Justin Timberlake
Member
You might wanna google that draft braaaaah
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
2012 NBA Apr |OT| Presented By Unicef and Feed The Children, Fuk Yo Hunger Clown.
- Thread starter reilo
- Start date
You might wanna google that draft braaaaah
Prototype-03
Member
Lakers were also up 3-1 against the Suns. Never forget. Many tears were shed that year.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Spurs FO am genius underdogs, Lakers am barely competent spoiled child.
Get with the program.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Players taken before Kobe:
Allen Iverson, Steph "The original YNB" Marbury, Ray Allen, Antoine "Da Shimmy" Walker
After: Peja Stojakovic, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Illgauskas, Derek Fisher
"Most experts rate it along with the 1984 NBA Draft and 2003 NBA Draft as one of the best drafts in history. Sports Illustrated named it the second-best, behind the 1984 draft, whose highlights included Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, and John Stockton"
Sho_Nuff82
Member
10 All-Stars in the first round...
Knux-Future
Banned
Allen Iverson (MVP, Scoring titles, practice, and the last relevant Sixer player)
Marcus Camby (DPOY awards out the ass)
Ray Allen( all time 3pt shooter, champion, top 20 scorer(???))
Steve Nash (2 time MVP, top 20 assist guy)
Kobe Bryant( Bunch of stuff)
Then you obviously have the second tier of dudes like
Starbury, Shimmy Walker, SAR, Peja, Jermiane, Big Z.
Then you have guys who had solid careers like
D-Fish, Kerry Kittles, Dampier.
Top 10 draft IMO.
You got like 4 HOF's in that draft.
Regardless, when a guy like Kobe falls to 13 that's not rigged that is luck. You can;t bitch about luck...
It is tricky like that.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Like I said; terrible poster, terrible fan, terrible human.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Knicks have had the same advantages for the last 20 years and where has it gotten them?
When Jerry West dismantled a playoff team to clear room for Shaq and trade for an unknown HS kid people thought he was crazy at the time. It was a huge risk, the Lakers FO and GM had the foresight and the balls that a lot of teams don't. The Lakers don't have 15 win seasons so we don't have the luxury of tanking and getting the first overall pick all that often. Teams that have only missed the playoffs 5 times EVER need to use Free Agency and trades to build.
Syphon Filter
Member
Lin for lil kyrie. lets do it.
ryutaro's mama
Member
How do you get "absurdly lucky" without your tank? smh
Sure.
That Boston would have taken the Wake Forest standout had the 5pur5 not tanked the previous season to get themselves into the running for him.
The draft (not by tanking, btw)
FA
FA
See above.
Of course you are. You have no leg to stand on.
Which is precisely why you're on an island alone, "defending" this.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
smoking gun you dont know shit
ratcliffja
Member
Memphis sure has been struggling against a lot of sub 500 teams lately. They'll probably still win out, but they won't look pretty doing it.
GremlinFool
Member
Memphis in 4 against the Clippers.
Black Mamba
Member
lol @ TCB using Kobe as an example.
Because everyone knew Kobe would be an all-star coming out of high school, right?
A lot of teams would have given up Vlade for that pick at the time? LOL
Here's why TCB is really mad. Lakers front office > Spurs front office.
Because everyone knew Kobe would be an all-star coming out of high school, right?
A lot of teams would have given up Vlade for that pick at the time? LOL
Here's why TCB is really mad. Lakers front office > Spurs front office.
Just because you have an advantage doesn't mean you take advantage of it.
The knicks FO has been terrible, versus the Lakers that has been good.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Come on now. Why are people replying to Justin.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
It could be argued that if LA wasn't a big market that The Lakers wouldn't be as good as they have been, but they would still have been better off than most teams due to great ownership, management and staff.
Just like those who are born faster, taller or stronger than the average person gets a shot at becoming an athlete. There's still tall, strong and fast dudes working toll booths.
Spurs being on the losing end of the LAL-SAS rivalry has eaten TCB's brain like syphilis.
ryutaro's mama
Member
*Offer not valid on seasons 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07
Why do you guys feed the troll that makes fun of children with cancer, literally ignores his team getting destroyed in the playoffs TWO years in a row, and is even a refugee to other 5pur5 members ignore?
The faster you figure out JT/TCB is a joke character the better you are.
The faster you figure out JT/TCB is a joke character the better you are.
Yo what show is this from guys?
Throw in Melo and I'll get our FO to consider it.
Black Mamba
Member
You are aware that Kobe was about as far away as a sure thing at the time as could be, right?
Knux-Future
Banned
DAT FIRST WINNING SEASON IN 7 YEARS. POP BOTTLES
"forced him" to the lakers? That's like saying forced to win the lottery.
ryutaro's mama
Member
I love how people keep pretending like Kobe was a #1 overall pick that fell all the way to #13 so the Lakers could get him.
No one (except Jerry West and Kobe) foresaw this for Kobe, otherwise someone would have taken him earlier, regardless of Kobe's preference to come ot LA.
Syphon Filter
Member
no more games for sixers?DAT FIRST WINNING SEASON IN 7 YEARS. POP BOTTLES
Black Mamba
Member
Not only that, but the Lakers gave up Vlade for him. Who else had the balls to make that trade at that time besides West?
Pop ain't got balls that big.
Knux-Future
Banned
A'INT NO NEED TO PLAY NO MO GAMES.
due to us getting swept in the playoffs...serious answer tho we got two more regular season games but still
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Spartacus: Vengeance.
It's a pretty god damn Fuck-Awesome show. Check it out some time.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Kwame, KG, Kemp, STAT and Dwight all had more hype coming outta HS than Kobe.
Yeah, a 17 year old Kobe Bryant was telling the league how things were gonna be.
Shit is comedy.
Except no one said that. Nice strawman, though. At least two teams would have taken Kobe had it not been for West and co. forcing him to their desired destination.
Black Mamba
Member
You forgot Bron!
Luke hitting a 3! Cavs winning puts Memphis at 5 seed. Maybe let's Clips relax next game or 2 so Lakers can too. Come on Cavs!
None of which guaranteed the Lakers anything. Kobe could have busted.
TCB is acting like he was a sure thing at the time. That's the problem.
Luke hitting a 3! Cavs winning puts Memphis at 5 seed. Maybe let's Clips relax next game or 2 so Lakers can too. Come on Cavs!
None of which guaranteed the Lakers anything. Kobe could have busted.
TCB is acting like he was a sure thing at the time. That's the problem.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
He still forced himself to LA.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Yes, the other 2 teams had fucking guns to their heads.
THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LET HIM SLIDE IN THE DRAFT!
Mafia Don Jerry West would have had them wacked!!!
Kobe Bryant: 17 year old shot caller
THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LET HIM SLIDE IN THE DRAFT!
Mafia Don Jerry West would have had them wacked!!!
Kobe Bryant: 17 year old shot caller
Black Mamba
Member
The other teams could have taken him and called his bluff.
Which it was.
But I won't deny Kobe wanted to be in LA and did his best to get there. Still doesn't change that the Lakers didn't simply buy their way to a HOF player in the draft. He wasn't a consensus #1 or anything close. And most people saw him as a risk.
And none of those teams would have traded Vlade for him. None.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Kobe wasn't even seen as a good ball player for a bit. Even portions of LA fans were split on him for a good while
Justin Timberlake
Member
Pffft facts
who needs facts
Shaq and Kareem were free agents
If the small markets had positioned themselves as beautifully as the Lakers, they'd have gotten them
And Kobe? Magic?
Draft picks. Can't complain about draft picks.
(the funny thing is these guys know exactly what I'm talking about, and shit they even agree with me. But guys like mama are fronting and trying to conceal the truth. Now that you are bringing up the actual circumstances behind Kobe's draft, they are talking about it. lol)
What's with you and getting into arguments out of your depth? Duki was right; you're like the poster boy of bad debate - a bunch of deflecting and poorly thought out strawmen. Just let the grownups talk.
Kobe wasn't calling all the shots. Jerry West and Kobe's agent, Arn Tellem, were two of the powerful men in the business.
What does forced himself to LA mean?
MorisUkunRasik
Member
And how did they convince 12 other teams not to pick an unproven 17 year old High School kid asshole?
Knux-Future
Banned
I may be mistaken but doesn't that kinda go on in every draft(in every sport)?
That really dismisses the fact that Kobe outright refused to go to any other team than the Lakers. Every scout that worked that draft said that he was a top 5 guy.
Just so you guys stop beating this dead horse: It doesn't matter if Kobe was unproven. Hell, every draft pick is unproven. TCB's point is that Kobe coming to the Lakers wasn't due to luck or the skill of the Lakers management.
And West and Tellem didn't have to convince 12 teams; they only had to convince one to prove TCB right.
By being an asshole. Kobe isn't the first guy to say that he wouldn't play for certain teams and he certainly isn't the only rookie to pick his destination either.
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked