiX-]

You're right, giving players rest and managing their workload is not related to health, performance, or quality, at all, in anyway, what so ever. Frankly, i'm still at a loss as to why you have a bench in the NBA at all. All 5 starters should just be playing 48mpg. They're you're 5 best, right?

Fine any coach that uses subs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Mamba's defense, he has been watching Mike Brown coach for the past year.

I'm dying here lmfao

 

[linsivvi]

I am fairly certain the bylaws give stern the power he'd be using. Furthermore based on the MLB and McCourt stuff, I'd argue precedence is far on stern's side here and spurs would lose in court like McCourt did. Different issue but similar use of power regarding the best interests of the league.

Don't follow baseball. Don't care, don't want to know.

So you are saying that you're certain Stern can heavily penalize a team, coach and/or player that did not break ANY rule, and the court of arbitration would be on his side? I am not sure you know how this stuff works.

In Mamba's defense, he has been watching Mike Brown coach for the past year.

So did I. Unlike him though, everyone here knew Mike Brown was terrible years ago.

 

[shira]

Spurs bench is more entertaining to watch than the Raptor's starters. Fine the fuck out of the Raps until BC is out.

Can we Popovich the season. Just send The NBDL Raptors out there.

 

[Emwitus]

Is someone actually arguing there is no evidence that rest is beneficial to a player?

 

[Tom Penny]

Is someone actually arguing there is no evidence that rest is beneficial to a player?

If they are in foul trouble it's justifiable.

 

[shira]

Is someone actually arguing there is no evidence that rest is beneficial to a player?

Risk of injury is probably the greatest factor - as opposed to "rest"

But the psychological game was won by pop. Master strategy

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Fuck any "fan" who would put seeing their favorite player live over having their team chip that year.

 

[Black Mamba]

You're right, giving players rest and managing their workload is not related to health, performance, or quality, at all, in anyway, what so ever. Frankly, i'm still at a loss as to why you have a bench in the NBA at all. All 5 starters should just be playing 48mpg. They're you're 5 best, right?

Fine any coach that uses subs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Fuck any "fan" who would put seeing their favorite player live over having their team chip that year.

Co-sign

 

[giri]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Congratulations

 

[Blackace]

Fuck any "fan" who would put seeing their favorite player live over having their team chip that year.

What if they don't chip?

Where is the line drawn?

 

[Black Mamba]

Don't follow baseball. Don't care, don't want to know.

So you are saying that you're certain Stern can heavily penalize a team, coach and/or player that did not break ANY rule, and the court of arbitration would be on his side? I am not sure you know how this stuff works.

I am not completely certain as I haven't read the bylaws. But I do know some of the legal history.

But that is what happened with McCourt and selig. Court was on his side even even though McCourt broke no rules. He was simply trying to agree to a below market tv deal and selig denied it. Then he put in his own people to run the team. It eventually led to an amicable transfer after a long battle but McCourt was going to lose badly in the end if the sale isn't something be agreed to.

Nba/nfl/MLB give broad powers to their commissioners and often use vague language to do so. Courts have historically backed them. These two situations are different but legally may be alike enough to draw such conclusions. I also doubt stern would end up doing something that takes him to court here.

On an aside, spurs owner has a high position with stern he'd probably lose challenging stern. Politics play a role too.

 

[Knux-Future]

why is this a big deal?

He rested his players....a coach can do that...


He doesn't owe anyone shit if he thinks it's best for his team then let him do it.

like seriously....of all the shit to talk about.

 

[NawidA]

Stern going after Pop is ridiculous. Fans bought tickets to a Heats-Spurs game and saw it. It was even competitive. Pop is playing to win. Stern should be going after teams that aren't.

 

[linsivvi]

I am not completely certain as I haven't read the bylaws. But I do know some of the legal history.

But that is what happened with McCourt and selig. Court was on his side even even though McCourt broke no rules. He was simply trying to agree to a below market tv deal and selig denied it. Then he put in his own people to run the team. It eventually led to an amicable transfer after a long battle but McCourt was going to lose badly in the end if the sale isn't something be agreed to.

Nba/nfl/MLB give broad powers to their commissioners and often use vague language to do so. Courts have historically backed them. These two situations are different but legally may be alike enough to draw such conclusions. I also doubt stern would end up doing something that takes him to court here.

On an aside, spurs owner has a high position with stern he'd probably lose challenging stern. Politics play a role too.

So you're now equating a situation where the commissioner taking over a team due to the owner's financial instability to a case where the commissioner threatens to punish a team just because he does not like which players they put on the court?

Ok.

 

[Black Mamba]

So you're now equating a situation where the commissioner taking over a team due to the owner's financial instability to a case where the commissioner threatens to punish a team just because he does not like which players they put on the court?

Ok.

The team had finances to operate. He stepped in to prevent what the mlb saw as a below market tv deal citing the best interest of the league.

If you know anything about law it's that scenarios don't have to be identical.

My point is there is legal precedence for a commissioner using authority to step in when no overt breaking of rules occur. Sports leagues operate very very different from other entities in th eyes of the law. Courts will bend backwards to give the league deference.

 

[snack]

lol

 

[linsivvi]

My point is there is legal precedence for a commissioner using authority to step in when no overt breaking of rules occur. Sports leagues operate very very different from other entities in th eyes of the law. Courts will bend backwards to give the league deference.

Totally different situation. Not even comparable.

If you think the court will allow the commissioner to take money away from coaches and players who did not break any rule other than the fact that he's pissed, then I don't know what to tell you.

What he can do though, is that in the future whenever a Spurs player or coach breaks a rule, he'll punish them heavier than he normally would. Thankfully he'll be gone from the league in 2 years. Adam Silver sounds like a much more reasonable guy.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Stern going after Pop looks dumb after that game tonight...

 

[Knux-Future]

He rested his players.



He has the right to do so. 4th game in 5 or so nights with an old team.

It happens. Pop has done this before. And will do it again.

Non-issue all over this bitch.

 

[SoulPlaya]

He rested his players.



He has the right to do so. 4th game in 5 or so nights with an old team.

It happens. Pop has done this before. And will do it again.

Non-issue all over this bitch.

Personally, I don't mind Pop doing it. He's the coach doing what he feels is best for his team. However, the fans should be allowed a refund, and since it's a Miami home game, Spurs ownership should pay for it. You can rest your players, but it should be fair to the paying fans.

 

[Knux-Future]

Personally, I don't mind Pop doing it. He's the coach doing what he feels is best for his team. However, the fans should be allowed a refund, and since it's a Miami home game, Spurs ownership should pay for it. You can rest your players, but it should be fair to the paying fans.

But it was a good game.

and they get to wtch LeBron fucking James, DWade, and.....Bosh on a daily basis.

If the Spurs got manhandled, they would put on a show and the home crowd would be hype.

Now if there are some Spurs fans in Miami, yeah they might be a bit sad, but they don't deserve shit.

Wizard fans a'int getting money back. Sixers fans a'int getting money back for every Bynum-less game. People dont get money back when a player gets sick at the last moment.

Stern can go choke on a fat one.

 

[Black Mamba]

Totally different situation. Not even comparable.

If you think the court will allow the commissioner to take money away from coaches and players who did not break any rule other than the fact that he's pissed, then I don't know what to tell you.

What he can do though, is that in the future whenever a Spurs player or coach breaks a rule, he'll punish them heavier than he normally would. Thankfully he'll be gone from the league in 2 years. Adam Silver sounds like a much more reasonable guy.

I guarantee you if stern does fine the spurs and or pop it will go unchallenged or upheld in court.

Different situations doesn't mean much. To read any court cases and your discover that quickly.

I have the same position as scooter and SP. want to bench healthy stars? Give a refund.

 

[SoulPlaya]

But it was a good game.

and they get to wtch LeBron fucking James, DWade, and.....Bosh on a daily basis.

If the Spurs got manhandled, they would put on a show and the home crowd would be hype.

Now if there are some Spurs fans in Miami, yeah they might be a bit sad, but they don't deserve shit.

Wizard fans a'int getting money back. Sixers fans a'int getting money back for every Bynum-less game. People dont get money back when a player gets sick at the last moment.

Stern can go choke on a fat one.

Bynum is injured. People understand injuries, because they know a player cannot play. John Wall is injured, and fans understand that he cannot play. These guys could have played. Why don't Spurs fans in Miami deserve anything? The league makes its money from fans in small markets getting to watch the big names play when they come to town. This is a business. This is entertainment just like anything else. If you went to see a band perform, but the lead singer wasn't there because he was "tired", so they got a back up, you would rightfully be pissed. Even if they were singing the same song. This game is a live event, and you come to see the "stars" perform. Once again, I'm not saying Pop shouldn't be allowed to do this, but as a consumer, you should stand up for the ability to get a refund, in these situations.

People need to get their hatred of Stern, and their fan loyalties out of this. Any other league would have done the same thing. Shit, I can't imagine what the NFL would do if this happened on MNF in the middle of the season, lol.

 

[Black Mamba]

Stern fined the lakers for benching magic and worthy in the 1990 finale game of the season.

This has happened before. Seems like it's hard to make that argument in court linsivvi when it's bappened at least twice before from what I've found (80's too).

 

[Knux-Future]

Then I want a refund for that Eddie Jordan year.

Hey DY, go ask Jordan for any money you put down on the team last year bro.

like c'mon.

I expected RealGM to be up in arms about this but here?

I don't see why this is even a thing. We talking about refunds?

Especially for a team that has the best player in the world?

It's not like Pops just threw the game, he rested his older players at the end of a 6 games in 10 nights run. I thought this was obvious.

Hes done it forever.

geez..I'm way too pumped about this...but it;s sooo dumb.

 

[Canuck76]

Stern going after Pop is ridiculous. Fans bought tickets to a Heats-Spurs game and saw it. It was even competitive. Pop is playing to win. Stern should be going after teams that aren't.

I agree. I was stunned even seeing this in a little blurb at the bottom of espn. I even asked my brother like "did that just say stern is going after pop for not playing people? what?"

Hasn't he done this before? Multiple times? Teams should be able to do whatever the hell they want in terms of line ups and minute management. And i agree with the comment above. Your going after this? When full on tanks were happening in places last year? Say what you want about line ups, pop wants to win this game.

If anything he's preserving these guys for another playoff run, that will produce *gasp* quality basketball! A bit of warning would be nice but stern can privately request that. If your buying tickets there's the promise of a game between the two teams. No guarantees beyond that unfortunately.

And also look at the NFL. Are people pissed in week 16 that the patriots sit brady and all the first stringers? I mean come the hell on.

 

[SoulPlaya]

I agree. I was stunned even seeing this in a little blurb at the bottom of espn. I even asked my brother like "did that just say stern is going after pop for not playing people? what?"

Hasn't he done this before? Multiple times? Teams should be able to do whatever the hell they want in terms of line ups and minute management. And i agree with the comment above. Your going after this? When full on tanks were happening in places last year? Say what you want about line ups, pop wants to win this game.

If anything he's preserving these guys for another playoff run, that will produce *gasp* quality basketball! A bit of warning would be nice but stern can privately request that. If your buying tickets there's the promise of a game between the two teams. No guarantees beyond that unfortunately.

And also look at the NFL. Are people pissed in week 16 that the patriots sit brady and all the first stringers? I mean come the hell on.

Week 16 when the season is over is far different than the middle of the season. If the Patriots were to rest Brady cause he's "tired" this upcoming week, then the NFL would come down hard on the team, especially if it's a national TV game. There's a precedent for late season rests, so fans feel that they have a "warning". Random resting of all your big stars when they're healthy in the middle of the season isn't.

 

[Knux-Future]

Stern fined the lakers for benching magic and worthy in the 1990 finale game of the season.

This has happened before. Seems like it's hard to make that argument in court linsivvi when it's bappened at least twice before from what I've found (80's too).

It was stupid then too. You are basically taking away one of the abilities of the coach. That's stupid as fuck.

If that's the case then Stern should have stopped, Doug or Larry from benching a promising rookie because fans come to see them too. Or whenever a coach benches a guy for "undisclosed reasons".

Bynum is injured. People understand injuries, because they know a player cannot play. John Wall is injured, and fans understand that he cannot play. These guys could have played. Why don't Spurs fans in Miami deserve anything? The league makes its money from fans in small markets getting to watch the big names play when they come to town. This is a business. This is entertainment just like anything else. If you went to see a band perform, but the lead singer wasn't there because he was "tired", so they got a back up, you would rightfully be pissed. Even if they were singing the same song. This game is a live event, and you come to see the "stars" perform. Once again, I'm not saying Pop shouldn't be allowed to do this, but as a consumer, you should stand up for the ability to get a refund, in these situations.

People need to get their hatred of Stern, and their fan loyalties out of this. Any other league would have done the same thing. Shit, I can't imagine what the NFL would do if this happened on MNF in the middle of the season, lol.

Sure John Wall is hurt but the palys is awful. Should they get a refund too?

I'm just saying it's a slippery slop if you start handing out refunds for poor performances. Especially one that wasn't that bad.

Duncan, Ginobli, and to an extent Parker are old as fuck with a lot of wear on their tires. Just because Kobe doesn't give a fuck doesn't mean older players don't need rest. Doug gave Iggy a ton of rest last year, Brand too. It happens and they were coming off of a long ass stretch. If fans are smart enough to understand injuries (which isn't true since people still get mad at injured players like dopes), then they should understand rest too.

 

[Black Mamba]

Danny green is so old. So tired.

 

[reilo]

If the Spurs were to get fined for something it should have been for tanking to get Tim Duncan. Nobody gave a shit back then.