ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Oh, your hopium is just so innocent. Sorry pal, Heat putting up that 2013 banner in the rafters next year. They'll finally have a legit chip.
2012-13 Oct/Nov NBA Season |OT| Mavericks Attempt To Defend Title
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Oh, your hopium is just so innocent. Sorry pal, Heat putting up that 2013 banner in the rafters next year. They'll finally have a legit chip.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Still a long time from now until the finals but I honestly don't see anybody beating the Heat barring injuries. Celtics fucking blew it by wasting all that money on Jeff Green. Theres like nobody else in the east who had a chance anyway. Maybe the Nets and Knicks are better than I expect but yeah probably not.
theignoramus
Member
what an asshole.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
4 time executive of the year!!!
Also you can just throw up Derozan onto that list right now.
If the Lakers can't get it together, then this might be the easiest road to a repeat ever. How someone can compare LeBron to MJ after this, I don't know.
Syphon Filter
Member
he did make a difference.winning record since he got here even if it isnt anything special.meanwhile Amare Howard and Nash arent making a difference in LA.
iamshadowlark
Banned
When has MJ faced as much star power as this in the finals? Excluding LA of course.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
It's been two regular season games... you have had a year and half to see Melo not benefiting your team in the least. I mean you guys did get to the second roun... oh, wait, you didn't... lol...
Star power? lol...
MJ faced Magic
MJ faced Clyde
MJ faced a prime Barkley
MJ faced a crazy Kemp/Payton
MJ faced Karl/Stock two times
LeBron faced Okc lol
Thunder should have packaged Ibaka for a 1st round pick and some back PF... while its true that big men are generally harder to come by, a ridiculously efficient SG willing to come of the bench is 100 times harder.
And Ibaka is soo overrated... but GMs would love him due to his athletic ability and "defence" (read: shot blocking ability). He's really not going to be much better than now, I can't see him developing an above average offensive game and he absolutely is not worth that contract. Seeing that the league is heading towards becoming smaller they could have just as easily traded him for a 3/4 tweener.
And Ibaka is soo overrated... but GMs would love him due to his athletic ability and "defence" (read: shot blocking ability). He's really not going to be much better than now, I can't see him developing an above average offensive game and he absolutely is not worth that contract. Seeing that the league is heading towards becoming smaller they could have just as easily traded him for a 3/4 tweener.
What teams, if LA can't get it together, could even begin to challenge a Heat path to the finals? Who? A Celtics team that was too old two years ago? A Bulls team without Rose? A far too young Sixers team? An overrated Pacers team?
In the west? The Spurs were finished a while ago. The Thunder have terrible coaching. Besides the Lakers, no other team.
Never did the Bulls have such an easy road. Never.
Traded for T.J. Ford.
Traded a first round pick for James Johnson.
Traded Roy Hibbert (and garbage) for Jermaine O'Neal and Nathan Jawai.
Drafts include Bargs, DeRozan, Ed Davis and a bad habit of trading himself out of draft picks.
Has 0 success with any second round pick selections.
His one defensible move to this point has been picking up Lowry. And it's a bit early to call that one a success.
Jake Tower
Banned
Not to mention who MJ faced in the EC playoffs to get there...
the Knicks were 28-26 before they traded for Melo, a higher winning percentage than they finished that season with.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Exactly. Bad Boys, Celtics. LeBron hasn't faced SHIT compared to what MJ faced his entire career. LeBron faced a Mavericks team (no offense Bran) that wouldn't have made it INTO the finals in the 80s/90s. LeBron has never nor will he ever face teams like MJ did.
We getting Shabaz. Shabaz, D12, Little Kyrie, LeBron, and Eddie Curry.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Okay, maybe you want to answer the actual question this time?
When has MJ ever had to face:
The general consensus best SG in the league
The best center
An arguable best PG
And a Top 5 PF
All on the same team in the finals?
except thats not the question.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
... wait, are we talking about the Lakers? The Thunder? Who?
Because neither of those teams fit that description...
Edit: If you're talking about the Lakers then LOL! This Lakers squad wouldn't have won a chip in the 80s, 90s, nor would they have won against the Shaq Lakers NOR against the 2009-2010 Lakers. You cray
Yes, it is.
I said "road to a repeat", which mainly means having to go through the East to a Finals appearance. If the Lakers can't get it together for a Finals appearance, this is an absurdly easy repeat for the Heat.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Oh ok now they don't, Im pretty fucking sure this was so this summer lol. I see ya Cloving Romney...
Why are you bringing the past into this? We are talking right now?
Drafting Val looks like a good move too... high risk high reward type of pick IMO.
The biggest problem I have with him is he can't just accept that some of his moves flat out sucks. Its weird because clearly he is a capable GM who was able to get rid of Turkoglu very quickly without giving up too much but the problem is the fact that he signed him in the first place. But his main issue boils down to Bargnani...who isn't a terrible player but he is always marketed as the center piece of the franchisee when he clearly isn't. I feel like he makes a lot of his moves for the sake of Bargnani - firing coaches who are tough on him, passing up on bigs with potential who could replace him, looking for SF who can make up for his rebounding deficiencies. This just creates a bad culture where you keep trying to make life easier for a player who clearly doesn't deserve it.
He also outbids himself when signing FAs... nobody would have offered those contracts to Derozan, Calderon, Bargnani and Amir. So what happens when its time to extend a player who is actually above average to good like Lowry? Are you going to give him max?
WHAT?! We're comparing both.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Lark, show me where I said that this Lakers squad would win a chip this year or that they were as good/better than previous Lakers championship teams. Do it. I'll be waiting.
iamshadowlark
Banned
That wasn't the topic that I brought up, and the point is, IF THE LAKERS DON'T MAKE IT TO THE FINALS.
Future PhaZe
Member
Bron is fighting for second best even if he wins 6 rings...and fuck, he doesn't even have 1 real one yet.
This argument is worthless.
This argument is worthless.
Bargnani draft year was a shit year to have the number one overall pick anyway, but it doesn't excuse all this drafts and signings after.
Too early to know if V will be worth that pick and how the picks after him will pan out of course. I like the idea of having a defensive minded 7 footer in the middle, but there are plenty of tall guys that never pan out. At least it seems like he enjoys basketball.
His signings are hilariously bad and he has a smug attitude whenever I hear him speak. He really does believe he's the best GM out there and is infallible. Franchise will keep him though because he always seems to talk his way out of his own mess whenever he's on the hot seat. Third rebuilding phase in 6 years. Awwyeah.
Raptors and Warriors fans always seem be into it, even with their miserable franchises. Probably going to be the 'most passionate' opening night though.
iamshadowlark
Banned
When I said excluding LA, I meant the 91 Lakers.
All I wanted was for mama to bite.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Lmao. No "real one"? I don't even think skip Bayless holds the lockout against bron. The notion if a fake ring in this case is hilarious
back to the nfl thread with you im still saltyabout sunday
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
He meant this Lakers team lol which is even more laughable.
Syphon Filter
Member
huh?if i recall it was the exact same winning percentage at the end of the season.
LegendofJoe
Member
I still think OKC makes it back to the finals for a rematch.
Westbrook/Maynor
Sefolosha/Kmart/Lamb
Durant/Liggins
Ibaka/Jones
Perkins/Collison/Thabeet
That's still a deep, talented roster. They match up well against the Lakers and the Clippers. I think the Grizzlies could give them trouble though if ZBo can ever get back to form.
Westbrook/Maynor
Sefolosha/Kmart/Lamb
Durant/Liggins
Ibaka/Jones
Perkins/Collison/Thabeet
That's still a deep, talented roster. They match up well against the Lakers and the Clippers. I think the Grizzlies could give them trouble though if ZBo can ever get back to form.
Syphon Filter
Member
grizzles got exposed by the clips.
Future PhaZe
Member
it's a lockout year ring bruh
deal with that shit
It only matters in the scope of GOAT discussions. Even as a redskins fan I say ehhhh at our lockout earned ring.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Well yeah I was reading this book called "Hypotheticals: How do they Work". I'll email you it if you want?
LegendofJoe
Member
Not really, that was the most competitive series in the first round of the playoffs. Zbo played like shit too. He still looked bad against them last night though so as long as that holds I agree that the Clips are the better team.
Yup he brings in fresh faces every single year in order to make it appear as if the franchice has some sort of hope... he really is in the business of making an extremely average team - absolutely no aspiration for a deep play off run or a championship contending team. MLSE only worries about the bottom line and Colangelo is just the man for the job.
And I didn't really like the Bargnani pick from the get go... you are talking about a guy who is 7' and that you are projecting to play center (remember we had Chris Bosh at the time...) but in actuality plays more like a SG. You feed us this garbage about Caliper tests and maximum potential when in reality the guy has a shit work ethic and undesirable skills for a center.
That off season was a major turning point for the franchise... we had an all-star PF in Chris Bosh who is actually pretty great despite all the criticism and his strange behaviour... a number 1 pick and a ton of salary space. We should have taken a guy who might actually be capable of playing C...like maybe Aldridge? Or how about guys like Roy or Gay who could have filled a major hole in our roster? I know...hindsight blah blah blah but these issues were clear even at the time. Picking Bargnani was a huge mistake as it indicated that we are not serious about winning now but rather the future and I think that kind of set the motion for Bosh's departure.
And how he used the cap space was very mediocre as well... Anthony Parker was a decent pick up but definitely not a game changer. Same goes for the other guy from Spain we got. And signing Kapono to an outrageous contract was stupid... I still remember he got that deal done the minute free agency started so clearly in his mind he had to think that it was a great move... lol.
LMAO give me a fucking break
they had no money to spend regardless of jeff green's contract, they HAD to sign him. it was obviously an overpay, but what is the other option? they were over the cap with the bird rights of a young athletic wing who can still live up to his potential. you think they shouldn't have resigned him?
also, the fact that they went out and picked up courtney lee while having no money was masterful by ainge.
Relio would probably like it.
That chapter about the Heat hypothetically winning more than one ring is pretty long though
Here's a hypothetical for you: how's my ass taste?
iamshadowlark
Banned
Well yeah, you obviously believe in that non-sense so its not surprising. Still don't see your point.
When one of Lebrons most vocal public critics don't seem to hang their head on "fake rings" vs "real rings" or something, I find it puzzling that Im supposed to "just deal with " the words of someone who can be seen saying "fuck the heat" not a page away. Sorry.
I like when people post correct opinions.
Wish our coaching was better though. And don't forget about the Spurs. That's still the main team I'm worried about.
Does anyone else think that even after the Lakers "figure it out" that the Spurs would be favored in an LA-SA series?
The time for defending BC's moves has long past. He's an atrocious and overrated GM who has hamstrung this franchise with indefensible contracts and unwillingness to admit mistakes and move on when there's still some appreciable value to be had.
Paying what we are to the likes of Kleiza/Fields/Calderon (and now DeMar) could gone towards at least one genuinely capable 3, which has been a gigantic hole on this team since probably Garbo, which was six/seven years ago now. Instead of making a shrewd trade for a Dorrell Wright, or any 3 that can capably stretch the floor/hit a 3, he made a stupid signing in Fields in order to secure Nash away from the Knicks (which backfired) and signed DeMar for pure marketing purposes, to secure a 'face' for this flailing franchise.
He needs to go.
Paying what we are to the likes of Kleiza/Fields/Calderon (and now DeMar) could gone towards at least one genuinely capable 3, which has been a gigantic hole on this team since probably Garbo, which was six/seven years ago now. Instead of making a shrewd trade for a Dorrell Wright, or any 3 that can capably stretch the floor/hit a 3, he made a stupid signing in Fields in order to secure Nash away from the Knicks (which backfired) and signed DeMar for pure marketing purposes, to secure a 'face' for this flailing franchise.
He needs to go.