This shit is about making money, not winning basketball games. Hell, the only reason people win basketball games, is so they can get to the playoffs, and make money off of a few more games. Pop is there to make money, and now he's fucking up other people's money. If you told Pop that he could coach anyway he wants to, but it may result in a small paycut, he wouldn't do it anymore. Pissing off fans (even if it's just a few) may mean less money (even if it's just a little less money). This shit is capitalism, and you've got to make as much as you can.And what happens if overwork causing an injury to his aging trio?
Mike Brown damn near tried to kill Pau Gasol last year with his fucking overwork.
I applaud Pop for knowing his guys and looking at the big picture (all while fucking Stern on a nationally televised game)
That's what this shit is about.
If he sat them during that Magic game, not a single fuck would have been given.
If they're healthy, then they should play. You're getting paid millions. If you can't take the grind anymore, then retire. These types of excuses wouldn't fly in a fucking McDonald's.Dunno how the league could make a player play in a game. It's near impossible. Even if they put on a warm up, Stern can't say you have to play to play everyone in a warm up. Rose sat on the bench with warm ups on but had a torn ACL.
Steve Trash and Grant Hill missed a lot of games last season to get rest. They weren't hurt.
This shit is about making money, not winning basketball games. Hell, the only reason people win basketball games, is so they can get to the playoffs, and make money off of a few more games. Pop is there to make money, and now he's fucking up other people's money. If you told Pop that he could coach anyway he wants to, but it may result in a small paycut, he wouldn't do it anymore. Pissing off fans (even if it's just a few) may mean less money (even if it's just a little less money). This shit is capitalism, and you've got to make as much as you can.
I don't like it, but it's the truth. It's how these systems work, why these players get paid big money, and why we're even able to watch games on national TV. Back in the old days, when coaches could "coach", games weren't even broadcasted live.
And let me be clear, I think fans should be offered a refund at the door, before the game. If they still choose to sit for the game, then they get no refund.
And what happens if overwork causing an injury to his aging trio?
Mike Brown damn near tried to kill Pau Gasol last year with his fucking overwork.
I applaud Pop for knowing his guys and looking at the big picture (all while fucking Stern on a nationally televised game)
That's what this shit is about.
If he sat them during that Magic game, not a single fuck would have been given.
Fuck that.
So if Pop flew the team out, had the starters on the court for the jump, immediately called timeout and sent them to the showers, is that cool?
I mean, the fans saw them play, right?
This shit isn't about money to a coach like Pop. It's about WINNING. Period.
A thought of anything less is disrespect of him and the game he loves.
If they're healthy, then they should play. Old and tired can kiss an ass. You're getting paid millions. If you can't take the grind anymore, then retire. These types of excuses wouldn't fly in a fucking McDonald's.
Then just take their game check for DNPs, if they don't do so already. Simple.If they're healthy, then they should play. You're getting paid millions. If you can't take the grind anymore, then retire. These types of excuses wouldn't fly in a fucking McDonald's.
This shit is about making money, not winning basketball games. Hell, the only reason people win basketball games, is so they can get to the playoffs, and make money off of a few more games. Pop is there to make money, and now he's fucking up other people's money. If you told Pop that he could coach anyway he wants to, but it may result in a small paycut, he wouldn't do it anymore. Pissing off fans (even if it's just a few) may mean less money (even if it's just a little less money). This shit is capitalism, and you've got to make as much as you can.
I don't like it, but it's the truth. It's how these systems work, why these players get paid big money, and why we're even able to watch games on national TV. Back in the old days, when coaches could "coach", games weren't even broadcasted live. The only way they got games on broadcast TV was by turning them into entertainment.
And let me be clear, I think fans should be offered a refund at the door, before the game. If they still choose to sit for the game, then they get no refund.
You don't think this is about money to Pop? Are you kidding? If Pop's salary got cut to $50K, and he was offered a desk job somewhere else for $70K, he would spit in the face of basketball and be gone.Fuck that.
So if Pop flew the team out, had the starters on the court for the jump, immediately called timeout and sent them to the showers, is that cool?
I mean, the fans saw them play, right?
This shit isn't about money to a coach like Pop. It's about WINNING. Period.
A thought of anything less is disrespect of him and the game he loves.
Pop knew the schedule, he knew how many games in how many nights they had. If he was that concerned, he could have staggered their minutes, or rested one guy one night and another guy the next. Sending his 3 best players home during a national TV game against the defending champs is not just strategic resting. You guys are naive as hell if you believe. that. He was trying to send a message to the league and to Stern. Pop being Pop. And that's fine. My issue is that he dicks over the paying fans by doing it, and I take offense to this notion that fans should just be happy with what they get or don't matter, because they are literally the reason anyone gives a fuck who Pop is or what he does. I don't even care about Stern. To be honest I don't even care what Stern does or doesn't do to the Spurs. My only issue is that Popovich himself couldn't have some consideration for the fans in this scenario. I would hope that he would take a second to think about it from that angle before doing what he did.
You could argue owners resting older stars is them just protecting their investments/business. If Manu/Td go down and force SA out of the playoffs, The Spurs owner missing out on cash, and if no rest was allowed then you could shorten players' career and take food off their plates.
It's almost stern putting his interests above the owners and even players. It's really not his decision to make.
The owners benefit from networks like TNT broadcasting their games. They would whoop the Spurs' owners asses if he fucked that up for them. The playoffs don't mean shit if they're not on major networks being broadcasted for top dollar fees.You could argue owners resting older stars is them just protecting their investments/business. If Manu/Td go down and force SA out of the playoffs, The Spurs owner missing out on cash, and if no rest was allowed then you could shorten players' career and take food off their plates.
It's almost stern putting his interests above the owners and even players. It's really not his decision to make.
Did Inside the NBA have to end on such a depressing note? RIP Kevin McHale's daughter
Stern works FOR the owners. If he fines Pop it will be at the blessing of Pop's own owner. His job is to look out for the best interest of the owners. Having the available star players play sells tickets, which is in the best interest of the players. If people now are hesitant to buy tickets for Spurs road games, this is an issue for Stern and his employers (again, the owners). Pop might not care (though he should) but plenty of people have a reason to.
The owners benefit from networks like TNT broadcasting their games. They would whoop the Spurs' owners asses if he fucked that up for them. The playoffs don't mean shit if they're not on major networks being broadcasted for top dollar fees.
Giving Stern that kind of power is too slippery a slope. TNT will still cover games, fans will still buy tickets, let's not get crazy.
Pop resting his old ass players against an elite team is classic mindfuck Pop. I guarantee the casual fan gives no fucks. This whole thing probably blows over if Stern just kept his yap shut.
I love how people continue to conveniently ignore the fact that this was the second of a Spurs back-to-back, their 10th game in 17 days, and they play the Grizzlies on Saturday.
But yeah, Pop should totally be punished for doing his job.
I love how people continue to conveniently ignore the fact that this was the second of a Spurs back-to-back, their 10th game in 17 days, and they play the Grizzlies on Saturday.
But yeah, Pop should totally be punished for doing his job.
The bottom line is this: what is Pop's job to you, to win or to put out a good entertainment product? I fucking love Pop because he completely eschews all the ESPN/Skip Bayless- ish noise bullshit, and just does what actually matters. Its a regular season game. Its meaningless. Health, rest>>>one win.Why should he keep his mouth shut? You want to talk about setting precedents? You don't think otherwise healthy players not playing when that is what they are getting paid to do is a terrible precedent? Ultimately, yes there is very little that Stern can do. He will probably fine Pop, but if Pop wanted to be a dick he could just have his guys fake injuries in the future. But I have no problem with Stern and the owners calling him out on it and looking out for their product and their consumers because it was a dick move on his part. Like I said, I don't really care about what Stern does or doesn't do, I would only hope that someone in Popovich's position, who is in that position not because of how great of a coach he is, but because people pay money to watch him, would have a little more consideration.
Professional basketball players being "forced" to play basketball. What an injustice.
Pop knew the schedule well before any fans did. He could have done plenty to ease their minutes without outright sitting guys, and I doubt all three of his best players conveniently needed a breather this badly on the exact same night. This was as much about Pop being an ornery old fuck as it was an actual strategic move.
The bottom line is this: what is Pop's job to you, to win or to put out a good entertainment product? I fucking love Pop because he completely eschews all the ESPN/Skip Bayless- ish noise bullshit, and just does what actually matters. Its a regular season game. Its meaningless. Health, rest>>>one win.
Why should he keep his mouth shut? You want to talk about setting precedents? You don't think otherwise healthy players not playing when that is what they are getting paid to do is a terrible precedent? Ultimately, yes there is very little that Stern can do. He will probably fine Pop, but if Pop wanted to be a dick he could just have his guys fake injuries in the future. But I have no problem with Stern and the owners calling him out on it and looking out for their product and their consumers because it was a dick move on his part. Like I said, I don't really care about what Stern does or doesn't do, I would only hope that someone in Popovich's position, who is in that position not because of how great of a coach he is, but because people pay money to watch him, would have a little more
Does any of this apply to what happened here? and I've already said, this isn't a sport anymore, it's entertainment. "Coaches fucking coaching" doesn't apply here anymore, and hasn't in a long time. Pop wants to get paid millions? Then, he's going to have to change some things.
This shit is about making money, not winning basketball games. Hell, the only reason people win basketball games, is so they can get to the playoffs, and make money off of a few more games. Pop is there to make money, and now he's fucking up other people's money. If you told Pop that he could coach anyway he wants to, but it may result in a small paycut, he wouldn't do it anymore. Pissing off fans (even if it's just a few) may mean less money (even if it's just a little less money). This shit is capitalism, and you've got to make as much as you can.
I don't like it, but it's the truth. It's how these systems work, why these players get paid big money, and why we're even able to watch games on national TV. Back in the old days, when coaches could "coach", games weren't even broadcasted live. The only way they got games on broadcast TV was by turning them into entertainment.
And let me be clear, I think fans should be offered a refund at the door, before the game. If they still choose to sit for the game, then they get no refund.
No because by that logic Timmy and Manu should be on the court during 30 point blow outs.
Get paid by whom? The only person Pop has to answer to is the owner.
Did Timmy and Manu contribute to creating that 30 point lead? Fans want to see the best play. That's what they pay money for. That's why NBA tickets are expensive. If you are going to play a D-league line up then charge D-league prices. If the fans see the Spurs with Timmy and Parker and Manu run up a 30 point lead on someone and then rest the last 1/4 of the game, they saw the best. If I, as a fan, paid primetime NBA money for a ticket and found out the 3 best players on one of the team were at home resting "just because", i'd be a little ticked off.
Stern works for his owners. He represents the owners. If he is pissed, that means Pop's boss is pissed.
Get paid by whom? The only person Pop has to answer to is the owner.
Pop is here to attempt to win rings, which in turn makes him money. You're confusing the means and the end.
Doesn't matter who ran up the score, Pop is going to rest the old guys whether they're on fire or ice cold. If you paid to see the Spurs and didn't see the starters at all, that sucks. You reasonablly expect them to suit up, but if they don't it's simply tough luck. Same if your team loses, a player gets hurt, ejected or so on.
Bullshit. If the owner didn't give Pop autonomy on a decision like this, he would have told Pop to play those players directly and avoid the media controversy.
Seriously, think about what you just said. You just claimed that the owner is pissed about sitting out Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili versus the Heat on a TNT game and his only course of action is to have Stern take this head on? The owner that cuts his checks and ultimately decides if he is a coach for the Spurs?
Come the fuck on. Think about what you write.
Stern works for his owners. He represents the owners. If he is pissed, that means Pop's boss is pissed.
Think about what I said? What I said is LITERALLY true. Stern represents the owners. His salary is paid by them. He is elected by them. He works for them. His job is to act in their, and ONLY their, best interest. If the Spurs owner, or any other owner, didn't want him to speak out against Pop they would have asked him to STFU by now as THEY PAY HIS SALARY.
Think about what I said? What I said is LITERALLY true. Stern represents the owners. His salary is paid by them. He is elected by them. He works for them. His job is to act in their, and ONLY their, best interest. If the Spurs owner, or any other owner, didn't want him to speak out against Pop they would have asked him to STFU by now as THEY PAY HIS SALARY.
What? If Pop's boss is pissed, he can fire Pop.
In fact, Stern is threatening to discipline Pop's boss.
"This was an unacceptable decision by the San Antonio Spurs and substantial sanctions will be forthcoming."
You've got the facts wrong.
That must be why Cuban was fined half a million dollar because OMG Stern works for him.
Ninja, but where is this outrage coming from?
The slippery slope? Pops been doing this for years, and hes the only one- no one else is. I mean, the Heat could rotate out their big 3 for the whole season and be fine going into the playoffs as an 8 seed.
The fans? It was a Heat home game, and it was close. Heat fans got to see their team.
TV? It was a realllly close game, with a great ending.
Why are you upset?
But it's not the same as a player getting hurt or ejected, because those are out of the coach's control. What Pop did was completely under his control. The idea of "tough luck" for the fans, the people that make this sport go, is what I find detestable. Oh too bad Timmy gets paid to play 82 games and is perfectly healthy and in game shape but he's at home playing AD&D sorry you paid $200 for this ticket bro!
This is one of the most idiotic fucking thing I have ever seen argued. If the OWNER OF THE SPURS wanted THE COACH OF THE SPURS to play THE STAR PLAYERS OF THE SPURS, he would tell THE COACH OF THE SPURS directly.
No, no. Instead THE OWNER OF THE SPURS will go tell the COMMISSIONER OF THE NBA how to handle THE STAFF OF THE SPURS.
I can't believe you are arguing this.
You seem to not have an understanding of what the Commissioner's job is. Yes, he does work for the owners.
Correctamundo.
Are we really acting like this is so out of the blue and crazy? Pop does this a couple times a year, but if you're even against resting prior to the playoffs then I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this.
ALL of the owners. I would buy the argument that the OTHER NBA owners are upset -- not the Spurs' owner. Ridiculous.
Yo reilo, I'm thinking of coming down to Port-town after New Year's some time.
When do the Blazers play the Knicks?
Would you be down to go?
Are we really acting like this is so out of the blue and crazy? Pop does this a couple times a year, but if you're even against resting prior to the playoffs then I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this.
They don't play the Knicks until March in Portland. Portland is on a 4-gamer out of town around New Years until January 7th.
Oooo...I want those tix.
Are Knicks tickets a high commodity Portland?
Should I buy them way in advance?
Depends if the Knicks gonna Knicks. I'd wager no at this point. I would think they're fucking expensive though.
<checks StubHub>
Damn. Section 101 for $200, 3 rows back?
I love Portland pricing!
I'd get laughed outta Staples expecting prices like that there!
... seriously? I think that's way too much money for a game anywhere, especially Portland.
Dude, $200 tickets @ Staples, for some games (especially a Knicks game) would be in the 300s upper deck.
Easy.
Dude, $200 tickets @ Staples, for some games (especially a Knicks game) would be in the 300s upper deck.
Easy.
I'm not against it in that I think teams should fined or that the league should try and legislate it. That would be stupid and impossible to enforce. I dislike it from a fan's perspective.