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2012 NBA Finals |OT| Good Job, Good Effort
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CrazyDogg77
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I literally prayed for an OKC win today. I don't want basketball to end.
Mr. Luchador
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I thought so. I mean I watch it in the mornings over here in the UK on ESPN America, so mind isn't really awake. There's some decent questions on it, but its just so odd... then again its not as if SportsNation is the bastion of sanity.
Will have to add the podcast to my list. Thanks for that.
U ever listen to his radio show/his podcast? It's amazing. I listen every day.
some people, sure, but even ESPN has been more nuanced in that. SportsCenter will have 30 second clips where they make a surface level comparison like in that graphic, but go deeper and you'll still have even have milquetoast, but popular with someone, Mike & Mike in the Morning making the point today that Lebron will never match Jordan or Kobe's title numbers in part because they doubt his body can hold on as long. He may be close in age to MJ when he won his first, but his body has been put through tougher battles and he grinds it out more because he is asked to play so many positions. LBJ just 'feels' old for his age.
otherwise, based on his numbers and combination of talent and size, he deserves mention as one of the games greats already. that's not dick-sucking. i don't think that's disputable to anyone but Puddles and Vaughn.
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oh, and i have an irrational love for Le Batard's ESPN2 show. the quick edits, clear-headed talk and the way his dad goes on crazy rants makes the ride home from work so much more enjoyable (i usually only catch the podcasts since i'm in the office). he's also a damn fine writer.
Red Blaster
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Dan Gilbert only has a couple hours left to win that title or else he'll be forever typecast as a liar
Grover Cleveland
Member
We still have:
FIBA Qualifying
*snooze*
the Olympics
*chuckles*
the Draft
FUCK YOU STERN AND YOUR CRONIES, FUCK JEFFREY, AND FUCK HARRISON BARNES
Byakuya769
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Why? I would think the maturation of the player is most important, age would capture that better than years in the league. I guess I can see it from the other side, but not the "what the fuck is wrong with espn!?!" degree you're taking on it.
Mr. Luchador
Member
You don't want Barnes? I thought Cavs needed a SG? :\
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I hope the Thunder win tonight otherwise poor Harden is going to get a very angry letter written in comic sans.
CrazyDogg77
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Don't even bring up Barnes.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The only thing I care about is the Olympics and that is in another 2 months or something so still a lot of dead time. Euro 2012 ends in 2 weeks so we are screwed. Maybe if I drank I could watch Baseball.
CoffeeJanitor
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.....
but there is a difference in the type of minutes MJ played in college versus those minutes that LBJ instead played in the NBA. even with the advances sports medicine has made with regard to training and recovery, who's to say how much longer LBJ's body can hold up to playing all these minutes and all the positions that Spo needs him to play.
maybe it's the HGH and the receeding hairline, but he feels old for his age. or maybe i'm just buying into a really bad narrative.
Byakuya769
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Definitely true on the minutes and the stage, but I would think playing in college also gives you closer guidance in becoming a man before the cash and the fame. Gloria James blew up any of that from the get go, meanwhile, Jordan was playing under Dean Smith.
His issues haven't had anything to do with skill or ability, primarily its been mental toughness. I just think going straight to the NBA as a phenom is the weaker track for that than character building college experiences.
CoffeeJanitor
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Do people actually think LeBron uses/used HGH
Can't tell if its sarcasm or not
Can't tell if its sarcasm or not
CrazyDogg77
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Do you think there will be meltdowns if OKC wins tonight?
better role players like eddy curry and norris cole?
Yeah those players that depend on athleticism really have a good history of being great into their later years.
MorisUkunRasik
Member
That's far from a given especially with the new CBA.
edit: wait, you didn't mean Norris and Dexter will improve and become better than current Battier/Chalmers or Joel/Turiaf, right?
CrazyDogg77
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Who needs defense from them when you have LBJ the greatest defender in the world.
Nervous? yes. meltdown? save that for next tuesday
Every elite player depends on their athleticism and with modern medicine they experience a very gradual decline barring major injuries
CrazyDogg77
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Wade looks like he'll be out before they could get to 4.
no, every elite player depends on their skill first then their athleticism.
Lebron is backwards.
Byakuya769
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After last year, every Miami fan (well.. save a few) probably still has that pit in their stomach due to the burden of thinking an epic collapse could happen. So, definitely don't expect meltdowns out of us if they lose tonight. I would more expect meltdowns if they win the series tonight.
You got crampgate, Crawford, Bosh likely crying after the win, and probably some immediate stage production that will happen as soon as the horn sounds. All things that are just ripe to cause extreme anger in the anti-heat fandom.
Thunder fans will shrug, hurt a little, and then realize that they'll be back.
You got crampgate, Crawford, Bosh likely crying after the win, and probably some immediate stage production that will happen as soon as the horn sounds. All things that are just ripe to cause extreme anger in the anti-heat fandom.
Thunder fans will shrug, hurt a little, and then realize that they'll be back.
No I mean theyll be able to sign better players eventually and Spo/a real coach would limit LeBrons minutes during the regular season
mysticwhip
Banned
will i be able to use this gif i made, tonight?
MorisUkunRasik
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Like I said, they'll have to settle for past their prime role players, they don't have the cap to sign good FAs outright. They'd have to trade Bosh/Wade for pieces.
Thats just not true. Even ignoring big men, guards like Kobe and Jordan are incredibly gifted genetically which allowed them to do things like back people up and shoot fadeaways
Edit: I mean you saw what Kobe is like this year, he has to take more and more difficult shots because he cant get by players or to his spots easier and he cant play real defense evey posession
they don't test for it yet, and in the absence i expect a fair # of athletes in the NBA are taking a litany of substances to quicken healing, blunt pain or maintain/gain muscles. with how it's gone down in biking, the MLB and NFL, it's not a reach to think that athletes will have some interests in drugs that would give them a competitive advantage with the absence of regulation.
and the way Spo's run Lebron into the ground these playoffs, my friend joked that it probably took a year off his career. he's played a crazy number of minutes with zero complaints.
WesternHeretic
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Assuming the Heat win tonight,which is a big assumption I know, OKC fans, you can put the pitchforks and the torches down
All discussion about who's better: Lebron or Jordan, will be silly.
Lebron's clearly the GOAT.
Heat are totally going to win tonight, but even if LeBron win 5 more titles I still wouldn't put him above Jordan.
It's not just championship or stats that makes me put Jordan over all other players. It's a combination of everything from his championship, awards, stats, style of play in crunch time, attitude, defense, fucking retiring for 2 years coming back and pulling off another three peat.
Add it all up and you kind of realize no one is even close to pulling the shit MJ did, and probably won't be for a very long ass time.
CoffeeJanitor
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CrazyDogg77
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What makes you think the same won't happen to LBJ. And he'll have to develop a much more consistent jumper.
CrazyDogg77
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If that's what it will take this is definitely going to 6.
Cannot wait for tonight's game.
OKC big 3 need to deliver. Harden's been freezing up way to much. And for the love of all that's holy, Durant needs to get touches, especially in the 4th. So many situations where Durant should clearly be shooting the ball and he's no where to be found. Then, someone else throws a shot up there. Please... No threes for Westbrook.
OKC big 3 need to deliver. Harden's been freezing up way to much. And for the love of all that's holy, Durant needs to get touches, especially in the 4th. So many situations where Durant should clearly be shooting the ball and he's no where to be found. Then, someone else throws a shot up there. Please... No threes for Westbrook.
MetalFearSolid
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Wade is gonna show up, I can't see why he won't play with a sense of urgency now that he is 1 game away from becoming a champion again.
but the Heat have played great team defense on Durant the last few games and they're collectively making sure he can't get the ball where he wants it. Westbrook gonna Westbrook.
StickSoldier
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I truly have no idea what's going to happen tonight.
I just don't want this to be the last Thunder game. It's a long wait until October.
I feel like it'll be like the last game of the Mavs series last year. They'll be trying as hard as they can, and while it'll be a close game, they'll find another way to lose.
Grover Cleveland
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If that's Wade's new approach to the NBA: I.E. Not give a fuck for the first six and a half months of the season and then show up for the last game, Lebron's gonna burn out from carrying the team on his back well before he gets eight rings.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ehh, most of the best NBA athletes ever who may not have been unbelievably skilled managed to still play pretty well until like 33 or so.